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[Xilizhra]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I doubt there'll be an option to kidnap and torture a friend of hers for two more years.

Listen.  If I spent two years doing everything I could to help out the person I loved, only to see him take off with some tart, intentionally undermine my new career, and outright screw over me and the rest of the people I cared about, I'd kick him in the balls.

Liara will flay you alive.  With her mind.

It's great that you trust her, but don't underestimate her.  Ever.

Ah, so I'll make sure to watch out for Liara if between games, I become a completely different, evil, stupid person. A warning well-given.

[Sajuro]

James2912 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Watch ME3 your going to walk into the Shadowbroker base and find Liara and TIM doing the dirty.

Well it has been 2 years and Liara  has needs..........

And TIM is into asari! 

I would say taking Liara in TIM's chair, which would be especially awkward if he was sitting in it at the time.

[AdmiralCheez]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ah, so I'll make sure to watch out for Liara if between games, I become a completely different, evil, stupid person. A warning well-given.

It ain't you I'm concerned about; it's the people that might be dumb enough to try screwing with her that worry me.

[Xilizhra]

Well, I suppose there could be a few of those scattered around.

[Zulu_DFA]

James2912 wrote...

We know from ME1s transition to ME2 that you basically start off the same no matter what path you chose in ME1, with the difference being cameos, emails and news reports, none of which is a radical difference all of which is pretty much superficial more or less. Do you think ME3 will be the first of the series that actually is a different game depending on your moral decisions? Will our decisions matter? Will we be shoehorned into to working for one organization no matter what our previous decisions in ME2 and 1?
Consider this but also keep in mind that ME3 has limited disk space. This is not a wishlist thread per se its a realistic look on how Bioware will actually reconcile the choice differences between renegade and paragons and even paragades and renegons. This is not a moral debate about which side is better its a nonbiased look at what ME3 will look like. 

At the start everybody will be shoehorned, like via Shepard's trial & imprisonment. Later on it's possible that there will be different paths to defeat the Reapers, but seeing how ME2 was (a failure of) an attempt to make the game into a shooter, I totally expect that the plot will be largely railroaded and only the ending will differ depending on the "Big Choices".

[StarcloudSWG]

Why should they try to reconcile the two? Both paragon and renegade start in the same place, I'm sure, but there *should* be big differences based on what happened in ME 1 and ME 2. 

[tmk]

Wrong thread 

Modifié par tmk, 08 février 2011 - 05:40 .

[James2912]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

James2912 wrote...

We know from ME1s transition to ME2 that you basically start off the same no matter what path you chose in ME1, with the difference being cameos, emails and news reports, none of which is a radical difference all of which is pretty much superficial more or less. Do you think ME3 will be the first of the series that actually is a different game depending on your moral decisions? Will our decisions matter? Will we be shoehorned into to working for one organization no matter what our previous decisions in ME2 and 1?
Consider this but also keep in mind that ME3 has limited disk space. This is not a wishlist thread per se its a realistic look on how Bioware will actually reconcile the choice differences between renegade and paragons and even paragades and renegons. This is not a moral debate about which side is better its a nonbiased look at what ME3 will look like. 

At the start everybody will be shoehorned, like via Shepard's trial & imprisonment. Later on it's possible that there will be different paths to defeat the Reapers, but seeing how ME2 was (a failure of) an attempt to make the game into a shooter, I totally expect that the plot will be largely railroaded and only the ending will differ depending on the "Big Choices".

I really think  your theory is going to be right , Shep is going to be improsined by the Council or the Alliance either for killing Tela Vasir or for working with Cerberus. And escaping is going to be our first mission. 

[Xilizhra]

Quite plausible. I just really hope we can get them on our side again (the Council mostly).

[jma2286]

As far as the imprisonment and trial, if it's not by the Council it'll certainly be by the Alliance. There's so much proof that Cerberus is on the Alliance's shareholders' payroll it's ridiculous.

It'll be interesting to see if Bioware decides to go for a uniform beginning or have it play out according to your choices. I doubt it will, especially since it's coming out this year, but it's worth a speculation or two.

I know that ME3 will be beaten without having to play ME and ME2, but I sincerely hope that ME3 plays out much deeper if you have.

[aeetos21]

Probably something similar to DAO's ending. For all the **** that game gets about poor replay value and wandering around gathering allies it had a surprisingly good number of different outcomes. And even though DA2 is coming out soon your warden's story ended in DAO so continuity becomes less of a problem (unlike ME2 and ME1). As others said ME3 will have a wider range of endings and storylines being its the conclusion of Shepard's story.

[The Unfallen]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

James2912 wrote...

We know from ME1s transition to ME2 that you basically start off the same no matter what path you chose in ME1, with the difference being cameos, emails and news reports, none of which is a radical difference all of which is pretty much superficial more or less. Do you think ME3 will be the first of the series that actually is a different game depending on your moral decisions? Will our decisions matter? Will we be shoehorned into to working for one organization no matter what our previous decisions in ME2 and 1?
Consider this but also keep in mind that ME3 has limited disk space. This is not a wishlist thread per se its a realistic look on how Bioware will actually reconcile the choice differences between renegade and paragons and even paragades and renegons. This is not a moral debate about which side is better its a nonbiased look at what ME3 will look like. 

At the start everybody will be shoehorned, like via Shepard's trial & imprisonment. Later on it's possible that there will be different paths to defeat the Reapers, but seeing how ME2 was (a failure of) an attempt to make the game into a shooter, I totally expect that the plot will be largely railroaded and only the ending will differ depending on the "Big Choices".

*Sigh* 

All right, you're making me do this...

[Lance Gardner]

The only way I can see them resolving the problem with the characters is to include the majority of ME2 characters, some ME1 and a collection of new characters. Have a total character cap at about 16 and then have a cap on the number you can recruit at around 8, with about 6 new characters joining the game so if everyone else died in your last file you'll be constricted to new players. For people who didn't lose all the others they then have to make the option in ME3, where perhaps individual squad missions will be less important than in 2 to reduce mission redundancy.

[Zulu_DFA]

The Unfallen wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

James2912 wrote...

We know from ME1s transition to ME2 that you basically start off the same no matter what path you chose in ME1, with the difference being cameos, emails and news reports, none of which is a radical difference all of which is pretty much superficial more or less. Do you think ME3 will be the first of the series that actually is a different game depending on your moral decisions? Will our decisions matter? Will we be shoehorned into to working for one organization no matter what our previous decisions in ME2 and 1?
Consider this but also keep in mind that ME3 has limited disk space. This is not a wishlist thread per se its a realistic look on how Bioware will actually reconcile the choice differences between renegade and paragons and even paragades and renegons. This is not a moral debate about which side is better its a nonbiased look at what ME3 will look like. 

At the start everybody will be shoehorned, like via Shepard's trial & imprisonment. Later on it's possible that there will be different paths to defeat the Reapers, but seeing how ME2 was (a failure of) an attempt to make the game into a shooter, I totally expect that the plot will be largely railroaded and only the ending will differ depending on the "Big Choices".

*Sigh* 

All right, you're making me do this...

[...is running scared in circles, screaming like this...]

[James2912]

Lance Gardner wrote...

The only way I can see them resolving the problem with the characters is to include the majority of ME2 characters, some ME1 and a collection of new characters. Have a total character cap at about 16 and then have a cap on the number you can recruit at around 8, with about 6 new characters joining the game so if everyone else died in your last file you'll be constricted to new players. For people who didn't lose all the others they then have to make the option in ME3, where perhaps individual squad missions will be less important than in 2 to reduce mission redundancy.

God I hope you're right!

[Spectre_907]

All that is known is that the story will be divergent based on choices made in the first two games, which will have a much more significant impact on the plot for ME3 than in the first two games. This will mean content that will be either gained or missed dependent on choices made.

James2912 wrote...

Shep is going to be improsined by the Council or the Alliance either for killing Tela Vasir or for working with Cerberus. And escaping is going to be our first mission.

I don't think so. I do not think the trial/imprisonment idea is going to work if you are reinstated as a Spectre. It could be implemented otherwise but I find it unlikely in that case either.

Modifié par Spectre_907, 10 février 2011 - 06:40 .

[Zing Freelancer]

James2912 wrote...



We know from ME1s transition to ME2 that you basically start off the same no matter what path you chose in ME1, with the difference being cameos, emails and news reports, none of which is a radical difference all of which is pretty much superficial more or less. Do you think ME3 will be the first of the series that actually is a different game depending on your moral decisions? Will our decisions matter? Will we be shoehorned into to working for one organization no matter what our previous decisions in ME2 and 1?

Consider this but also keep in mind that ME3 has limited disk space. This is not a wishlist thread per se its a realistic look on how Bioware will actually reconcile the choice differences between renegade and paragons and even paragades and renegons. This is not a moral debate about which side is better its a nonbiased look at what ME3 will look like.

Reputation?



If you go Renegade, people should be werry of your status as "Dont **** with Shepard" Shepard. So maybe next time you walk in a room fool of mercs, you dont have to shoot their Leader in kneecaps to make them run. Trough I do it anyway.

[James2912]

I hope that if you went from paragon to renegade or vice versa people around you will react. I mean I was a paragon in ME1 with an LI of liara. Then the Council betrayed me and I became a renegade in ME2 so I walk into Liara's office in Illium with big red eyes and scars all over my face and she doesn't make one comment, like shepard you've changed. She does make a comment about your behavior if you pressure her on hers but thats paragon or renegade.

[Ryzaki]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ah, so I'll make sure to watch out for Liara if between games, I become a completely different, evil, stupid person. A warning well-given.

It ain't you I'm concerned about; it's the people that might be dumb enough to try screwing with her that worry me.

Liara has a weakness. A serious one.
She trusts Shepard. She has this desire to protect Shepard.
That's enough of an opportunity for if necessary Shep to kill her.
All Shepard has to do is wait for the perfect opportunity and find a way to remotely knock that fancy Ship out of the sky.
And yeah that damn Plot Armor needs to go die in a fire.

And I want the fact that I'm being a renegade douchebag to my partymembers actually to register and not for them to treat me like I'm their bestest friend ever! That would be swell! 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 février 2011 - 06:58 .

[earthbornFemShep]

I don't question Liara's loyalty... unless, of course, you get back with her in LotSB and then cheat on her again a few missions later.



She has changed, true, but I don't think she'll betray Shepard. Most of my Sheps would trust Liara with their lives. If she turns, she will catch 75% of my Shepards by surprise.

[vader da slayer]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So she's torn and uncertain. This doesn't quite speak of MAD WITH POWAH!!

Not yet, but she's got the potential.  And the desire was there.

All I'm saying is that, out of all of Shep's old pals, Liara is the hardest to predict.

Definitely gonna wait and see on this one.

she does have the potential to go all power mad but there's also you and the other friends she made there to either escalate said power madness or keep her grounded. I almost fully expect decisions regarding Liara to be a semi big part to how ME3 plays out.

[STG]

James2912 wrote...
Shep is going to be improsined by the Council or the Alliance either for killing Tela Vasir or

Shepard: I resent these accusations. Tela Vasir was a fellow Spectre, and a friend.

Turian Councilor: That just let you catch her off guard!

Shepard: Ah, Councilor. You always seem to be involved when false accusations are made against me. But what can you expect, from a TURIAN!?

Rear Admiral Mikhailovich: Told yah.

[Abispa]

In terms of game-play and level mechanics, I can see your choices leading you to visit stages in different orders. If you're Renegade you might fight through a Cerberus base against Council Specters early in the game, but if you are a Paragon you may not go to that stage until late in the game when you battle through the base against Cerberus Commandos protecting your target, TIM. Essentially the levels and enemies can be mixed and matched depending on your storyline. I'd like things to realistically fall apart with your squad. Jack and Miranda can finally have that death match they postponed. Miranda could turn on you if you start hunting TIM, or maybe she was playing you in the second game all along. The Alliance attacks Cerberus (after all, TIM did have Admiral Kuhoku assassinated) and in the battle Miranda threatens/kills Ashley or vice versa. The Quarian fleet demands that Shepard help them liberated the Perceus Veil, forcing you to choose between them or Legion's Geth.

[Abispa]

I see a scene between Miranda and Jack that almost mirrors the Samara/Morinth showdown. Who does Shepard choose to kill? Extra Renegade points if you cop a feel on Miranda before turning on her.

Okay, sorry about that last part. I'm not a Miranda fan and her groupies really get on my nerves sometimes.

Modifié par Abispa, 10 février 2011 - 07:34 .

[James2912]

I hope that either we work for the Shadowbroker or we have a choice between the Council and Cerberus.I really hope that we get the chance to pick our boss!