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[jdfox37]

I don't even understand why this is a serious post. First guess... Troll.



Otherwise everything PC users have said about Mac's and their owners is true. Why would Bioware even bother? Mac would probably CHARGE them to use any dev tools they have for OSX games.



Also, as someone who has used (no longer current) Mac and Windows machines... I can safely say Mac cripples itself, and can no way live up to the myth that it somehow does a better job at editting Photo's, Audio, and Video. (Besides, why would that be amazing on todays hardware capability?)



My old p4 3ghzHT, 1gb RAM 64mb ATI radeon 9600 laptop still renders video and audio at the speed of a click (right clicks too, haha). And that thing hasnt been new since... 2002? 2003?

Ran photoshop CS no problem aswell. Its not geared for the newest software, but to put it shortly. Why would I need a Mac to do something an 8 year old laptop can accomplish?

(It also runs oblivion on high graphics at widescreen resolution with some old set of omega drivers. Not bad for a card I believe is below system Req's)

[Apex Sammoth]

jdfox37 wrote...

I don't even understand why this is a serious post. First guess... Troll.

Otherwise everything PC users have said about Mac's and their owners is true. Why would Bioware even bother? Mac would probably CHARGE them to use any dev tools they have for OSX games.

Also, as someone who has used (no longer current) Mac and Windows machines... I can safely say Mac cripples itself, and can no way live up to the myth that it somehow does a better job at editting Photo's, Audio, and Video. (Besides, why would that be amazing on todays hardware capability?)

My old p4 3ghzHT, 1gb RAM 64mb ATI radeon 9600 laptop still renders video and audio at the speed of a click (right clicks too, haha). And that thing hasnt been new since... 2002? 2003?
Ran photoshop CS no problem aswell. Its not geared for the newest software, but to put it shortly. Why would I need a Mac to do something an 8 year old laptop can accomplish?
(It also runs oblivion on high graphics at widescreen resolution with some old set of omega drivers. Not bad for a card I believe is below system Req's)

The Reason this thread is serious lol. Is because Mac Fanboys have to prove something...."Like Macs are better then PC" Seriously who gives a  Rats  about Macs. Bioware didn't make the game for it then contact them don't come here and start whining about and telling Bioware to get a "CUE". I really wish Mac Fanboys would get a clue. That Gamming is a PC dominated market. They Develop the games on PC for PC and Counsles.

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[Kwonne]

kellkat2 wrote...

Make this game Mac compatible. I would so play it. You're losing out on a large data base and $$.

What database?

You mean customerbase?

[Drag0n-RD]

kellkat2 wrote...

Kelston - I am not even close to elite. It's just a simple truth that Macs are better quality in the long run. I switched 2 years ago and haven't regretted one single minute.

I'd rather pay now than pay later with cheaply built, inferior quality that requires constant maintenance.

Right here we go. First of all you are paying that price for NO GAIN. Macs are basically PC's now considering Apple saw the light and decided to let Intel in. Had you bothered to have looked around before spouting this crap you're posting you would have likely found Hackint0sh ~ yes OS X running on PCs. More amusing is last time I bothered to check it had some AMD support. It's far from perfect but an awful lot better than spending a couple of thousand on what is basically just a nice looking case and a reasonable operating system.

My PC isn't cheaply built and is of far superior quality to your mac. Why? I brought the components to put in it there for I know of the build quality from various hardware manufacturers. 

Smart home-users that don't require video editing use PC's. I'm sorry but its just true I really don't have a problem with Macs but you seem completely Anti-MS. In fact why not just run windows on that mac?....ohhhh wait you were one of THOSE mac users right? r0flol

Modifié par Drag0n-RD, 15 novembre 2009 - 10:48 .

[casadechrisso]

Otherwise everything PC users have said about Mac's and their owners is true. Why would Bioware even bother? Mac would probably CHARGE them to use any dev tools they have for OSX games.

And again one can just talk to a wall instead of bringing some reason into this discussion... you both are wrong, the Mac elitist on the one side who has no clue about PCs, and the PC gamer on the other side who has no clue about Macs. If you guys would at least read before posting.
You're free to hate the other OS or product as much as you like, but this one quote here is absolutely bogus, if you've read my comment just one post earlier you'd know at least that every single Bioware game but Mass Effect was ported to the Mac. So this comment is fubar.

Modifié par casadechrisso, 15 novembre 2009 - 11:03 .

[FatedHeart]

kellkat2 wrote...

JigPig - I'll put my Mac up against a PC any day. Graphics are awesome and no viruses/worms/or hackers to worry about. So laugh out of your other.... hole.

For the record, got an extra three months extension of my final year project because me and a few mates hacked three floors of macs at our uni using a self applied virus... so there are viruses and hackers for macs.. you just dont have the option of knowing when there on there ;]

[Ezohiguma]

I've crashed Macs in the past. They're not more stable, not faster, not anything. You only have less hackers and viruses because most virus writers want to do a lot of damage, thus they target the biggest population. If there would be more Macs than PCs there would be more viruses for Mac. That simple.

[dragoaskani]

Well if the mac is so superior why don't you and the other 5 mac owners go and ask more companies to make their games "mac compatible"

[casadechrisso]

What the hell has that to do with a Dragon Age port for Mac anyway...

My Mac crashes now and then, my Windows crashes now and then, what's the point? No one forces you to buy a machine you don't like. No reason to deny some people their wish for a DA port though, just because you think their computer sucks.

[FumbDucks]

Linux is better than mac OS/X and Windows combined (not that you could/would combine them but for the sake of my argument).....Too bad no big companies will support Linux.

[wrexingcrew]

Therealdjango wrote...



There is no way to do any professional audio or video work in Windows but hey there are great games !

I take it you're not a recording engineer, or you're a bad one, because that's 100% false. Anyone who can't do professional audio work on inexpensive/widely available Windows DAWs doesn't know what they're doing and/or has bad equipment. Since Pro Tools is the industry standard and is also available for Windows, I find your point even more confusing (not that Pro Tools is actually worth the money or should still be the standard, particularly since it is limited to 24 bit, and Audition 3 delivers 32 at a fraction of the cost). People keep repeating this kind of falsehood, presumably because of advertising, or out of some strange, willful disregard for reality in favor of their preferences. As with gaming, you can build a much cheaper audio PC rig that delivers better results relative to a Mac.



Anyway, I'll say again that I have no problem with games being available for Macs - I grew up in part playing games on a Mac. There are advantages and disadvantages to both, and wider availability of great games is a plus rather than a minus (although it may not be in a business sense for BioWare, as we've discussed). The aggressive irrationality of Mac users in this thread is probably not winning many people over, though.

[MacAttack001]

Every time I see one of the Mac ads on tv I think back to an internet clip that this Mac user put together...really funny stuff. He basically goes through the problems that Mac's had at that time and ends up beating his Mac to death.



I don't have the link for it anymore but I did download it...too much profanity to throw it out here though. I don't want the Mods putting the smack down on me. Might be able to do a Google for it.

[daem3an]

Yet another amusing thread. Well, I'm off to play some more DAO... on my mac.

[MacAttack001]

I second wrexingcrew statement...



I do 3D graphics (Cararra 7 Pro), HD and sound mixing on my pc with excellent results.



Did Vista suck?

Yes...it did. Windows 7 seems to be far superior to Vista (it certainly isn't the resource hog that Vista was).



Are PC's perfect?

No, but last time I checked Mac's have problems too.

[MacAttack001]

I second wrexingcrew statement...



I do 3D graphics (Cararra 7 Pro), HD and sound mixing on my pc with excellent results.



Did Vista suck?

Yes...it did. Windows 7 seems to be far superior to Vista (it certainly isn't the resource hog that Vista was).



Are PC's perfect?

No, but last time I checked Mac's have problems too.

[casadechrisso]

People on both sides make false accusations in this thread, and the aggressive irrationality can also be found in the many replies to those Mac elitists. I usually try to keep out of this crap and I hate Mac evangelism as much as most PC users, however I happen to have a Mac here and I'm just getting mad about some of the pointless accusations thrown at Mac users in general. I'm not an evangelist, I also used to build PCs for gaming and liked them, but I can't deny I have a few reasons to like my Mac too and I take a few of the comments here personal, even if they were directed at others. So, in a way, the attitude of some Mac users ruins my mood on some boards, because they make a silly remark about Macs being totally über, they get flamed for it with a good reason, but the replies of the PC folks are of a similar stupidity that makes me step in and make my comments again. Gah.

If we could just get back to the issue of porting the game over now... if enough Mac users are interested and EA is aware of it, they'll get a port. Simple as that. EA throws a lot of AAA games on the Mac side, sadly it's mostly stuff like the Sims, Harry Potter or Call of Duty, but after enough Mac users asked for it NWN2 was ported too, so why not trying it. Personally, I'm happy with Windows gaming and couldn't care less for a Mac port, but I'm a happy supporter of those who ask. Just stop making a stupid flamewar out of it, if you start your request with pointing out the superiority of your system, you will get flamed, hell, that's the most simple rule and yet still nobody gets it...

[addiction21]

casadechrisso wrote...

People on both sides make false accusations in this thread, and the aggressive irrationality can also be found in the many replies to those Mac elitists. I usually try to keep out of this crap and I hate Mac evangelism as much as most PC users, however I happen to have a Mac here and I'm just getting mad about some of the pointless accusations thrown at Mac users in general. I'm not an evangelist, I also used to build PCs for gaming and liked them, but I can't deny I have a few reasons to like my Mac too and I take a few of the comments here personal, even if they were directed at others. So, in a way, the attitude of some Mac users ruins my mood on some boards, because they make a silly remark about Macs being totally über, they get flamed for it with a good reason, but the replies of the PC folks are of a similar stupidity that makes me step in and make my comments again. Gah.
If we could just get back to the issue of porting the game over now... if enough Mac users are interested and EA is aware of it, they'll get a port. Simple as that. EA throws a lot of AAA games on the Mac side, sadly it's mostly stuff like the Sims, Harry Potter or Call of Duty, but after enough Mac users asked for it NWN2 was ported too, so why not trying it. Personally, I'm happy with Windows gaming and couldn't care less for a Mac port, but I'm a happy supporter of those who ask. Just stop making a stupid flamewar out of it, if you start your request with pointing out the superiority of your system, you will get flamed, hell, that's the most simple rule and yet still nobody gets it...

I can sum it up in a word...  hubris

[MacAttack001]

Sorry about the double post.

[wrexingcrew]

casadechrisso wrote...

People on both sides make false accusations in this thread, and the aggressive irrationality can also be found in the many replies to those Mac elitists.

Since you echoed my language, I'm assuming that was a response to me - I'm not clear where we disagree.  I first commented in this thread to disagree with a PC user that was knocking Mac-exclusive software.   Amusingly, my defense of Logic Pro as a "great" program (although not quite as good as Live in my opinion) in part prompted Therealdjango's comments about LIve and Windows being unable to produce professional audio work - which I then replied to, which prompted your response.  I generally do my best to correct obvious misstatements, and that's about the only dog I have in this fight.

[LSDS]

jdfox37 wrote...

Why would Bioware even bother?

I dunno, but a quick search revealed that NWN, NWN2, BG, BG2, KotOR, and JE all had Mac versions.  So a Mac version of DA:O isn't so far fetched unless EA has a problem with it.

There are actually a lot of Mac games but they can be hard to find if you don't know where to look.  Of course there's still more available for PC.

[daem3an]

In my experience, it's Mac users that give Mac users a bad name. This is such an old pointless argument and these threads are always filled with bad manners and misinformation. I've been using both platforms forever. As far as I'm concerned they're just 2 different tools that both do the same job.

I thought about building/buying a separate gaming pc, but why would I, when I can use the mac for work and for gaming. What's weird is when people with the exact same hardware running Windows will still claim one is superior. Building a pc is always cheaper, but to dispel another myth, when I bought this mac the equivalent pre-built machine from Dell was even more expensive. All I can do is shrug. I can play every game I own on max settings at 1920x1200, but people will still insist it's not a 'gaming' machine. At that point logic isn't really entering the equation.

As far as the need for a mac port, I don't see it, but I'm not against it. Since I can run Windows and OSX on the same machine, I'd rather play games in their native Windows format than wait years for a mac port that has all the buggy issues of a new release and is years behind in content. Mac users aren't missing out on anything if they're willing to install Windows. I'm not sure why developers continue to spend money on mac ports, but there must be money in it or they wouldn't be doing it.

Modifié par daem3an, 16 novembre 2009 - 02:58 .

[addiction21]

daem3an wrote...

In my experience, it's Mac users that give Mac users a bad name.

Apple does a pretty good job of it also with their propaganda.

[daem3an]

addiction21 wrote...

daem3an wrote...
In my experience, it's Mac users that give Mac users a bad name.

Apple does a pretty good job of it also with their propaganda.

As a marketing/branding strategy it seems to work for them, ...but I don't disagree.

[casadechrisso]

wrexingcrew wrote...
Since you echoed my language, I'm assuming that was a response to me - I'm not clear where we disagree.

It was a general statement, triggered by your post but not that directly aimed at your argument about sound design. You generalized the irattionality of Mac users while apparently you meant a single one, that's all, and no big issue to fight over I guess. I can't add anything to your discussion about Logic vs. whatever since I know next to nothing about sound engineering. And I also won't get started about why I like my Mac more than a PC in many situations, since it's pointless and not adding anything to this thread at all.

[casadechrisso]

addiction21 wrote...

daem3an wrote...

In my experience, it's Mac users that give Mac users a bad name.

Apple does a pretty good job of it also with their propaganda.

While I'm certainly not a big fan of Apple's advertising, it's simply that - advertising. Microsoft does the same, other companies do it, why shouldn't Apple? What would you do if you ran a company and would like a bigger piece of the cake? Tell the people that the product of your competitor is better?