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[Whatever42]

The Thanix can fire reliably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower but mountable on a fighter or frigate. (Codex)



Sovereign stood against the entire alliance fleet and shrugged them off, which included dreadnaughts and cruisers. It's own cannons were far more powerful and it had several. Even if based on Reaper tech, the Thanix isn't going to win the battle for the galactic fleets.



Besides, if the thanix was all it took to win then why have Shep hang around?

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

I blew it up.

I didn't.

[jbblue05]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

The DA had plot armor.  Sovereign never attacked  it.

Reaper have STRONG Shields  and the THanix Cannon SHepard used took 2 Shots to kill a collector Cruiser that probably didn't give its kinetic barriers time to recharge.
Reapers are Super Dreadnoughts that dwarf the DA many times over their not going to be easy to take down

Soveregin was just one Reaper now their are hundreds maybe thousands.
I expect the Organics to get owned

Proof?

Normandy is a very small ship the collector ship is a very big ship. The DA is an extremely big ship , do the math.

I calculated around 740 I could be wrong of course but that seems to fit all what is known about Reapers and Reaper tactics.

Sovereign was one-shotting Heavy Cruisers left and right.
If he attacked the DA the DA wouldn't need to be rescued it would be dead.
Each of Sovereign's tentacles can shoot a thanix cannon if it really wanted to take out the DA it would've

The Normandy has a very underpowered version of the Reaper Thanix Cannon. THe Collector Cruiser didn't have its shields up and is not a Reaper ship. The Collector Cruiser is meant for harvesting.

It took 2 shots to take down the Collector Cruiser and Soverign one-shotted everything in sight  do-the-math
Sovereign could ram the DA it and outright destroy  it.

[AkiKishi]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

The Thanix can fire reliably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower but mountable on a fighter or frigate. (Codex)

Sovereign stood against the entire alliance fleet and shrugged them off, which included dreadnaughts and cruisers. It's own cannons were far more powerful and it had several. Even if based on Reaper tech, the Thanix isn't going to win the battle for the galactic fleets.

Besides, if the thanix was all it took to win then why have Shep hang around?

I don't think it will win it, but it will make it a fight. I think in the end whatever happens the boss battle is going to be one of those toe to toe affairs like in almost every other RPG ever made. But you do need a plausible way to get to that point. ME 2 gave us that when we went up against Reaper tech and won.

jbblue05 wrote...
The Normandy has a very underpowered version of the Reaper Thanix Cannon. THe Collector Cruiser didn't have its shields up and is not a Reaper ship. The Collector Cruiser is meant for harvesting.

The DA however would not have an underpowered version if Normandy's underpowered cannon could do that, DA's cannon would have blown the collector ship to atoms.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 08 février 2011 - 05:27 .

[jbblue05]

I doubt the Turians will be eager to share their tech with the other races.

By the time they share it might be too late and it will probably take a lot of resources and time to make the thanix cannons compatible with different classes of ships 

[Whatever42]

BobSmith101 wrote...

I don't think it will win it, but it will make it a fight. I think in the end whatever happens the boss battle is going to be one of those toe to toe affairs like in almost every other RPG ever made. But you do need a plausible way to get to that point. ME 2 gave us that when we went up against Reaper tech and won.

Yup, I agree. Shepard will find some way to cripple the Reaper the fleet, using some mechanism foreshadowed in the first two games, and the galactic fleet, using technology from Soveriegn and perhaps the collector base, will finish them off - much like the first game, just a far bigger scale. All the pieces will fit together in the end.

[ZLurps]

 When I imported my first Shepard who didn't save DA I recall hearing news in ME2 about Turians and Humans building new battleships to enlarge their fleets and Asari were reducing their military budget.I haven't heard those news items in my second play trough with Shepard who saved DA.
I don't recall for sure but it might be that new human and Turian ships have Thanix cannons and that has made me wonder if saving DA is going to have big impact in ME3 at all. I mean I don't know which would make stronger fleet. DA with usual support or new Human and Turian ships with Thanix cannons.

I have this awful feeling that as reward for saving the council and DA we get to witness something like:
Normandy crew: "There is still hope, look! Destiny Ascension just arrived with the fleet!"
DA fires at Reaper ship, doesn't make a dent to it shields
Normandy crew "Oh.. but maybe if they manage to hit that Reaper with second volley it will perish."
DA fires again at Reaper ship without effect except reaper accelerates towards DA and rams right through, leaving huge hole behind it
Normandy crew: "Oh shii..."
Player: "How much I regret now for letting those damn ****ers live..."

Edit: I can't Safari

Modifié par ZLurps, 08 février 2011 - 05:54 .

[AkiKishi]

jbblue05 wrote...

I doubt the Turians will be eager to share their tech with the other races.

By the time they share it might be too late and it will probably take a lot of resources and time to make the thanix cannons compatible with different classes of ships 

Remember that Taurian council member ? I'm sure he would pull all the strings he could to make the DA as impregnable as possible.

[jbblue05]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

I doubt the Turians will be eager to share their tech with the other races.

By the time they share it might be too late and it will probably take a lot of resources and time to make the thanix cannons compatible with different classes of ships 

Remember that Taurian council member ? I'm sure he would pull all the strings he could to make the DA as impregnable as possible.

Dreadnoughts are  build around the primary weapon it would be highly difficult to install a more powerful version of the Thanix Cannon.

Plus the DA is too big of a target. If the Council needs evac they should escape on a small speedy frigate 

[AkiKishi]

jbblue05 wrote...
Dreadnoughts are  build around the primary weapon it would be highly difficult to install a more powerful version of the Thanix Cannon.

Plus the DA is too big of a target. If the Council needs evac they should escape on a small speedy frigate 

Seemed easy enough on the Normany and the council have more than enough pull to get upgrades done.

Well there are two schools of thought there.

1. Put yourself on something fast
2. Put yourself on the hardest thing to kill.

Both have negatives and positives.

[jbblue05]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
Dreadnoughts are  build around the primary weapon it would be highly difficult to install a more powerful version of the Thanix Cannon.

Plus the DA is too big of a target. If the Council needs evac they should escape on a small speedy frigate 

Seemed easy enough on the Normany and the council have more than enough pull to get upgrades done.

Well there are two schools of thought there.

1. Put yourself on something fast
2. Put yourself on the hardest thing to kill.

Both have negatives and positives.

The Normandy isn't a dreadnought its a heavy frigate which means its a lot easier to modify..

Shepard has to convince the Council first.  And the only way to convince the Counil is when the Reaper Armada is kicking its ass.

The Reapers focus on the larger ships.  So I think small and speedy is the way to go..

[AkiKishi]

jbblue05 wrote...

The Normandy isn't a dreadnought its a heavy frigate which means its a lot easier to modify..

Shepard has to convince the Council first.  And the only way to convince the Counil is when the Reaper Armada is kicking its ass.

The Reapers focus on the larger ships.  So I think small and speedy is the way to go..

But Normandy does not have the same resources so it evens it out.

The council are going to sick on whatever comes along that will save their butts. They are politicians if there is one thing they excell at it it's self preservation. The DA probably had the upgrades before the Normandy since it was refited for it's system tour.

I'd take the tank over the motorbike. I prefer predictability over luck

[jbblue05]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

The Normandy isn't a dreadnought its a heavy frigate which means its a lot easier to modify..

Shepard has to convince the Council first.  And the only way to convince the Counil is when the Reaper Armada is kicking its ass.

The Reapers focus on the larger ships.  So I think small and speedy is the way to go..

But Normandy does not have the same resources so it evens it out.

The council are going to sick on whatever comes along that will save their butts. They are politicians if there is one thing they excell at it it's self preservation. The DA probably had the upgrades before the Normandy since it was refited for it's system tour.

I'd take the tank over the motorbike. I prefer predictability over luck

I always wanted to see the weapon mounted on the Reaper's spine in action.
It would completely obliterate the DA and the DA would be an excellent first victim.

The DA should be fighting Reapers not running away at the first sight of them

The DA is going down in ME3

[AkiKishi]

jbblue05 wrote...

I always wanted to see the weapon mounted on the Reaper's spine in action.
It would completely obliterate the DA and the DA would be an excellent first victim.

The DA should be fighting Reapers not running away at the first sight of them

The DA is going down in ME3

Unlikely that would make for a very undramitic cutscene(assuming that the DA or the Base is what punches the whole for you to end the game). Probably see a lot of that on the first strike on Earth though.

Based on what I've seen through ME2 I'd say the Reapers are in for a bit of a shock.

[Zing Freelancer]

We are talking on a large scale invasion. I mean, seriously guys, the fleet isnt going to win a battle. They can stale them at best, what will most likely win the battle is: Shepard finding the main reaper, going inside and turning the blasted thing off.



Or



Shepard finding the main reaper, going inside and infecting it with Geth/Quarian developed virus that causes all other Reapers to self-destruct.



tl;dr

Something similar to Independence day will happen, you go bust their "Brain Reaper" and all other reapers become weaker, then we mow them down.

[jbblue05]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

I always wanted to see the weapon mounted on the Reaper's spine in action.
It would completely obliterate the DA and the DA would be an excellent first victim.

The DA should be fighting Reapers not running away at the first sight of them

The DA is going down in ME3

Unlikely that would make for a very undramitic cutscene(assuming that the DA or the Base is what punches the whole for you to end the game). Probably see a lot of that on the first strike on Earth though.

Based on what I've seen through ME2 I'd say the Reapers are in for a bit of a shock.

Confidence born from ignorance.
Sovereign destoryed most of the Council fleets and the Alliance 5th fleet imagine what 2 or 3 Reapers can do to a fleet.

Seeing  the Reapers spinal-mounted weapon in action will be dramatic and a Holy S**t!!!!! moment similar to Sovereign ramming the Turian Cruiser.

The DA is the biggest and baddest ship in Council space.  I'm sure if the Reapers one-shot it it would demoralize the rest of the fleet.

Modifié par jbblue05, 08 février 2011 - 07:44 .

[Silmane]

jbblue05 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

I always wanted to see the weapon mounted on the Reaper's spine in action.
It would completely obliterate the DA and the DA would be an excellent first victim.

The DA should be fighting Reapers not running away at the first sight of them

The DA is going down in ME3

Unlikely that would make for a very undramitic cutscene(assuming that the DA or the Base is what punches the whole for you to end the game). Probably see a lot of that on the first strike on Earth though.

Based on what I've seen through ME2 I'd say the Reapers are in for a bit of a shock.

Confidence born from ignorance.
Sovereign destoryed most of the Council fleets and the Alliance 5th fleet imagine what 2 or 3 Reapers can do to a fleet.

Seeing  the Reapers spinal-mounted weapon in action will be dramatic and a Holy S**t!!!!! moment similar to Sovereign ramming the Turian Cruiser.

The DA is the biggest and baddest ship in Council space.  I'm sure if the Reapers one-shot it it would demoralize the rest of the fleet.

There weren't very many ships destroyed by Sovereign. Judging by the cutscenes in ME1, the Alliance fleet didn't take very many losses. 

If you let the DA blow up in ME1, nothing changes. The Alliance is focused on orders given by Shepard to Hackett. Morale wasn't being lost. 

The biggest and baddest ship in Council space goes down by Geth? It's not really all that great. 

Also, if you let the Council die, it doesn't show any Alliance ships blowing up at all and the Ascension goes boom. The Alliance only lost more ships than it should because of trying to help the Ascension if you chose that route. 

Modifié par Silmane, 08 février 2011 - 08:17 .

[jbblue05]

Silmane wrote...

There weren't very many ships destroyed by Sovereign. Judging by the cutscenes in ME1, the Alliance fleet didn't take very many losses. 

If you let the DA blow up in ME1, nothing changes. The Alliance is focused on orders given by Shepard to Hackett. Morale wasn't being lost. 

The biggest and baddest ship in Council space goes down by Geth? It's not really all that great. 

Also, if you let the Council die, it doesn't show any Alliance ships blowing up at all and the Ascension goes boom. The Alliance only lost more ships than it should because of trying to help the Ascension if you chose that route. 

Bioware didn't show the entire battle, but its safe to assume Sovereign destroyed everything in its path..

The Alliance has one fleet at the Battle of the CItadel.  In one cutscene Sovereign takes down 4-5 ships in less than 10 seconds. If you Save the Council the Alliance loses eight cruisers..

Morale was being lost.remember

"Sovereign's too strong we have to pull back"

"negative, this is our only chance, take that monster down no matter what the costs"

The DA is the flagship of the COuncil Fleets, so its the biggest and baaddest ship but not in my playthrough

In my last post you do know I'm talking about ME3 not ME1 right?

Modifié par jbblue05, 08 février 2011 - 08:41 .

[Silmane]

jbblue05 wrote...

Silmane wrote...

There weren't very many ships destroyed by Sovereign. Judging by the cutscenes in ME1, the Alliance fleet didn't take very many losses. 

If you let the DA blow up in ME1, nothing changes. The Alliance is focused on orders given by Shepard to Hackett. Morale wasn't being lost. 

The biggest and baddest ship in Council space goes down by Geth? It's not really all that great. 

Also, if you let the Council die, it doesn't show any Alliance ships blowing up at all and the Ascension goes boom. The Alliance only lost more ships than it should because of trying to help the Ascension if you chose that route. 

Bioware didn't show the entire battle, but its safe to assume Sovereign destroyed everything in its path..

The Alliance has one fleet at the Battle of the CItadel.  In one cutscene Sovereign takes down 4-5 ships in less than 10 seconds. If you Save the Council the Alliance loses eight cruisers..

Morale was being lost.remember

"Sovereign's too strong we have to pull back"

"negative, this is our only chance, take that monster down no matter what the costs"

The DA is the flagship of the COuncil Fleets, so its the biggest and baaddest ship but not in my playthrough

In my last post you do know I'm talking about ME3 not ME1 right?

But...above you said he destroyed most of the Alliance fleet...

Aughh, nevermind.

[AkiKishi]

jbblue05 wrote...

Bioware didn't show the entire battle, but its safe to assume Sovereign destroyed everything in its path..

The Alliance has one fleet at the Battle of the CItadel.  In one cutscene Sovereign takes down 4-5 ships in less than 10 seconds. If you Save the Council the Alliance loses eight cruisers..

Morale was being lost.remember

"Sovereign's too strong we have to pull back"

"negative, this is our only chance, take that monster down no matter what the costs"

The DA is the flagship of the COuncil Fleets, so its the biggest and baaddest ship but not in my playthrough

In my last post you do know I'm talking about ME3 not ME1 right?

I think you are overestimating Sovereign even prior to the ME2 upgrades we get. We know exactly what the loses are because Shepard tells us in ME2.

Alliance 8  - Tarians 20

We also know there were Geth ships in that fight as well.

A cruiser is not a dreadnaught. That's a whole other class of ship. Given the scrambled nature of the attack I'm more inclined to think that the heavy stuff got left behind because it could not keep up.

Had the heavies been involved I don't think the fight would have played out the same way.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 08 février 2011 - 09:17 .

[Lord Zeuss]

Sorry, every time I hear the words "Destiny Ascension" I think someone's referring to some JRPG.

[jbblue05]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Bioware didn't show the entire battle, but its safe to assume Sovereign destroyed everything in its path..

The Alliance has one fleet at the Battle of the CItadel.  In one cutscene Sovereign takes down 4-5 ships in less than 10 seconds. If you Save the Council the Alliance loses eight cruisers..

Morale was being lost.remember

"Sovereign's too strong we have to pull back"

"negative, this is our only chance, take that monster down no matter what the costs"

The DA is the flagship of the COuncil Fleets, so its the biggest and baaddest ship but not in my playthrough

In my last post you do know I'm talking about ME3 not ME1 right?

I think you are overestimating Sovereign even prior to the ME2 upgrades we get. We know exactly what the loses are because Shepard tells us in ME2.

Alliance 8  - Tarians 20

We also know there were Geth ships in that fight as well.

A cruiser is not a dreadnaught. That's a whole other class of ship. Given the scrambled nature of the attack I'm more inclined to think that the heavy stuff got left behind because it could not keep up.

Had the heavies been involved I don't think the fight would have played out the same way.

I believe you are underestimating Sovereign.  You do know he wasn't even focused on fighting the 5th fleet
 The 5th fleet defeated Sovereign because of dumb luck.  Sovereign didn't even showcase his most powerful weapon which is an anti-dreadnought weapon.

That anti-dreadnought weapon might be as powerful as the weapon that destroyed the derelict reaper..

No crap I know a dreadnought is not a cruiser. 

Reaper shields are IMPERVOUS to freadnought fire.  The "heavies" would just  add bigger explosions and up Sovereign's kill count.

[omgodzilla]

The destiny ascension got owned by a couple of Geth ships. I just don't see how it could last against a Reaper even if it was upgraded. Besides, the Reapers have a massive fleet. It doesn't matter how many thanix cannons we have. There is no way in hell that this fight can be won through conventional means.

[AkiKishi]

omgodzilla wrote...

The destiny ascension got owned by a couple of Geth ships. I just don't see how it could last against a Reaper even if it was upgraded. Besides, the Reapers have a massive fleet. It doesn't matter how many thanix cannons we have. There is no way in hell that this fight can be won through conventional means.

DA's not built for a dogfight which is what ME's Citadel battle was.

Think of it like a piece of artillary upclose without protection it's quite vulnerable, at range it's deadly.

jbblue05 wrote...
I believe you are underestimating Sovereign.  You do know he wasn't even focused on fighting the 5th fleet
 The 5th fleet defeated Sovereign because of dumb luck.  Sovereign didn't even showcase his most powerful weapon which is an anti-dreadnought weapon.

Sovereign was an idiot. Only an idiot would leave a supposedly invulnerable shell to go inhabit a very vulnerable one that had been killed once and get himself killed.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 08 février 2011 - 11:10 .

[Sajuro]

Renegade133 wrote...

it be nice to see it leading a fleet attacking the reapers

Turian Councilor on board DA: Ah yes "Reapers" the immortal race of sentient star ships, allegedly waiting in dark space -DA one shots Harbinger- ah, we have dismissed that claim.