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[Daveraa]

As the owner of a computer shop that sells both Macs and PCs I can honestly say that Macs are great for people with too much money who don't want to play games or do over complex things with their computers (outside of a few specialist areas where Macs are on par with but not ahead of PCs).



The myths that Apple (and Mac users) have managed to spread about Macs are truely astonishing. But there is no doubt that they have done a fantastic job as a company in turning around their fortunes (helped in no small part by Microsofts incredible ability to mess up). Its a victory of image over content, which is true of many things in the modern world.



But what it boils down to for Dragon Age is that the effort involved in trying to port it to Mac are not even close to the return. Mac users in general don't buy games and the ones who do install windows on their Mac.

[Eidolonn]

kellkat2 wrote...

JigPig - I'll put my Mac up against a PC any day. Graphics are awesome and no viruses/worms/or hackers to worry about. So laugh out of your other.... hole.

There are minimal viruses/worms becasue a Mac is such a small fraction of the computer market.  Viruses and worms are created to infiltrate and corrupt the most amount of systems in the shortest amount of time.  Therefore, the authors of these programs could not care less about Macs when they occupy 5-10% of the market.  Why bother, when you can go for 90% of the market.

[WildstarGoethe]

@kellkat2: Mac Users

[Daveraa]

Eidolonn wrote...

kellkat2 wrote...

JigPig - I'll put my Mac up against a PC any day. Graphics are awesome and no viruses/worms/or hackers to worry about. So laugh out of your other.... hole.

There are minimal viruses/worms becasue a Mac is such a small fraction of the computer market.  Viruses and worms are created to infiltrate and corrupt the most amount of systems in the shortest amount of time.  Therefore, the authors of these programs could not care less about Macs when they occupy 5-10% of the market.  Why bother, when you can go for 90% of the market.

Interestingly as such a small percentage of Mac owners bother with anti virus and firewall software (because of this myth that macs are somehow immune from viruses) even though they represent a small part of the overall computer market they would most likely experiance a far far higher infection rate. Its only a matter of time before there is a major attack on Macs... Hell it could already be being done, afterall the best viruses are stealth viruses that can nab your CC info etc without you knowing about it. 

[Saevel Chess]

The only thing differentiating Mac from PC atm is Final Cut Pro, so unless you head a movie studio; get a PC or bootcamp..

[LSDS]

Daveraa wrote...

 Mac users in general don't buy games and the ones who do install windows on their Mac.

I don't think that's entirely true.  I think it's more that most of us buy a Mac for a primary purpose other than playing games.  Not that we don't buy games at all.  As you said most will install windows on a partition for games or just use a secondary computer for that.  Many Mac users are also PC users as well.  Personally, I didn't see the need to toss out my PC simply because I bought a new computer.  Although I don't really use the PC much anymore. 

Just out of curiosity which Macs do you sell in your store?  Outside of an Apple store I've only seen the low end Macs in the shops in my area.  It'd be nice to see more stores around here carrying the higher end models.

[Daveraa]

LSDS wrote...

Daveraa wrote...

 Mac users in general don't buy games and the ones who do install windows on their Mac.

I don't think that's entirely true.  I think it's more that most of us buy a Mac for a primary purpose other than playing games.  Not that we don't buy games at all.  As you said most will install windows on a partition for games or just use a secondary computer for that.  Many Mac users are also PC users as well.  Personally, I didn't see the need to toss out my PC simply because I bought a new computer.  Although I don't really use the PC much anymore. 

Just out of curiosity which Macs do you sell in your store?  Outside of an Apple store I've only seen the low end Macs in the shops in my area.  It'd be nice to see more stores around here carrying the higher end models.

I'm not sure off the top of my head the exact models, we are in a slightly unique situation however as we are in partnership with a UK company that provides PCs to students under a goverment scheme. So we get Macs on Sale or Return from them. Most small shops simply can't afford to stock the higher end Macs because they are so much more expensive than the same spec PC. Also as Apple are so controlling over everything that a small shop can't offer much in the way of service or support for the machine, nor make decent margins.

I wouldn't touch them if it wasn't for this deal we have going on. The return vs the risk is just isn't there. Also when it comes to selling a Mac it is really hard to justify the extra money over a PC. Unless someone has already decided that is what they want for image reasons.

Don't get me wrong as a user experiance I quite like Macs (until they go wrong), but I cannot abide Apples pricing structure, nor the integrated nature of the machines. Basically to me a Mac is all the worst things about laptops without the portability. 

Microsoft gets a lot of flack for its business practices, but Apple are far worse in my vierw. 

[Mordaedil]

Mac's. One button mouse. 'nough said.

[MckRout]

Mac user here... Yes, it'd be great if Dragon Age was ported to OS X, but at the same time, not. EA's done a few games recently that came out with Mac versions and all they do is more or less place the game in a "wrapper" that allows the game to run in OS X. They kind of take the bits from windows that it needs and build a virtual machine around the game, for lack of a better way to put it. Sure, it gets games to OS X, but they're buggy and unstable in a lot of cases. If I want to play a game, I either buy it for my 360 or load Bootcamp up and play in XP.



On the virus bit that people mentioned, they're coming. Someone will figure out that most of us Mac users, including myself, don't take a lot of the same security measures that windows users are somewhat forced into. When my machine does get that first virus or I read about how thousands of Macs are actually on some botnet, I'm just going to laugh. Why? Because it means at that point, Macs and OS X have enough of a market share that the people that right those programs took notice, among other reasons, lol.

[LSDS]

Daveraa, I can see the iMacs being a turn off for a lot of users due to the highly integrated nature you mentioned. Though lately I've seen more and more of the big name PC companies marketing similar machines for whatever reason. Apple has gotten a little better though. The newer 24" iMacs are at least slightly customizable. They're also a bit cheaper than the last generation of iMacs.

The Mac Pros are the machines I've been looking for outside of an Apple store but even there I think most of them are assembled to order. Though I could be wrong. I've only played around with the different configurations online. I could have afforded the lowest end of the Pro spectrum but I really didn't need it at the time and I felt it was really a waste to buy the lowest spec machine now only to upgrade it later. Also the iMac was a better fit for my current space.

I hadn't intended on playing any games on this machine at all but I did end up switching to the Mac version of CoH. I also tried AoC for a couple of weeks on my Vista partition and it performed wonderfully. I just really didn't like the game unfortunately. I've been wanting to play around with the toolset so I might get a copy of the PC version of DA:O eventually unless Bioware surprises me and announces plans for a Mac version sometime soon.

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Mordaedil wrote...

Mac's. One button mouse. 'nough said.

 Actually my mouse doesn't have any buttons at all.  It can still left click and right click like a champ though.

Modifié par LSDS, 14 novembre 2009 - 01:40 .

[Trajan60]

Napoleon1853 wrote...

kellkat2 wrote...

I know it's not an MMO at the moment. However, many didn't start out that way and grew to become just that. Yes, if I could afford Bootcamp I'd have it. Still - those things tend to have stability issues (I had Parallels - don't get me started). The ideal would be for these companies to just make their games Mac compatible as well. What - are we still in the 90's??

Dragon Age: Origins is a single player game. I am pretty sure it will always be a single player game. There might be some multiplayer support down the line....maybe possible via a mod or something..I dunno? However, I am not saying there couldn't be a Dragon Age MMO in the future...but Dragon Age: Origins itself is a single player game.

I think Dragon Age would make an awesome MMO. With Bioware getting into the genre in SW: The Old Republic I think it's very likely.

[Super Darly]

I can't believe no one has pulled this gem out yet:

Mac: Hey PC, whatcha up to?
PC: Playing games.
Mac: Oh cool, which one?
PC: All of them, lol.
Mac:

[Drogo45]

kellkat2 wrote...

Kelston - I am not even close to elite. It's just a simple truth that Macs are better quality in the long run. I switched 2 years ago and haven't regretted one single minute.

Go away and enjoy your Mac.  Oh wait.......you want this game on the Mac.........hmmmm......

Have fun enjoying all the games.........and don't regret it!

[LSDS]

Super Darly wrote...

I can't believe no one has pulled this gem out yet:

Mac: Hey PC, whatcha up to?
PC: Playing games.
Mac: Oh cool, which one?
PC: All of them, lol.
Mac:

  I love the PC/Mac jokes.  Here's a Mac version:


Mac: Hey PC, whatcha up to?
PC: Playing games.
Mac: Oh cool, which one?
PC: ...
Mac: Uh, PC?
PC: ...
Mac: I guess he froze again...

[KingTazzo]

Macs and Mac user snobbery kind of reminds me of the Neo Geo console back in the day. Except the Neo Geo was actually superior to the competition albeit ridiculously over-priced. Also being a games console you could actually get games for it. Oh and since there was no real online gaming back then it didn't matter much that you had a user base of 12.

[LSDS]

The NeoGeo used the arcade board. I really wanted one but there was no way I could have afforded to buy it back then.

I don't know where the idea that Mac users are snobs comes from. Looking at this thread it's just a bunch of PC users defecating all over Macs and Mac users. Apart from a couple of decent posters at least.

I'm both a PC user and a Mac user but I'd rather still be a Commodore user. I'll always be one at heart.   <3 Ah, the sweet memories....

Modifié par LSDS, 14 novembre 2009 - 02:19 .

[zzenn]

kelkat, have fun with your mac, while the rest of us have fun with the enormous amount of software and games available to us. Oh yeah, you can try to emulate, but hey - then you're just sad. A Mac user emulating Windows. How fail

Apparently the Mac wasn't awesome enough to get Dragon Age

Any worthwhile software for the Mac is also available for a PC. PCs run great when used by anyone with a modicum of braincells. 


By the way:
One thing PC users can do that Mac users can't:

Modifié par zzenn, 14 novembre 2009 - 02:32 .

[KingTazzo]

LSDS wrote...

The NeoGeo used the arcade board. I really wanted one but there was no way I could have afforded to buy it back then.

Yeah same here. I think one of the Metal Slug games they didn't make that many of still fetches ridiculous prices.

I don't know where the idea that Mac users are snobs comes from.
Looking at this thread it's just a bunch of PC users defecating all
over Macs and Mac users. Apart from a couple of decent posters at least.

Well to me it comes from the Mac profile (advertising, pricing etc) and the fact that every Mac user I know swears blind they are infinitely superior to PC's, even though most of them haven't got a clue when it comes to computer tech specs.

I'm both a PC user and a Mac user but I'd rather still be a Commodore user. I'll always be one at heart.   [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie] Ah, the sweet memories....

Amiga or C64? I used to have a Spectrum +2 and look back on it with rose-tinted memories. If you were a C64 user perhaps we could restart the old Commodore vs Sinclair bashing and both relive some happy memories?

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

LSDS wrote...
I don't know where the idea that Mac users are snobs comes from. Looking at this thread it's just a bunch of PC users defecating all over Macs and Mac users. Apart from a couple of decent posters at least.

Yeah, but unlike PC users, Mac users actually talk like that in real life. If you have the guts to defend anything Microsoft makes, you get a horde of skinny, AXE using Mac geeks all over you summing up 1001 reasons why the Mac is supposedly a better product.

I have never encountered a PC elitist in real life.

[Mopreme_]

I dont use a Mac and never will. But I am sure it would be nice for those that do use one to be able to play DA:O
Hopefully they will make a version for you guys soon.

Modifié par Mopreme_, 14 novembre 2009 - 02:55 .

[Legendlives]

To all you Mac users, im not saying your Elites or anything but lets be real for a moment. In this current market what are in most homes, a Mac or a PC. Now if your being real, its a PC. Now if your a hacker and you wanna make the biggest impact and screw a bunch of people over, which do you think they will go after, the small market or the big boys.



The truth is that hackers just dont give a fudge about Mac's. When/If Mac's every reach the market share of PC's then we'll see what Mac users will have to say when they find there systems hit with tons of viruses.



Now on to your topic, yes they will make alittle more money making it for a Mac but again, no where near how much they've made and will make selling it on PC's or the consoles. Wait your 6 months before you get it, or wise up and get a PC.

[soteria]

Honestly, I don't have any major complaints about the Mac OS or the machines they build. Well, except for the fact that I can't build my own machine with their OS. Besides that, the only thing I can't stand about Macintosh is the users.

[Brentra]

LSDS wrote...
Mac: Hey PC, whatcha up to?
PC: Playing games.
Mac: Oh cool, which one?
PC: ...
Mac: Uh, PC?
PC: ...
Mac: I guess he froze again...

Considering that my main power-user XP installation hasn't frozen in almost two years, I can't say I get it.

[Direbrute]

WildstarGoethe wrote...

@kellkat2: Mac Users

Love that site. Best line:

"I mean, Apple is a company that has built its entire user base around the fact that its users can't do simple things like turn their computers on. Hell, most Mac users can't even talk without using their hands, which ranks their intelligence somewhere between a simian and hog s***."

And for the record, PC users wouldn't get so up in arms if every single Mac commercial didn't try its damndeest to make PC users look stupid.

What we're doing to you in this thread is exactly what Mac commercials attempt to do in every single ad.

Modifié par Direbrute, 14 novembre 2009 - 03:17 .

[NoCc_]

Both Mac and PC (Aka Windows) have their advantages



Mac:

Pros:

Great for video,picture and audio editing

Easy to learn and easy to use

Less "hassle" than a regular PC



Cons:

Expensive, you'll pay a lot more for the exact same hardware. (Tried it myself, putting together a regular PC with the same hardware as the mac, and the PC still cost less than 300 euro's less.

Not as easy and cheap to upgrade (hardware)

You can't fix hardware problems yourself.



I would go insane having a mac since I enjoy my "freedom". If something like a memory stick stops working, I can just buy a new one and install it myself, on a mac it's a whole different thing however. And If a nice looking OS, I could just mod windows to my own liking.



If you have money to spare then mac's a great choice if you are either

Little to no knowledge of computers

You like pretty things

You actually care what brand it is

You edit video, pictures and audio a lot.

You don't want to spend time optimizing and customizing a windows OS to make it safe, fast and pretty