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[samurai crusade]

Firepower is always good in a fight. And the Destiny Ascension will be a valuable tool in the fight against the Reapers...... however, conventional weapons arn't that great against the Reapers... so unless the Ascension upgrades to a thanix cannon or something else.... it's not a one-ship Reaper killer.

[shoggoth1890]

Nah, closer to Chekhov's Gun than Fridge Brilliance

[naledgeborn]

shoggoth1890 wrote...

Nah, closer to Chekhov's Gun than Fridge Brilliance

You're right, but you know what I meant.

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Thank you for the idea, OP - I love it.

[candidate88766]

^ Thanks! Some people seem to think Bioware has left no way for the reapers to be defeated without introducing some kind of deus-ex-machinima, but I think they've been leaving hints all along.



Also, to the poster who mentioned fridge brilliance - read this page on tv tropes about appearances of fridge brilliance in Mass Effect, a lot of things really begin to make a lot more sense and the story of ME2 isn't as simple as some on these forums would have you believe: http://tvtropes.org/...idge/MassEffect

[Whatever42]

Earth will be saved regardless of paragon/renegade actions. Bioware will not punish/reward one style of play that way. Paragons are not playing to die heroic deaths, Renegades are not playing to watch the Earth burn. Both are playing to save the earth and survive if possible. Both will have the same ending.



Now the flavour of that ending will vary - significantly I hope. In a paragon ending, it very well could be the destiny ascension that comes to save the day. In a renegade ending, maybe its a baby Reaper made by the illusive dude. If you were neutral, killing the council but screwing TIM, maybe it some choice in ME3. If you sucked up to both, maybe its both.

[Whatever42]

candidate88766 wrote...

^ Thanks! Some people seem to think Bioware has left no way for the reapers to be defeated without introducing some kind of deus-ex-machinima, but I think they've been leaving hints all along.

Also, to the poster who mentioned fridge brilliance - read this page on tv tropes about appearances of fridge brilliance in Mass Effect, a lot of things really begin to make a lot more sense and the story of ME2 isn't as simple as some on these forums would have you believe: http://tvtropes.org/...idge/MassEffect

My pet theory is that it has something to do with the indoctrination fields. The same fields that screw so much with us were actually designed to keep the nation of cyborg minds within each Reaper as part of the borg-like group mind. Deal with the field and you create chaos within the Reaper.

[Silmane]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Earth will be saved regardless of paragon/renegade actions. Bioware will not punish/reward one style of play that way. Paragons are not playing to die heroic deaths, Renegades are not playing to watch the Earth burn. Both are playing to save the earth and survive if possible. Both will have the same ending.

Now the flavour of that ending will vary - significantly I hope. In a paragon ending, it very well could be the destiny ascension that comes to save the day. In a renegade ending, maybe its a baby Reaper made by the illusive dude. If you were neutral, killing the council but screwing TIM, maybe it some choice in ME3. If you sucked up to both, maybe its both.

I can't say you're right or wrong in regards to Earth being saved, but I hope you're wrong. 

[Big stupid jellyfish]

@Whatever666343431431654324

Yes, I also think that decisions made in ME1 and ME2 won't drastically affect the outcome of the battle with the Reapers, or Earth's fate. That would be unfair; and not very clever, since some would be creating new Shepards with default preset story. Still, they may - and I hope, would - add flavour to the battle.

And Destiny's Ascension would be a great reward for Paragons.

[Whatever42]

Silmane wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Earth will be saved regardless of paragon/renegade actions. Bioware will not punish/reward one style of play that way. Paragons are not playing to die heroic deaths, Renegades are not playing to watch the Earth burn. Both are playing to save the earth and survive if possible. Both will have the same ending.

Now the flavour of that ending will vary - significantly I hope. In a paragon ending, it very well could be the destiny ascension that comes to save the day. In a renegade ending, maybe its a baby Reaper made by the illusive dude. If you were neutral, killing the council but screwing TIM, maybe it some choice in ME3. If you sucked up to both, maybe its both.

I can't say you're right or wrong in regards to Earth being saved, but I hope you're wrong. 

Your suicide mission wasn't even a suicide mission. You really think that Bioware would create an unavoidable ending where the Earth goes boom? That would especially screw renegade, where humanity is really disliked and humans as space gypsies would mean extinction.

And if renegade Earth survives, that punishes paragon.

I do believe Earth can be destroyed, like Shepard can die in ME2, but it won't be the ideal ending.

[Biotic_Warlock]

The destiny ascention would be like a giant, flying asari commando made of metal and power.

[Silmane]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Silmane wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Earth will be saved regardless of paragon/renegade actions. Bioware will not punish/reward one style of play that way. Paragons are not playing to die heroic deaths, Renegades are not playing to watch the Earth burn. Both are playing to save the earth and survive if possible. Both will have the same ending.

Now the flavour of that ending will vary - significantly I hope. In a paragon ending, it very well could be the destiny ascension that comes to save the day. In a renegade ending, maybe its a baby Reaper made by the illusive dude. If you were neutral, killing the council but screwing TIM, maybe it some choice in ME3. If you sucked up to both, maybe its both.

I can't say you're right or wrong in regards to Earth being saved, but I hope you're wrong. 

Your suicide mission wasn't even a suicide mission. You really think that Bioware would create an unavoidable ending where the Earth goes boom? That would especially screw renegade, where humanity is really disliked and humans as space gypsies would mean extinction.

And if renegade Earth survives, that punishes paragon.

I do believe Earth can be destroyed, like Shepard can die in ME2, but it won't be the ideal ending.

But it was a suicide mission. The Shepard death can't stand on it's own because there's another game, but ME3 is the end. For me it IS the end. Spin offs, MMOs, whatever. I'm not into that for the ME trilogy. 

I don't want it to be all smiles and sunshine in the end. I want my Shepard to put an end to the Reaper threat, yes, but I can't stand the idea that a machine race has been wiping the galaxy clean for millions of years and we come in and stop them without taking any huge loss. Earth has to go.

[Whatever42]

Fair enough. I understand and even somewhat share your sentiment. And there will be huge losses, I suspect millions or even billions will die and the fleets of the galaxy will get beaten up bad.



But complete carnage? Destruction of Earth? I doubt the large majority of ME players would enjoy the experience. Heck, even the very bleak Fallout 3 players absolutely hated the mandatory sacrifice ending and Bethesda retconned it.



Sorry, there will be smiles at the end.

[Silmane]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Fair enough. I understand and even somewhat share your sentiment. And there will be huge losses, I suspect millions or even billions will die and the fleets of the galaxy will get beaten up bad.

But complete carnage? Destruction of Earth? I doubt the large majority of ME players would enjoy the experience. Heck, even the very bleak Fallout 3 players absolutely hated the mandatory sacrifice ending and Bethesda retconned it.

Sorry, there will be smiles at the end.

I'm having this conversation with someone else, too, and I'm not even going for a complete destruction of Earth. I really don't even want the entire population wiped out. I think it should be lost in the war, though. I think the humans would have to start from the beginning when it comes to what they had before, Megacities and such. Our political outreach would be really small, too.

If the Reapers use the Relays to get to us, they have to go through Arcturus. I really hope they set this up for a massive war at Arcturus in which you fight alongside Hackett and, if you're Spacer, Hannah Shepard. The Alliance would be crippled if they got through to Earth. That's a loss in itself. 

If you remember the Soveriegn explosion in ME1, you know that the explosion is big. If we blow up Reapers on Earth, people are gonna be wiped out. Big time. I'm really hoping we don't 'disable' the Reapers from the inside, either. The SR2 is a beast now. Use it. 

We all get our smiles somehow. I hope Bioware finds a good middle ground. However, ME is a great series and I'll like it either way. I just have dreams.

[AkiKishi]

Silmane wrote...

But it was a suicide mission. The Shepard death can't stand on it's own because there's another game, but ME3 is the end. For me it IS the end. Spin offs, MMOs, whatever. I'm not into that for the ME trilogy. 

I don't want it to be all smiles and sunshine in the end. I want my Shepard to put an end to the Reaper threat, yes, but I can't stand the idea that a machine race has been wiping the galaxy clean for millions of years and we come in and stop them without taking any huge loss. Earth has to go.

We know they are going to milk the cashcow as long they can. These are the guys who bought up the football franchice so they could release the same game every year after all.

I completely agree with you though unless stopping the Reapers carries a high price then it makes the whole ME series a complete joke.  I'm expecting something lame like War of the Worlds.

[Confused_Shepard]

The destruction of the Earth in the first 30 minutes of the game would be the most awe inspiring and horrific things imaginable. It would be a message. WE ARE THE REAPERS AND WE ARE HERE TO DESTROY YOU ALL!!!"

Think about it. They were so annoyed with our species that they finally decided to glass a planet. It would be better than Vulcan being destroyed in Star Trek. It would be epic! It would set the stage for the rest of the game and the total death toll will be decided by our choices. Worst Case Scenario. We Lose.

THAT IS WHAT I WANT FOR MASS EFFECT 3!!
SHOW SOME GODDAMN AMBITION BIOWARE!!!
CUT THE ROMANCES IF YOU HAVE TOO!!

Modifié par Confused_Shepard, 08 février 2011 - 04:27 .

[jbblue05]

Reaper Shields are impervous to dreadnought fire.



The DA can't one-shot a Reaper



A Reaper can one-shot the DA no roblem



I do think the DA is going to sacrifice themselves for Shepard or the Alliance to reward paragons

[AkiKishi]

jbblue05 wrote...

Reaper Shields are impervous to dreadnought fire.

The DA can't one-shot a Reaper

A Reaper can one-shot the DA no roblem

I do think the DA is going to sacrifice themselves for Shepard or the Alliance to reward paragons

But will they be immune to Thanix Cannons? 

Sovereign probably shot at it and it's still around.

Again never been seen. but shields and armour has been upgraded since then.

I do want the DA to show it's stuff in the sort of engagement it was designed and not the scrappy dog fight in ME1.

Thinking about it , if the Reapers "evolve" by assimiliating reaped races tech, they are no stronger than sovereign was at the time. Where as everything else has had an upgrade. Collector ship Reaper tech presumately the latest, totally blown away by the new upgraded Normandy when the old one could not last long enough to graze it.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 08 février 2011 - 04:37 .

[Whatever42]

Thanix cannons are based off Reaper tech. I would assume Reapers know how to defend against their own weaponry. It will give the galactic fleet a shot, they won't be completely ineffective, but Shep will need to save the day by in some other fashion crippling the Reapers. Again, my bet is something to do with the indoctrination fields. But perhaps it has something to do with the dark energy theme in ME2. But it will have had foreshadowing - its in the game somewhere.

Confused_Shepard wrote...



The destruction of the Earth in the first 30 minutes of the game would be the most awe inspiring and horrific things imaginable. It would be a message. WE ARE THE REAPERS AND WE ARE HERE TO DESTROY YOU ALL!!!"

Don't get your hopes up. Seriously. Bioware will not make all the renegade and paragon choices you make through 2 games are all meaningless by extinguishing humanity or reducing to homeless gypies? This is KotoR, not Halo.

[Barquiel]

The asari should certainly upgrade their flagship...a pointless victory cruise is not really helpful.

[AkiKishi]

[quote]Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Thanix cannons are based off Reaper tech. I would assume Reapers know how to defend against their own weaponry. It will give the galactic fleet a shot, they won't be completely ineffective, but Shep will need to save the day by in some other fashion crippling the Reapers. Again, my bet is something to do with the indoctrination fields. But perhaps it has something to do with the dark energy theme in ME2. But it will have had foreshadowing - its in the game somewhere.

[quote]

You would think that would be the case, but it totally did a number on the collector ship which is also Reaper tech.

My theory is that Reaper#1 controls it all. You will get inside Reaper#1 kill whatever is at the core, probably a squid thing just like you did the other Reapers.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 08 février 2011 - 04:44 .

[Big stupid jellyfish]

I just wanted to add that Collectors used Reaper tech as well, and Thannix cannon worked just fine... Ninja'd by BobSmith101.

But once again, we agreed that choices made in ME1 and ME2 are unlikely to drastically change the final battle. So I don't see anything wrong with DA's cannons being imperfect. This way it would be useful against Reapers but won't screw those who didn't save it in ME1.

[jbblue05]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Reaper Shields are impervous to dreadnought fire.

The DA can't one-shot a Reaper

A Reaper can one-shot the DA no roblem

I do think the DA is going to sacrifice themselves for Shepard or the Alliance to reward paragons

But will they be immune to Thanix Cannons? 

Sovereign probably shot at it and it's still around.

Again never been seen. but shields and armour has been upgraded since then.

I do want the DA to show it's stuff in the sort of engagement it was designed and not the scrappy dog fight in ME1.

Thinking about it , if the Reapers "evolve" by assimiliating reaped races tech, they are no stronger than sovereign was at the time. Where as everything else has had an upgrade. Collector ship Reaper tech presumately the latest, totally blown away by the new upgraded Normandy when the old one could not last long enough to graze it.

The DA had plot armor.  Sovereign never attacked  it.

Reaper have STRONG Shields  and the THanix Cannon SHepard used took 2 Shots to kill a collector Cruiser that probably didn't give its kinetic barriers time to recharge.
Reapers are Super Dreadnoughts that dwarf the DA many times over their not going to be easy to take down

Soveregin was just one Reaper now their are hundreds maybe thousands.
I expect the Organics to get owned

[Destroy Raiden_]

I blew it up.

[AkiKishi]

jbblue05 wrote...

The DA had plot armor.  Sovereign never attacked  it.

Reaper have STRONG Shields  and the THanix Cannon SHepard used took 2 Shots to kill a collector Cruiser that probably didn't give its kinetic barriers time to recharge.
Reapers are Super Dreadnoughts that dwarf the DA many times over their not going to be easy to take down

Soveregin was just one Reaper now their are hundreds maybe thousands.
I expect the Organics to get owned

Proof?

Normandy is a very small ship the collector ship is a very big ship. The DA is an extremely big ship , do the math.

I calculated around 740 I could be wrong of course but that seems to fit all what is known about Reapers and Reaper tactics.