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[LeviathanZero]

I'm on my Adept Insanity playthrough, and I've just finished Horizon.
Took me half a dozen goes to get past the first 'wave' of the last battle (the one with the dozen odd husks and two Scions).

On previous difficulties I could just drop a singularity and that took care of them all, but with their armor I'm having to shoot (or have Mordin Incinerate) their armor and then use push to finish them off. It's workable, but if one ever gets within melee I'm doomed. Heck, one busted GRUNT in hand to hand in less time than it took to write this sentence o.O.

And man, I've always hated Scions but two at once on Insanity is ouch, that shockwave really should obey line of effect rules ><

[mokponobi]

Heavy pistols will strip their armor in 1 or 2 shots, then follow with a throw, rinse and repeat.

[kstarler]

If you have the levels to max Incinerate on Mordin, Incineration Blast will usually strip all the armor from a group of husks, and you can follow it up with a pull/throw field or singularity. I do understand about the shockwaves. I seem to have better luck avoiding them as long as I've got the scions in my field of vision. I think the computer leads you if the animation isn't visible. Or, in other words, if you aren't watching them, they will fire their shockwave at the area where you are headed, instead of firing it at you.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Try to funnel the Husks up the various stairs. This should help protect you from the Scion shots by keeping you on elevated ground.

[LeviathanZero]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

Try to funnel the Husks up the various stairs. This should help protect you from the Scion shots by keeping you on elevated ground.

Huh. You know, I never thought of using elevation against Scions. Go me!
I kept trying the usual "Put a huge pile of crates etc between me and them" but of course that doesn't work. If you're actually 'ducked down in cover' the shockwave won't hit you, but if you're not, then you're boned.

mokponobi wrote...

Heavy pistols will strip their armor in 1 or 2 shots, then follow with a throw, rinse and repeat.

*Nods* I may see which one ends up faster for me, 1-2 shots from a pistol or about a second worth of SMG fire.

kstarler wrote...

If you have the levels to max Incinerate on Mordin, Incineration Blast will usually strip all the armor from a group of husks, and you can follow it up with a pull/throw field or singularity.

This one will be my main method in later collector areas where the husks come in groups, unfortunately (at least the way I was doing it) on Horizon the husks left enough space between themselves most of the time that this didn't work. Admittedly it may have just as much to do with me speccing Mordin into Heavy Incinerate rather than Area.

[Veovim]

If you're feeling bold, it's actually not that hard to take on husks up close so long as they're not bunched up (you want them coming at you one or at most two at a time). The trick is to time a punch so that it hits them right before their own swing connects, then use the stagger to quickly strip their armor and finish them with throw/pull. This is easier with a shotgun, but the shuriken is pretty good up close. Just be careful not to stand still for too long--as you've noticed, Scion shockwave is an incredibly cheap move.



(Note: you may need to pause for a split second after stripping armor before the game will recognize that your biotics should work)

[thisisme8]

Easiest way to beat that part without the Cain:

1: Take the avalanche and ruin the Husk's day.

2: Line up the Scions where the far one is directly behind the close one. This will make the far one unable to attack since enemy A.I. won't allow friendly fire. Finally, get close enough to the Scion to trigger its close range attack and back off while shooting and using powers as necessary. Rinse repeat till dead, then close in on the second.

I may have a vid somewhere on this. Will post if I find it.

Edit:  You'll notice in this vid here that I also use Garen's Concussive blast to distract it before it shoots.  As an Adept, you won't have Charge, but your Warp and pistol should make quick work of them.

Modifié par thisisme8, 08 février 2011 - 05:33 .

[LeviathanZero]

The way I finally beat it was to take a left when you first walk into the area, have myself & grunt climb into the flatbed of the trailer and hunker down, while Mordin sat behind the crate barrier midway between us and the stairs the husks usually come down.



Then we just picked apart the husks with the ole Incinerate+Throw and SMG+Throw one-two combos. When the Scions started getting closer, I sprinted for the opposite corner while the other two finished off the husks and.. ahem.. "Drew the attention" of the Scions. It was then a few (read: Dozen or so) nice laps around the area using angled warps to hit them around crates and long range SMG fire when I was out of their range (yay for Grunt's squad inferno ammo outliving him).



Pretty much the same method I used to beat the Praetorian at the end (forgot to swap to the Cain. Oops).

[Bluko]

Funny I just started an Adept Insanity run a few days ago. So far I've noticed most of the game is easier then playing as a Soldier actually. Though Husks are a tad more problematic as an Adept.

Still on Horizon I basically resigned myself to running around the Scions in a circle shooting the Husks. Scions seem to be able to hit you behind just about anything and the Husks will just swarm so I just start running like Forest Gump. Once all the Husks are dead I kill the Scions. Oh how I love Scions and their freeze cannon shockwave.

[CitizenThom]

Getting on any of the elevated areas goes a long way against Scions....except for the ones you bump into on the ancient reaper ship near the ened of the game. For some reason, shockwaves are able to go up a set of stairs and then flat along a platform on that ship. Haven't even tried it on Insanity yet.

[Bogsnot1]

The "cheesey" method:

Just after you open the door, and before you go in, look very carefully and you can see parts of the scions poking out from behind the wall with the computer terminal you have to hack.

Careful aiming, and power curving, you can take down the scions before you even go through the door. Once thats done, it prevents the husks from spawning, giving you a clear run to the terminal.

As i said, cheesey, but it works if you arent having much luck doing it properly.

[keboo]

Or use Arc Projector, it will strip their armor in one shot I think.

[JediNg]

Haven't gotten there with my Adept yet - but I did have trouble on Hardcore D:

[termokanden]

I find that particular battle to be one of the most fun in the game because you can't just finish this one by staying behind the same cover the whole time (you actually can in almost the whole game). In other fights against husks, you can generally just keep moving and you won't get hit. Here you have limited space and those insane shockwaves to deal with as well.



I deal with it by having several anti-armor abilities and short cooldown biotics. It's easy enough if you are very precise.

[Roxlimn]

For this mission I like using Jacob or Grunt with Squad Incineration Ammo. With this on a Predator, you can shoot off Husk armor in one shot on Hardcore, I believe. Shoot, Throw, Shoot, Throw, Shoot Throw.

[Sailears]

Have you got pull? The ultimate (non heavy weapon) husk killer - melee/shoot/strip -> pull, (IMO of course) . Should be a few videos of that tactic on youtube. Only need 1pt pull, though of course pull field will make things even quicker.
Of course abominations you want to throw, or risk them blowing up in you face!

[Roxlimn]

Oh no! Abominations you want to Warp Bomb. They're the only Husk type you can do that on since every other Husk just dies to Pull. An Abomination in the middle of a Husk swarm is s juicy, juicy target.

[Evilsod]

I just set up my squad behind the crate to the side on the right, hid behind the object with the exploding canister on it (after blowing it up obviously) then dispatched the Husks. Once they were dead i ran around the outside, went behind the platform in the centre and hacked the Computer through the wall. Instantly progresses to the next fight and removes the Scions.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

keboo wrote...

Or use Arc Projector, it will strip their armor in one shot I think.

The trouble with the AP is its long charge time. The Avalanche is good b/c its rapid fire and single uncharged shots usually strip husk armor in one shot or so.


Since it hasn't been mentioned, Revenant Soldiers can blow through the IFF mission in spectacular fashion with Inferno ammo and a cc combo team.

[Gravbh]

Try and funnel them down a narrow path. Manually place your squad as well. I like to put mordin beside me and grunt slightly in front with his clamore. Throw a heavy singularity down and just use mordin's incinerate/pistol to take off their armor. Anything that does get past the singularity grunt can basically one shot with his shotgun. If not, he can take a few hits allowing you to throw another singularity down. Squad incendiary ammo helps. You could also use Jacob in place of grunt. He's not as sturdy, but he still has squad ammo and can have an extra pull field.

Singularity + incineration blast is great when you're swarmed as well. Singularity traps the husks for a moment even if they still have armor. Stasis helps a great deal against scions as well. One point is enough if you don't mind cheesing it and taking advantage of the bug increasing damage when they fall. Deep stasis allows you to almost entirely forget about one of the scions when faced with two.

The correct squad selection/control makes things much easier. Thats true for everything the adept does, but especially with husks.

Modifié par Gravbh, 08 février 2011 - 05:37 .

[Praetor Knight]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

keboo wrote...

Or use Arc Projector, it will strip their armor in one shot I think.

The trouble with the AP is its long charge time. The Avalanche is good b/c its rapid fire and single uncharged shots usually strip husk armor in one shot or so.


Since it hasn't been mentioned, Revenant Soldiers can blow through the IFF mission in spectacular fashion with Inferno ammo and a cc combo team.

Even faster with squad cryo.
Only worry then are the Scions and the rooms are so long you can perform a tactical retreat and snipe the dangling head on the left side with an Inferno armed Sniper Rifle on any difficulty.

[ryoldschool]

@thisisme8 That vid is cool. I usually go to the ramp on left of entrance, wait for the husks to collect around the two scions, then spend about 10 Avalanche shots to freeze all the husks - it takes quite a bit of the armor off the Scions also. The avalanche is my anti-husk weapon of choice.



Also the elevation thing - what are you guys talking about? When I am on the platform on the left of the field ( where the health pack is ) if I am standing up ( not ducked into cover ) the shockwave can easily kill you.



@bigsnot1 - the "cheesy" method, yes when I heard about that I did that a couple times - it takes forever to kill them with incenerate. But I was cheating myself out of one of the best fights in the game. Now I kinda look forward to seeing how well I play that section each time.

[kstarler]

ryoldschool wrote...

Also the elevation thing - what are you guys talking about? When I am on the platform on the left of the field ( where the health pack is ) if I am standing up ( not ducked into cover ) the shockwave can easily kill you.

I think it is based on hiding in the cover to avoid the Shockwave. Normally, Shockwave is only stopped by full (standing) cover, not half (crouching) cover. However, because it's higher up, the half cover in that area works to avoid the Shockwave, making it easier to pop out of cover, fire, and pop back into cover.

Modifié par kstarler, 08 février 2011 - 08:19 .

[ryoldschool]

@kstarler thanks.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

kstarler wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

Also the elevation thing - what are you guys talking about? When I am on the platform on the left of the field ( where the health pack is ) if I am standing up ( not ducked into cover ) the shockwave can easily kill you.

I think it is based on hiding in the cover to avoid the Shockwave. Normally, Shockwave is only stopped by full (standing) cover, not half (crouching) cover. However, because it's higher up, the half cover in that area works to avoid the Shockwave, making it easier to pop out of cover, fire, and pop back into cover.

It's not just that. If you are elevated, with a large enough space below, you can avoid the shockwave's AoE as it passes underneath. There should be a few parts of the IFF mission where scions spawn from the side of a platform and can't hit you b/c of a gap.*


*The easiest place to see this is actually on the Horizon mission, just before you reach the turret controls. If you flank left onto the elevated prefab, you and your squad can avoid almost (75-90%) all of the Scion's shots while it and Harbringer slowly shamble over from across the field.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 09 février 2011 - 04:23 .