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[James2912]

We know from ME1s transition to ME2 that you basically start off the same no matter what path you chose in ME1, with the difference being cameos, emails and news reports, none of which is a radical difference all of which is pretty much superficial more or less. Do you think ME3 will be the first of the series that actually is a different game depending on your moral decisions? Will our decisions matter? Will we be shoehorned into to working for one organization no matter what our previous decisions in ME2 and 1?
Consider this but also keep in mind that ME3 has limited disk space. This is not a wishlist thread per se its a realistic look on how Bioware will actually reconcile the choice differences between renegade and paragons and even paragades and renegons. This is not a moral debate about which side is better its a nonbiased look at what ME3 will look like. 

[Xilizhra]

ME3 can have a wider range of endings than ME2, because it ends the series. So the decision might be more than the "not really anything" there was for ME2; probably not much, however. This is why I believe that Cerberus will be an enemy force no matter what your choices were.

[AdmiralCheez]

An hour or two of differentiating dialogue, a bonus sidequest, and slightly different cutscenes for both sides can amount to some pretty big differences, if you think about it.

[James2912]

Also we might have to consider that there will be another ME game and that means the ending can't be too different if all endings are going to be canon. So I think were going to get the ME2 treatment, I hope not, but its likely.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

I wonder how they'll reconcile having ME2 playthroughs where a Shepard lost practically all of their squadmates.



How important will/can those killable characters be in the ME3?

[Aigyl]

I'm guessing a Dragon Age may be pulled where depending on previous major decisions (Council, Rachni, Collector Base, etc.) then the Final Battle may take some very different turns on how the battle progresses, and who exactly comes out of it alive.

There certainly won't be a completely different game depending on Paragon/Renegade, you'll go through the same content and shoot most of the same stuff. I'm hoping that the climax can have very different flavours depending on your previous actions throughout the trilogy however.

[Whatever42]

I think you won't be working for either organization. At the end of ME2, you could have basically let the council die and told TIM to get stuffed. Who would you work for?

Our information source will be Liara, who will be getting us the info for our missions. I suspect we'll have some moments where we can renew our bonds with either the Council or TIM, and that may significantly change the flavour of the game, but at the core will be Shepard, not one faction of the other.

Now the ending will be significantly different. We'll have to choose TIM or the Council, or perhaps one of them will have to choose to come to our aid, depending on our choices.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 08 février 2011 - 01:02 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I think you won't be working for either organization. At the end of ME2, you could have basically let the council die and told TIM to get stuffed. Who would you work for?

Our information source will be Liara, who will be getting us the info for our missions. I suspect we'll have some moments where we can renew our bonds with either the Council or TIM, and that may significantly change the flavour of the game, but at the core will be Shepard, not one faction of the other.

Now the ending will be significantly different. We'll have to choose TIM or the Council, or perhaps one of them will have to choose to come to our aid, depending on our choices.

Meh, what if... you told the council to stuff it as well as Cerberus and you didn't go anywhere near the Crescent Nebula let alone Ilium and thus had nothing to do with Liara in ME2?

Shepard doesn't need Liara to go do stuff. This is Shepard's story, not the 'Shepard and T'Soni' story.

As for future games, simple way around the whole 'difference of ending' is to set the next game so far in the future that what happened at the end of ME3 bares no meaning on it. ME to ME3 is after all like I said in the previous sentence, 'Shepards Story' ME4+ doesn't need to have anything remotely connected to it and easiest way of that is to push the time forwards considerably so the 'effect' bares no difference. Saves Bioware the hassle of making the variables even bigger and they can concentrate on a more 'refined' story to tell.

With regards ME3, technically to some degree it won't be groundbreakingly different but just as there was in ME2, there will most likely be even more obvious signs of difference between something being there or not due to past decisions and this could technically help lead to potentially different endings.

[jbblue05]

I think Liara is still a Cerberus agent and Feron is quite the schemer.



It would be hilarious if some people thought they were rid of Cerberus only to find out their blue friend was working for Cerberus and thus so was Shepard.



It seems like something TIM would do. Make you think your not helping him only to realize that you're doing his bidding

[James2912]

jbblue05 wrote...

I think Liara is still a Cerberus agent and Feron is quite the schemer.

It would be hilarious if some people thought they were rid of Cerberus only to find out their blue friend was working for Cerberus and thus so was Shepard.

It seems like something TIM would do. Make you think your not helping him only to realize that you're doing his bidding

I could see Liara doing that! She has now become a pretty much a renegade character. 

[Xilizhra]

Sort of Paragadish, but she's not even close to Renegade. She's still kind and compassionate, and she's vowed to reform the Shadow Broker's organization into something less unpleasant. She would never betray Shepard for Cerberus.

[jbblue05]

James2912 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

I think Liara is still a Cerberus agent and Feron is quite the schemer.

It would be hilarious if some people thought they were rid of Cerberus only to find out their blue friend was working for Cerberus and thus so was Shepard.

It seems like something TIM would do. Make you think your not helping him only to realize that you're doing his bidding

I could see Liara doing that! She has now become a pretty much a renegade character. 

I think their is more to TIM handing Liara the SB intel, 
TIM didn't need Shepard to take down the SB. Kai Leng would be good enough.  Unlike Shepard Kai Leng is a die-hard loyalist and would've secured the SB base for TIM.

Plus TIM's network dwarfs Liara's network many times over. I don't believe Cerberus was at a dead end and only Liara can find the SB.

Or I could be wrong because Bioware LOVES Liara  

 

[Xilizhra]

Kai Leng would never have been a match for Tela Vasir or the Shadow Broker, not alone. And he didn't have Liara's contacts in any case, which Liara needed even with that lead

[jbblue05]

Xilizhra wrote...

Sort of Paragadish, but she's not even close to Renegade. She's still kind and compassionate, and she's vowed to reform the Shadow Broker's organization into something less unpleasant. She would never betray Shepard for Cerberus.

She willingly gave your body to Cerberus..

As long as Shepard is fighting the Reapers Liara won't have to betray Cerberus.
But if Shepard wants to attack Cerberus. Liara will advise against it and probably send him on dead ends until Shepard loses interest.

It would be a great story arc if Bioware does this

[Xilizhra]

Did you not read the comic? It was with great reluctance that she did it, and she had to be thoroughly persuaded by Miranda to go through with it.

[AdmiralCheez]

Xilizhra wrote...

Sort of Paragadish, but she's not even close to Renegade. She's still kind and compassionate, and she's vowed to reform the Shadow Broker's organization into something less unpleasant. She would never betray Shepard for Cerberus.

She's kind and compassionate, sure, but she's also got one hell of a mean streak in her and is the one who gave Shep to Cerberus in the first place.  I don't think anyone can safely predict her behavior, what with all the craziness that's she's been hitting us with.

The only thing we can count on is that she'll try to help Shepard, unless Shepard gets in the way of the obvliously greater good.  She might get a little cooky with her newfound power, sure, but she's still got a soft spot for good ol' Sheppycakes.

Anyway, I think the differences between paragons and renegades will be reconciled through perks and hurdles that come into play at various points throughout the game.  Saved the rachni?  Great, enjoy your new shock troopers, but you'd better hope your persuade skill is high enough to convince the rest of the galaxy that they're the good guys this time around.  Kept the base?  Sweet.  Enjoy your fancy new weapon, but you'd better pray to god that you can convince aliens to side with you when your Cerberus' new poster boy/girl.

[jbblue05]

Xilizhra wrote...

Kai Leng would never have been a match for Tela Vasir or the Shadow Broker, not alone. And he didn't have Liara's contacts in any case, which Liara needed even with that lead

If Liara can go toe-to-toe with an Asari spectre. I have no doubts that Kai Leng can.

Kai Leng has the same training as Shepard. The only thing Shepard has over Kai Leng is OPPURTUNITY.

I'm sure Cerberus has its own Biotic COmmandos that could fulfill Liara's role in defeating the SB.

Modifié par jbblue05, 08 février 2011 - 01:45 .

[Xilizhra]

She's kind and compassionate, sure, but she's also got one hell of a mean streak in her and is the one who gave Shep to Cerberus in the first place. I don't think anyone can safely predict her behavior, what with all the craziness that's she's been hitting us with.

Her "mean streak" consisted solely of threats delivered while in an especially bad place in her life. The instant she realized Feron was still alive and rescuable, her desire for revenge seemed to instantly fade and be replaced only by the desire to rescue him.

[Xilizhra]

If Liara can go toe-to-toe with an Asari spectre. I have no doubts that Kai Leng can.

But Liara couldn't. Even Shepard only won as a three-on-one fight. And that was after Tela was badly wounded. She's very, very good.

[James2912]

All I would add to Admiral Cheez's excellent post is that I don't think she cares about the "greater good" as much anymore as she does in keeping her power and her organization strong. I think if Shep somehow compromised her network she might betray him, but not in an intentionally violent way.

Liara is my favorite LI but whats great is she is the most complicated and actually changes with her experiences, well her and garrus but I don't play fem shep usually.

[jbblue05]

Xilizhra wrote...

If Liara can go toe-to-toe with an Asari spectre. I have no doubts that Kai Leng can.

But Liara couldn't. Even Shepard only won as a three-on-one fight. And that was after Tela was badly wounded. She's very, very good.

It wasn't a fair fight Vasir was badly injured and still could take 20 widow Shots to the head and 25 point-blank CLaymore shots.

PLus Vasir could use her Biotics in cutscenes while SHepard couldn't

They were trying to make Vasir an EPic Boss fight but all they did was overpower her

[James2912]

I though Tela Vasir was ridiculously hard to kill, she was way overpowered, and her powers were insane, She was definitely harder to kill than the terminator reaper! I was a little disappointed that Bioware made her so powerful, not that I didn't like the challenge but it seemed idk random.

[Xilizhra]

All I would add to Admiral Cheez's excellent post is that I don't think she cares about the "greater good" as much anymore as she does in keeping her power and her organization strong. I think if Shep somehow compromised her network she might betray him, but not in an intentionally violent way.

The greater good is the only reason she became the Shadow Broker in the first place; she didn't even want the job until it fell into her lap.

They were trying to make Vasir an EPic Boss fight but all they did was overpower her

Overpowered though she may have been, Tela>Leng.

[James2912]

Xilizhra wrote...

All I would add to Admiral Cheez's excellent post is that I don't think she cares about the "greater good" as much anymore as she does in keeping her power and her organization strong. I think if Shep somehow compromised her network she might betray him, but not in an intentionally violent way.

The greater good is the only reason she became the Shadow Broker in the first place; she didn't even want the job until it fell into her lap.

They were trying to make Vasir an EPic Boss fight but all they did was overpower her

Overpowered though she may have been, Tela>Leng.

I respectfully disagree, I think she is power hungry. But I will admit idk we'll have to see in ME3. And on the second comment I have no idea. 

[Xilizhra]

On what do you base the idea that she's power-hungry?