167 réponses à ce sujet

[Therealdjango]

Wretched Gnu wrote...

kellkat2 wrote... 
It's just a simple truth that Macs are better quality in the long run.

I'd rather pay now than pay later with cheaply built, inferior quality that requires constant maintenance.

Please.  Tell that to my wife, who is now on her 3rd Macbook in 4 years because of its flat-out poor hardware quality.  Even after the usual Mac hard-drive armageddon, the actual casing on each of her macbooks would start falling apart in a year.  Those machines are built to be disposed.

Well its because your wife has the white macbook. The one that is cheap for students.  If she had put a little more money to get one with an aluminum casing it would've have lasted years and years no problem. Mac or not you get what you pay for. She paid for the cheap one and it doesn't last long enough... To me there is no surprise there. Its a very cheap computer that one, they don't sell it anymore thought.

Omitting the white macbook for students that doesn't exist anymore, Macs are overall better quality. I bought my Mac pro quadcore 3 years ago for 2000 canadian running great and no problem today. I am getting 7.1 score in windows 7 with a 3 year old computer !!! 2k is expensive but over 3+ years that investment is not that expensive anymore. Try to do that with a 3 year old PC. It will have failed by then !

[Therealdjango]

wrexingcrew wrote...

zzenn wrote...

Any worthwhile software for the Mac is also available for a PC.

That's not entirely true, but it's pretty close.  Final Cut Pro for video/film and Logic Pro for electronic music - those are really great programs...then again, I'd take Ableton over Logic, hands down, so there is a better alternative available.  Logic is the only thing that's ever made me want a Mac, but that was before Live 7-8.

I have no problem with someone wanting a Mac port - the early 90s LucasArts and Sim games all came out for Macs, and the C&C Mac port was actually pretty good (although I preferred the PC version).  I would agree that it doesn't make a ton of business sense at this point, though - contracting an outside studio to do a port when most Mac users can just flip over to Windows or find other workarounds...that's not going to happen.

As a performer and a composer I must say that  Logic is one of the best audio apps out there. I have yet to find one that matches it for Windows. Sorry but Live didn't cut it for me.

[Therealdjango]

NoCc_ wrote...

Both Mac and PC (Aka Windows) have their advantages

Mac:
Pros:
Great for video,picture and audio editing
Easy to learn and easy to use
Less "hassle" than a regular PC

Cons:
Expensive, you'll pay a lot more for the exact same hardware. (Tried it myself, putting together a regular PC with the same hardware as the mac, and the PC still cost less than 300 euro's less.
Not as easy and cheap to upgrade (hardware)
You can't fix hardware problems yourself.

I would go insane having a mac since I enjoy my "freedom". If something like a memory stick stops working, I can just buy a new one and install it myself, on a mac it's a whole different thing however. And If a nice looking OS, I could just mod windows to my own liking.

If you have money to spare then mac's a great choice if you are either
Little to no knowledge of computers
You like pretty things
You actually care what brand it is
You edit video, pictures and audio a lot.
You don't want to spend time optimizing and customizing a windows OS to make it safe, fast and pretty

Tell me what is the difference in changing the memory stick on a mac and on pc then  ? There is none. Please stop spreading lies or at least make sure what you are saying is true. Oh and the same hardware costs less on a PC? I have yet to see that. Tried that one with a laptop a year ago and guess what the pc laptops didnt even have DDR3 while the macbookpros had them. You are also omitting the aluminum casing. That costs something. More than the plastic that breaks easily you get on PCs. So much for the comparing same hardware...

[OrionUnas]

I've had my PC for two years so far, running vista... NEVER... NEVER had to get it repaired, never had any maintanence issues.

I do agree that it should be put on Mac, but Macs are mostly for productions. Their hardware and coding are designed to make video and graphics faster. However, my PC can do anything your Mac can do in terms of production.

So, from that viewpoint, it is too bad DA:O isn't on a Mac, but they made a game, not a program to create video. Not trying to be a flamer, just sayin'. Windows users are the majority of not only the gameing community (built for entertainment), but the creators in the gaming community. Easier to bring over the code that way. They don't have to rewrite everything to work for Mac, that just means more time they have to go through.

(edit)

However... you Mac's did bring the mouse, and I'm happy for that.  But... you also came out with iTunes... and iPods... and stupid iPhones.  Ugh.  Apple products are by far the cheapest pieces of dung I've ever seen.  But then again, I've never run into a good made batch.  You people with your phones and pods that have lasted longer then two years are lucky.  I've never bought one myself, and don't plan on it.

Modifié par OrionUnas, 15 novembre 2009 - 03:00 .

[Godzr]

Forgive the ignorance here , but is the PC more customisable than a Mac. Ie can you upgrade more stuff like GFX Cards, Sound Cards etc than you can on a Mac...



Is the mac like a upto date Compaq, where you can upgrade anything unless its from Compaq themselves...



Like I said maybe got hold of the wrong end of the stick here.

[Apex Sammoth]

Therealdjango wrote...

NoCc_ wrote...

Both Mac and PC (Aka Windows) have their advantages

Mac:
Pros:
Great for video,picture and audio editing
Easy to learn and easy to use
Less "hassle" than a regular PC

Cons:
Expensive, you'll pay a lot more for the exact same hardware. (Tried it myself, putting together a regular PC with the same hardware as the mac, and the PC still cost less than 300 euro's less.
Not as easy and cheap to upgrade (hardware)
You can't fix hardware problems yourself.

I would go insane having a mac since I enjoy my "freedom". If something like a memory stick stops working, I can just buy a new one and install it myself, on a mac it's a whole different thing however. And If a nice looking OS, I could just mod windows to my own liking.

If you have money to spare then mac's a great choice if you are either
Little to no knowledge of computers
You like pretty things
You actually care what brand it is
You edit video, pictures and audio a lot.
You don't want to spend time optimizing and customizing a windows OS to make it safe, fast and pretty

Tell me what is the difference in changing the memory stick on a mac and on pc then  ? There is none. Please stop spreading lies or at least make sure what you are saying is true. Oh and the same hardware costs less on a PC? I have yet to see that. Tried that one with a laptop a year ago and guess what the pc laptops didnt even have DDR3 while the macbookpros had them. You are also omitting the aluminum casing. That costs something. More than the plastic that breaks easily you get on PCs. So much for the comparing same hardware...

Mac Fanboy Much.... Nuff Said

I have had the same PC for 5 Years and almost no problems at all. Have Upgraded 2 times. Last Longer then any Mac I have owned.

Modifié par Apex Sammoth, 15 novembre 2009 - 05:01 .

[EricHVela]

Design a clean nuclear power plant using programs in OSX. Show the proper zoning and foresting requirements to maintain a healthy air quality for existing nearby communities using only OSX. Analyze remote-sensed data to determine what crops were planted where and the effect they had on the hydrologic ecosystem over 5 years from OSX programs. Design a new suspension bridge among a team of engineers across a network. Oh dear. It looks like the hardware to interface MRI equipment doesn't work on Apple machines, but there are many that work fine on PCs.

If you want to play games and that's it, might as well get a console. If you want to do everything, might as well get a PC. So... why get OSX?

Bootcamp? Why buy two OSs when one of those two can do everything?

You like being limited by hardware availability for your closed system? Might as well still get a console.

Still, Mac support for games isn't a bad thing, but if Macs want to win by means other than jacking up their prices to skew their sales in dollar amounts, they'll start being more open to work with manufacturers to compete with the hard-core business side of things, too. PCs already work with the hard-core design side of things. What advantage does OSX have other than limiting issues by limited options? (Ever wonder why ILM went with Windows over OSX after they dumped SUN?)

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 15 novembre 2009 - 05:30 .

[Vactet]

First off...Therealdjango, I know you are unhappy being on the wrong side of this, but that is no need to spam posts. You can put multiple quotes in one post, just right click and select "copy"....or does Mac not support that? Oh rigjt...1 Mouse Button
:innocent:

Now then.

Therealdjango wrote...

k is expensive but over 3+ years
that investment is not that expensive anymore. Try to do that with a 3
year old PC. It will have failed by then !

Done..and done.
Currently, the wife is sitting at my old computer..6 years old. We swapped out the hardrive about 2 years ago (When I gave the computer to her.) and the graphics card at the same time (from a Geforce 4600 to a 6000 series).
It runs fine. No problems, no complaints.

My computer is..hmm..about 3 years hold. Yet...its still high end.
4Gigs of ram, 2TB of Harddrive, an AMD FX60 dual core CPU, Geforce 8800 GTS, etc.
Could it be better? Yes, but I would have to swap out the mobo since the PCI-E doesn't do 2.0 and the best graphics cards need that 2.0.

Oh that's right..Mac's cant upgrade to keep them top of the line.

Mac's users (unless you are using one for some programs that indeed are designed for mac's) are idiots. Period.

Discussion over, Mac's Suck.

[BluesMan1956]

C'mon. Everyone knows that Macs weren't designed for any games except those lame "adventure" games that are nothing more than "Where's Waldo?"

[BluesMan1956]

Oh, and I own a MacBook and have tried to find games for it....

[addiction21]

BluesMan1956 wrote...

C'mon. Everyone knows that Macs weren't designed for any games except those lame "adventure" games that are nothing more than "Where's Waldo?"

I liked wheres waldo....   think im going to the bookstore tomorrow!

[blugobi]

i has 17mil can i help?



(sry Lol...hi mom \\O/ )

[BluesMan1956]

Vactet wrote...

Discussion over, Mac's Suck.

That is not fair.  The bottom line is that Mac's were not designed to play PC-type games.  I can use my MacBook to connect to my PC at work and work from home.  But I can't play Oblivion, much less DA:O

[Ultrazennn]

Kelston wrote...

Now if only Apple would spend more money marketing the Mac towards normal people rather than condescendingly portray it's product with mass elitism to target only trendy art students and little girls, you'd be able to play games on a Mac.

They're not losing out on a huge market by not being Mac compatible. You know you are not a large group of people when you make headlines that read: "Mac marketshare SURGES to 5% in the UK."

Surge is not the word I would use there for that monster 5%.

The real reason Mac has no market share, stems back to their descision to not liscence anyone else to build with their OS.  This is where and why microsoft become dominant.  Biggest single mistake in history from a competition angle.

Being both a mac and a pc owner, I can say I love my mac.  But even saying there is a "market share" is kind of a joke.  Mac users aren't even close to double digits.

[Zashel]

well, there is a guy in my shop who'se got a mac, swears up and down by it. i asked him what he did with it, his response was some mumbled answer about listening to music and watching downloaded clips from the internet (married, so i assume its not porn lol). he later tried to convince me that the PC im now using wouldnt stand a chance against his. needless to say, my $2000+ PC would beat the ever lasting life out of his mac. (putting aside the fact that is a stupid amount to spent on a computer, my thoughts were somewhere along the lines of "go big or go home" lol).



could you make a good HTmac? maybe thats what they should be used for if yes? hmm. on second thought probably not because of hardware constraints. oh well.



and as for that memory stick issue: apple can bite my shiney metal rear, im not going to pay them some stupid crazy amount of money for inferior hardware. i like being able to buy OCZ and EVGA and ASUS and computer case that looks like it could eat small children...



*sigh* i feel better. all my anti-mac feeling have been spilt. time for some DA:O



PS. does the game remind anyone else a little bit of GW?

[Benny Kane]

So, I have a few comments on all of this:



First, I love PC/Windows. I own an iPhone, because I cant deny its a really nice piece of tech.



Something always bothers me when people say Macs are for "artists". Im in college for a degree in video game art and animation, focusing on concept art and 3d modelling, and I have no intention of ever buying a Mac. Maybe I am missing out on something and shooting myself in the foot? I see no reason to buy a Mac over a PC for that reason. Second, I have a good friend I joke with about computers (he owns a Mac) and every time I ask him to tell my why he loves his Mac and hates PCs, his only response is "Its just better". Now, take from that what you will, but I have never had a single Mac user actually tell me WHY it is so much better (aside the "Im an artist bit, which I refuse to believe right now") Not sure what I am trying to accomplish by posting. Honestly, nothing against Macs, but I cant see paying 3 times as much as I did for a "decent" Mac that I can accompish with the computer I bought right now. And play games.

[Codemanjap]

kellkat2 wrote...

LOL it's true. I've had my Mac for 2 years. Not one single issue with that sort of thing and no nasty VISTA to worry about. No constant additional software to buy to keep it running "correctly." No myth - just plain fact.

Whats Vista?

[MassEffect762]

I've heard that Macs don't have problems because nobody really gives a hoot about them either way, good or bad.



They don't know how to market, their annoying commercials lose my interest everytime.



"Hi I'm PC"



"And I'm a Jack Ass" LOL

[akuthia]

macs are better computers for people that actually BUY computers, lets face it, all in all, the PC market sucks just as bad as the mac market does, as far as built computer systems are concerned, and if you're not building, or having it built by a custom shop, you're just going down the wrong pth.. Which is also why Macs suck, i cant walk or shop online, buy myself a copy, and build a system.



As for video editing, Final cut pro is NOT the be all end all of video editing, in fact, Avid is the top of the line system, and it is a system-agnostic program, howeber, Avid is a complete SYSTEM suite program, you buy avid, you're not getting that computer for anything else. And truth be told, Adobe Premiere has made a lot of strides to catching up to Final cut.

[NoCc_]

akuthia wrote...

macs are better computers for people that actually BUY computers, lets face it, all in all, the PC market sucks just as bad as the mac market does, as far as built computer systems are concerned, and if you're not building, or having it built by a custom shop, you're just going down the wrong pth.. Which is also why Macs suck, i cant walk or shop online, buy myself a copy, and build a system.

This is 100% true. I never recommend anyone buying computer systems, the parts they usually put together just doesn't match.

Example: I saw a computer with a quad core processor, nice clock speed, 4 gb of ram, great motherboard, and the graphic card was an 8600 GT 256 mb, and they called it a gaming computer and wanted a pretty high price for it.

With that graphic card, it doesn't matter what the rest of the PC looks like, it still won't perform great in games.

Atleast here in sweden, everyone who has knowledge when it comes to PC's gets custom built PC's or build them themselves.

It's cheaper and you get better performance.

Mac's on the otherhand seems a lot more balanced, no weak link in the chain.

[Welnic]

Sorry, I must be in the wrong forum, I thought this one was about Dragon Age: Origions.

[Alamo Melt]

Where's that photo of the Special Olympics kid...

[casadechrisso]

Sheez, Mac vs. PC kindergarden again, will that ever stop? I use both, I'm fine with both. At this moment I'm on a Mac and play DA:O via Bootcamp. I also do all my NWN2 stuff and some other gaming on this comp because it's so far the most trouble-free (and silent!) computer I owned. Before, I had a selfbuilt AMD system for my gaming needs and it ran too. My next comp will probably be a PC again because I can get a pure gaming system cheaper that way, and my Mac still does the other tasks fine enough.

Anyway, regardless of all this cr4p about no games for Mac etc., so far every Bioware game but Mass Effect has actually made a Mac appearance, from Baldur's Gate over NWN and KOTOR to Jade Empire. Actually I was surprised *not* to see Mass Effect being ported, but that might have to do with Bootcamp - why make a Mac version if we all can just get the Windows version for cheap? I certainly don't care much for Mac versions anymore.
Anway, given that all but one Bioware games were actually ported over, and EA is extremely Mac-friendly too (even though they just "cider" the games), the chances are not so bad at all. The only thing that makes me doubt it again is that Mass Effect hasn't been ported.
Anyway, live and let live, these stupid OS wars and the same old ****ing about clichées is highly annoying.
Oh, and Macs do have multi-button mouses, really. Those are still crap and I prefer my cheap Logitech, but that's not the point.

Modifié par casadechrisso, 15 novembre 2009 - 07:32 .

[casadechrisso]

I wholeheartly disagree here, I think Apple is primarily good at making laptops (and iMacs are just... huge immobile laptops too, technically). Are they flawless, 100% reliable? No, no computer ever is. But they are quite good, yes, I think so. Apple cares for detail, it's the small things you don't usualy care about when comparing PC specs that make the difference. Nevertheless, they were never aimed for the real gaming market, and it's just a waste of time comparing them to Highend gaming PCs, because that's simply not Apple's target area. If I just wanted a gaming PC, I'd buy that - a PC. I just have a Mac for my other work and prefer OS X for everyday stuff, and if it runs games too via Bootcamp, I see no reason not to play games on it too *shrug*.
However, if anyone asked me for a recommendation for a decent gaming rig, I'd not recommend a Mac Pro, that's just silly. I could build a wonderful gaming PC for 600 bucks, and just for gaming I'd do exactly that.
As far as I know, ASUS has actually made parts for Apple laptops, I would guess the mainboards. But Apple switches those component suppliers regulary, it could as well be some obscure brand in China's hinterlands now, as long as it meets Apple's standards.

Modifié par casadechrisso, 15 novembre 2009 - 08:19 .