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[AkiKishi]

Rafe34 wrote...

SajPl wrote...

I hope that there are around 300-500 reapers - since they are big that number is enough to darken the sky and if there would be like 50 000 of them then let's be honest, the organic racec would stand no chance against them without some newly introduced weapon of annihilation and that seems just stupid to me.

Besides the genocide of the galaxy takes hundreds of years (as Vigil said) so I gues if there were hundreds of thousands of them it would be way faster.

The galaxy is a big place.

What we need is something like the genophage, only set up to kill beings, and Reapers at that.

The Reapers rely on fear and reputation from the events in ME/2 It's likely they either destroy the "wounded" or take them back to dark space. Leaving nothing that can be used against them in future cycles. We see the consequences of leaving the "dead" behind with the Reaper IFF.

300ish Reapers from the cutscene is probably more than enough to accomplish the take over using the strategies set out in ME.

[Pro_Consul]

BobSmith101 wrote...

300ish Reapers from the cutscene is probably more than enough to accomplish the take over using the strategies set out in ME.

Good point. And since that strategy as laid out in ME1 (that was used against the Protheans) hinged on controlling the Citadel in order to control the entire mass relay network, it seems reasonable to assume that the Citadel is going to be of central importance if the Reapers do manage to find another way back into Citadel space.

[AkiKishi]

Pro_Consul wrote...

Good point. And since that strategy as laid out in ME1 (that was used against the Protheans) hinged on controlling the Citadel in order to control the entire mass relay network, it seems reasonable to assume that the Citadel is going to be of central importance if the Reapers do manage to find another way back into Citadel space.

I think they are going to "first strike" the Earth.

[Moiaussi]

There are really only two.... they majored in "Melodrama" at Prothean Film Academy.

[N17pr]

Wait... Have you guys considered that the Reapers are just ****ing with us? I mean they could just be regular alien/parasites that need our DNA to reproduce. The whole "we are gods" thing could be good old propaganda. If they are indeed screwing with us, my assumption would be reapers in mid hundreds at the most. Say 300-500, from their apparent power that would seem to be about equal to all of organic's firepower. Thus, a battle would be in the Organic's favor, but barely, explaining the Reaper's strategy thus far.

[AkiKishi]

N17pr wrote...

Wait... Have you guys considered that the Reapers are just ****ing with us? I mean they could just be regular alien/parasites that need our DNA to reproduce. The whole "we are gods" thing could be good old propaganda. If they are indeed screwing with us, my assumption would be reapers in mid hundreds at the most. Say 300-500, from their apparent power that would seem to be about equal to all of organic's firepower. Thus, a battle would be in the Organic's favor, but barely, explaining the Reaper's strategy thus far.

Yes there is a lot about the Reapers that says "smoke and mirrors" rather indestructable godlike beings.

What I can't figure out is why the rush? Either Sovereigns death left something that the Reapers are deathly afraid of to the point they will risk an open conflict. Or there is something else pushing them for time. If it was just Shepard , wait 50 years and see how effective he is then.

[Sinapus]

BobSmith101 wrote...
Yes there is a lot about the Reapers that says "smoke and mirrors" rather indestructable godlike beings.

What I can't figure out is why the rush? Either Sovereigns death left something that the Reapers are deathly afraid of to the point they will risk an open conflict. Or there is something else pushing them for time. If it was just Shepard , wait 50 years and see how effective he is then.

Bad Idea.

[Iwillbeback]

Omnicrat wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...

They have been around longer than 37 million years
Sovereign wouldn't say we can't comprehend 740 cycles.
I think it is closer to 20000 cycles.
So i guess it would be 12 million - 6 million reapers.

I've noticed this mistake alot here.

Reaper Cycle =/= 50k

The time between cycles lasts as long as it takes one species to find the cidadel and use it for afew centuries.

The Rachni wars were the first back-up plan the Reapers tried to re-take the cidadel.  This was afew centuries after the Asari discoved the Cidadel in the first place.  This means that the Reapers had already tried to activate the Cidadel, failed, and launched back-up plan A.

If they used fixxed time-intervals, they risked a new race discovering the cidadel only 1,000 years after the last cycle and having 49,000 years to evolve and advance.  This would be stupid.

Yeah if that is the case there would be even more reapers.
100 million reapers or more.

[AkiKishi]

Iwillbeback wrote...

Yeah if that is the case there would be even more reapers.
100 million reapers or more.

Makes no sense. Even if the math is flawed. We know the Reapers took a long time to eradicate the Protheans.

[Iwillbeback]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...

Yeah if that is the case there would be even more reapers.
100 million reapers or more.

Makes no sense. Even if the math is flawed. We know the Reapers took a long time to eradicate the Protheans.

100 million is just about as low as i can go.
Because if they turned entire suitable race's into reapers then they will get alot over a billion years or more.

If they made 1 reaper of every race they harvested and then orbital bombard the planet they would have 30000 or more, still undefeatable.
Either way it doesn't matter what number of reapers they have we still need to find another way to defeat them.
I wanna add it doesn't take hundred's of years to orbital bombard a planet.

Modifié par Iwillbeback, 10 février 2011 - 03:50 .

[LordShrike]

Five hundred is more than enough, No ones getting how powerful these things are, seriously, Nazara got toasted because it was standing still! just posted something similar on Dreadnought Effect thread, so i wont repeat myself by doing it again. Just saying numbers are meaningless in this situation, 500 and its bye bye humanity. From a completely strategic and tactical standpoint anyway, since Council races cannot win a holdout fight with them. Of course if they start doing something other than systematically combating Council fleets, it might be another story entirely. Giving us a leeway to implement something other than dying outright. And don't start with the "guerilla warfare will pwnzor dem!" Reapers were built for guerilla warfare, each capable of thousands of years of independent operation in hostile enviroment with out being detected, as Nazara did.

[AkiKishi]

LordShrike wrote...

Five hundred is more than enough, No ones getting how powerful these things are, seriously, Nazara got toasted because it was standing still! just posted something similar on Dreadnought Effect thread, so i wont repeat myself by doing it again. Just saying numbers are meaningless in this situation, 500 and its bye bye humanity. From a completely strategic and tactical standpoint anyway, since Council races cannot win a holdout fight with them. Of course if they start doing something other than systematically combating Council fleets, it might be another story entirely. Giving us a leeway to implement something other than dying outright. And don't start with the "guerilla warfare will pwnzor dem!" Reapers were built for guerilla warfare, each capable of thousands of years of independent operation in hostile enviroment with out being detected, as Nazara did.

Don't Fear The Reaper(s)

[LordShrike]

Don't fear the Reapers you say? I think thats the thing we SHOULD be doing. These are not some Batarians with a chip on their shoulders. These are millions of years old machines with a history in eradicating civilizations on a same level of technology as we are. You Think Shep is something new to these guys? Millions of years, They have protocol for Sheps.

Reaper1:"Umm, looks like Sovereign is missing and Harbringer just said he Fksed up, so..."

Reaper2:"Are you kidding me! we just had one 2113-7b, I'm not reporting this to the board of directors!"

Reaper1:"Chill dude, it's not that big of a deal."

Reaper2:"Like hell it isn't! My bonus is at stake here! Tell you what, i'm gonna take few boys and take care of this myself, real quiet like, and you won't say anything! that clear!"

Que Mass Effect 3 trailer.

Hmm, apparently that explains why there was so few reapers in the trailer.

[AkiKishi]

LordShrike wrote...

Don't fear the Reapers you say? I think thats the thing we SHOULD be doing. These are not some Batarians with a chip on their shoulders. These are millions of years old machines with a history in eradicating civilizations on a same level of technology as we are. You Think Shep is something new to these guys? Millions of years, They have protocol for Sheps.
Reaper1:"Umm, looks like Sovereign is missing and Harbringer just said he Fksed up, so..."
Reaper2:"Are you kidding me! we just had one 2113-7b, I'm not reporting this to the board of directors!"
Reaper1:"Chill dude, it's not that big of a deal."
Reaper2:"Like hell it isn't! My bonus is at stake here! Tell you what, i'm gonna take few boys and take care of this myself, real quiet like, and you won't say anything! that clear!"
Que Mass Effect 3 trailer.
Hmm, apparently that explains why there was so few reapers in the trailer.

Don't care what they are. Example of Reapers so far.

1. I'm an immortal ship but I'm going to download into a vulnerable shell, then the feedback loop will get me killed. 2. I'm Harbinger a cross between a trash talking kid and evangelical nutjob.
3. Geriatric Reaper dies with one Cain shot.
4. Human Proto Reaper dies in one Cain shot with a widow chaser.

They can do a lot of damage if they all hit one system, well so can a conventional fleet, not much to fear there either. Yes they will kill MILLIONS of people, so will a conventional fleet or nuke.

Whether it's Shepard or something else, something is forcing them to break the routine of 37mil+ years. It's either going to be the key to destroying them, or they are going to make a lot of mistakes in typical bad guy fashion that will get them killed trying to stop it.

[Tennessee88]

Iwillbeback wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...

Yeah if that is the case there would be even more reapers.
100 million reapers or more.

Makes no sense. Even if the math is flawed. We know the Reapers took a long time to eradicate the Protheans.

100 million is just about as low as i can go.
Because if they turned entire suitable race's into reapers then they will get alot over a billion years or more.

If they made 1 reaper of every race they harvested and then orbital bombard the planet they would have 30000 or more, still undefeatable.
Either way it doesn't matter what number of reapers they have we still need to find another way to defeat them.
I wanna add it doesn't take hundred's of years to orbital bombard a planet.

All the evidence suggest they do not do any orbital bombardment. The Prothean extinction would not have been a mystery. Trailer also shows absolutely no hint of orbital bombardment. More than likely indoctrination on a mass scale is used to wipe out planets, leaving their demise a mystery. 

[LordShrike]

Oh, you took that seriously enough to reward a reply? Oh'kay, Have At Thee! Hmm. Too bad this is a game, mythos/wiki and gameplay get mixed. What i'm getting here is that they are (mythos/wiki) Super-baddies with no par, not (gameplay) "oh, it dieded. lolzors." Seriously, that Reaper larva? All it had to do was sweep its hand to kill you.(mythos/wiki) Instead it just looped in to predictable firing patterns, that had no chance to kill you.(gameplay.) (lolzors, it dieded.)

[AkiKishi]

LordShrike wrote...

Oh, you took that seriously enough to reward a reply? Oh'kay, Have At Thee! Hmm. Too bad this is a game, mythos/wiki and gameplay get mixed. What i'm getting here is that they are (mythos/wiki) Super-baddies with no par, not (gameplay) "oh, it dieded. lolzors." Seriously, that Reaper larva? All it had to do was sweep its hand to kill you.(mythos/wiki) Instead it just looped in to predictable firing patterns, that had no chance to kill you.(gameplay.) (lolzors, it dieded.)

It is a game so we know the Reapers are going to lose because of that alone. But It's also really boring. Much more fun to come up with game related ways how they will lose.

[ZLurps]

Tennessee88 wrote...

All the evidence suggest they do not do any orbital bombardment. The Prothean extinction would not have been a mystery. Trailer also shows absolutely no hint of orbital bombardment. More than likely indoctrination on a mass scale is used to wipe out planets, leaving their demise a mystery. 

Actually in ME2 there are planetary descriptions where planetary bombarding is mentioned and they read it has been "about 50.000 years ago". I don't remember if there were similar descriptions in ME1.

[LordShrike]

BobSmith101 Said:

"It is a game so we know the Reapers are going to lose because of that alone. But It's also really boring. Much more fun to come up with game related ways how they will lose."

Do we really? I'm seriously hoping thats not the case, because that would require the damn Deus Ex Machina. You finish the game with all Achievements and still the Reapers are going to reap everyone. That could also be an possibility you know. Witch is something i'm hoping for, at least it would be different from all other games that are being force fed us today. Also the reason i'm pushing for this whole "Reapers are OP" thing.

[Exile Isan]

LordShrike wrote...

Don't fear the Reapers you say?

I'm pretty sure he was making a joke. Never heard of Blue Oyster Cult?

Modifié par Exile Isan, 10 février 2011 - 07:28 .

[AkiKishi]

LordShrike wrote...
Do we really? I'm seriously hoping thats not the case, because that would require the damn Deus Ex Machina. You finish the game with all Achievements and still the Reapers are going to reap everyone. That could also be an possibility you know. Witch is something i'm hoping for, at least it would be different from all other games that are being force fed us today. Also the reason i'm pushing for this whole "Reapers are OP" thing.

Depends entirely on how plausbile they make the method of destruction. ME2 planted enough seeds that at least makes it a fight.Chances that ME3 will have a "bad" end ? About 0.01%.

I wholly expect ME3 to be like Dragon Age with Shepard doing the Grey Warden gathering allies bit then figting the boss. If however it turns out that Shepard is the only one who can kill it because of his implants. I may just hurl lol.
A forced bad end would also make the game entirely pointless.

Exile Isan wrote...
I'm pretty sure he was making a joke. Never heard of Blue Oyster Cult?

Have a virtual cookie

Modifié par BobSmith101, 10 février 2011 - 07:34 .

[LordShrike]

To Exile Isan: Yes, decided to ignore. =) You cant really reply to pop culture refs... ;p
Also, it keeps the thread going, and isn't that the purpose of life?

EDIT: To BobSmith101: I hope you are wrong, if for nothing else than to surprise you, Forced bad ending does not need to be all that sucky you know. You may even enjoy it. (no need to admit it tho.)

Modifié par LordShrike, 10 février 2011 - 07:43 .

[ZLurps]

LordShrike wrote...
Do we really? I'm seriously hoping thats not the case, because that would require the damn Deus Ex Machina. You finish the game with all Achievements and still the Reapers are going to reap everyone. That could also be an possibility you know. Witch is something i'm hoping for, at least it would be different from all other games that are being force fed us today. Also the reason i'm pushing for this whole "Reapers are OP" thing.

I can imagine Shepard and Alliance fighting 5 Reapers with awful losses. Then it's over and there is party on Normandy, cut scene starts, showing most of the remaining habitation centers on earth disappearing in the flames and then couple of hundred more Reapers on orbit... That would be something different.

However, I think we are most likely to see a happy ending. But just how BioWare is going to make it without including viruses, time travel or other lame solution. Even if I think theory that Reapers are weaker than Sovereign because they couldn't use mass relays to arrive and so needed to spend lot's of energy to get here, something like close to 500 Reapers still feels really overwhelming. 

Modifié par ZLurps, 10 février 2011 - 07:40 .

[AkiKishi]

ZLurps wrote...

LordShrike wrote...
Do we really? I'm seriously hoping thats not the case, because that would require the damn Deus Ex Machina. You finish the game with all Achievements and still the Reapers are going to reap everyone. That could also be an possibility you know. Witch is something i'm hoping for, at least it would be different from all other games that are being force fed us today. Also the reason i'm pushing for this whole "Reapers are OP" thing.

I can imagine Shepard and Alliance fighting 5 Reapers with awful losses. Then it's over and there is party on Normandy, cut scene starts, showing most of the remaining habitation centers on earth disappearing in the flames and then couple of hundred more Reapers on orbit... That would be something different.

However, I think we are most likely to see a happy ending. But just how BioWare is going to make it without including viruses, time travel or other lame solution. Even if I think theory that Reapers are weaker than Sovereign because they couldn't use mass relays to arrive and so needed to spend lot's of energy to get here, something like close to 500 Reapers still feels really overwhelming. 

As long as it's not a "War of the Worlds" ending.

[LordShrike]

To Zlurps: Gotta give Bioware the benefit of doubt, they surprised me on most their games, so maybe, just maybe... Even good writing on the Deus Ex Machina could save a lot. It does not need to be perfect, just something that you can think on and say: Awesome! And, yes 500 would be more than enough to wipe out every one in council space.