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[Jebel Krong]

Typically idiotic suggestion, gleym, but since you mention style over substance - armour is purely aesthetic in the game anyway so really it doesnt matter what anyone is technically wearing, does it?

[Duncan7291]

mrsph wrote...



See, Bioware? Now was it really that hard to put some armor on her so it wouldn't be as blatant?

/sigh
I just hope you armor fan boys dont get my Desire Demon outfits changed in DA2!  I can hear yall now "there is no way a demon can fight in that outfit...where is the armor." (bioware update - Desire demon in tin can)

[JKoopman]

Duncan7291 wrote...

mrsph wrote...



See, Bioware? Now was it really that hard to put some armor on her so it wouldn't be as blatant?

/sigh
I just hope you armor fan boys dont get my Desire Demon outfits changed in DA2!  I can hear yall now "there is no way a demon can fight in that outfit...where is the armor." (bioware update - Desire demon in tin can)

Uh... Dragon Age is a fantasy game. A magical demon can wear whatever it wants into battle because it's a magical demon. Mass Effect is science-fiction, meaning it should at least have some sort of basis in reality and science.

[JKoopman]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Typically idiotic suggestion, gleym, but since you mention style over substance - armour is purely aesthetic in the game anyway so really it doesnt matter what anyone is technically wearing, does it?

Armor isn't "purely aesthetic" in Mass Effect. There's a whole codex entry on exactly how armor works and the protection it affords. But I don't expect someone like you to ever bother with a codex. It's all about the PEW PEW and the eye candy, right?

Modifié par JKoopman, 09 février 2011 - 11:31 .

[morrie23]

JKoopman wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Typically idiotic suggestion, gleym, but since you mention style over substance - armour is purely aesthetic in the game anyway so really it doesnt matter what anyone is technically wearing, does it?

Armor isn't "purely aesthetic" in Mass Effect. There's a whole codex entry on exactly how armor works and the protection it affords. But I don't expect someone like you to ever bother with a codex. It's all about the PEW PEW and eye candy, right?

But don't you know, the codex can be disregarded if it gets in the way of the coolness?

[JKoopman]

morrie23 wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Typically idiotic suggestion, gleym, but since you mention style over substance - armour is purely aesthetic in the game anyway so really it doesnt matter what anyone is technically wearing, does it?

Armor isn't "purely aesthetic" in Mass Effect. There's a whole codex entry on exactly how armor works and the protection it affords. But I don't expect someone like you to ever bother with a codex. It's all about the PEW PEW and eye candy, right?

But don't you know, the codex can be disregarded if it gets in the way of the coolness?

Welcome to the new Mass Effect. Everyone who liked the old Mass Effect can just go to hell. [/BioWare]

[Gleym]

Eh, I wouldn't worry too much about Jebel, JKoopman. In case you haven't noticed, in his last two or three posts (and plenty of other threads), Jebel has declared anyone who either pokes holes in his argument, points out the silliness of the whole 'style over sense' or just plain doesn't take his ranting seriously is declared 'lacking in intelligence' or 'an idiot'. I've reported him on both accounts, and have decided that it's better to at least debate with individuals capable of doing so, rather than waste breath on Jebel. If anything else, he's simply butthurt that he's finding out he isn't in the majority of people with views on armor in Mass Effect like he was constantly claiming to be.

Modifié par Gleym, 10 février 2011 - 12:42 .

[Duncan7291]

JKoopman wrote...

Duncan7291 wrote...

mrsph wrote...



See, Bioware? Now was it really that hard to put some armor on her so it wouldn't be as blatant?

/sigh
I just hope you armor fan boys dont get my Desire Demon outfits changed in DA2!  I can hear yall now "there is no way a demon can fight in that outfit...where is the armor." (bioware update - Desire demon in tin can)

Uh... Dragon Age is a fantasy game. A magical demon can wear whatever it wants into battle because it's a magical demon. Mass Effect is science-fiction, meaning it should at least have some sort of basis in reality and science.

Well Miranda is pretty magical to me!  And the other half of science fiction, is fiction.  So Im sure they can come up with a fictional explanation for her bodysuit (highly dense polycarbonated fibers or something)  Personally, I like to have the choice between scantly clad or tin cans. 

[Obvakhi]

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I still don't get6 why they didn't made it work like ME1 - Catsuit on board the Normandy and armor on a mission.. but i guess that just made to much sense.

They decided to fo with the whole comic book superhero style instead of ME1s more believable approach. And Superheros are always consistent in their attire. Infact you would wonder at the bang of B.O. you might whiff from your average comic heros never changed attire.

How about maybe they didn't want each character having the same body model?

[Gleym]

Obvakhi wrote...

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I still don't get6 why they didn't made it work like ME1 - Catsuit on board the Normandy and armor on a mission.. but i guess that just made to much sense.

They decided to fo with the whole comic book superhero style instead of ME1s more believable approach. And Superheros are always consistent in their attire. Infact you would wonder at the bang of B.O. you might whiff from your average comic heros never changed attire.

How about maybe they didn't want each character having the same body model?

..So they had to leave them armorless in order to present unique body models? Wha?

[Obvakhi]

Gleym wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I still don't get6 why they didn't made it work like ME1 - Catsuit on board the Normandy and armor on a mission.. but i guess that just made to much sense.

They decided to fo with the whole comic book superhero style instead of ME1s more believable approach. And Superheros are always consistent in their attire. Infact you would wonder at the bang of B.O. you might whiff from your average comic heros never changed attire.

How about maybe they didn't want each character having the same body model?

..So they had to leave them armorless in order to present unique body models? Wha?

Um... yeah? Is that too hard to fathom for you?
It's not like they're in the Alliance, they can wear whatever they want.

Modifié par Obvakhi, 10 février 2011 - 07:55 .

[hooahguy]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

She has no place amid rocket blasts and toxic gases. She must stay on the Normandy all the time.

Thats a silly thing to say.
Miranda is the best squad member.
Gotta love those squad bonuses. 

[Manic Sheep]

Obvakhi wrote...

Gleym wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I still don't get6 why they didn't made it work like ME1 - Catsuit on board the Normandy and armor on a mission.. but i guess that just made to much sense.

They decided to fo with the whole comic book superhero style instead of ME1s more believable approach. And Superheros are always consistent in their attire. Infact you would wonder at the bang of B.O. you might whiff from your average comic heros never changed attire.

How about maybe they didn't want each character having the same body model?

..So they had to leave them armorless in order to present unique body models? Wha?

Um... yeah? Is that too hard to fathom for you?
It's not like they're in the Alliance, they can wear whatever they want.

So why can’t they can have unique armor for them when on a mission? Shepard wouldn’t be controlling their wardrobe, they would keep their own body type and style. They just wouldn’t look like idiots whenever you take them on a mission.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 10 février 2011 - 09:17 .

[Jebel Krong]

JKoopman wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Typically idiotic suggestion, gleym, but since you mention style over substance - armour is purely aesthetic in the game anyway so really it doesnt matter what anyone is technically wearing, does it?

Armor isn't "purely aesthetic" in Mass Effect. There's a whole codex entry on exactly how armor works and the protection it affords. But I don't expect someone like you to ever bother with a codex. It's all about the PEW PEW and the eye candy, right?

really. tell me the difference in effectiveness of armour on miranda compared to her standard outfits during gameplay.

and FYI i read the whole codex, just like i did for the first game.

Gleym wrote...

Eh, I wouldn't worry too much about Jebel, JKoopman. In case you haven't noticed, in his last two or three posts (and plenty of other threads), Jebel has declared anyone who either pokes holes in his argument, points out the silliness of the whole 'style over sense' or just plain doesn't take his ranting seriously is declared 'lacking in intelligence' or 'an idiot'. I've reported him on both accounts, and have decided that it's better to at least debate with individuals capable of doing so, rather than waste breath on Jebel. If anything else, he's simply butthurt that he's finding out he isn't in the majority of people with views on armor in Mass Effect like he was constantly claiming to be.

i bet you spend a fair amount of time 'reporting' people that actually use reason and facts against you, in your perpetual butthurt state, huh? and you wonder why people just ignore you...  

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 10 février 2011 - 09:44 .

[Captain_Obvious_au]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Typically idiotic suggestion, gleym, but since you mention style over substance - armour is purely aesthetic in the game anyway so really it doesnt matter what anyone is technically wearing, does it?

So why doesn't everyone just look the same, with weapons that all look the same. I mean, it doesn't really matter what anyone looks like does it?

[Obvakhi]

Manic Sheep wrote...
So why can’t they can have unique armor for them when on a mission? Shepard wouldn’t be controlling their wardrobe, they would keep their own body type and style. They just wouldn’t look like idiots whenever you take them on a mission.

Because it contradicts who the characters are.
Each team member has their own unique look, personality, and  backstory, which explains why they're dressed the way they are. Take Jack for example... as much as I dislike her default outfit, having her decked in full combat armor just doesn't fit her character.
This is clearly the approach Bioware intended to make with ME2 but some fans just can't see that and insist on beefing everyone up.

Modifié par Obvakhi, 10 février 2011 - 09:59 .

[Jebel Krong]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Typically idiotic suggestion, gleym, but since you mention style over substance - armour is purely aesthetic in the game anyway so really it doesnt matter what anyone is technically wearing, does it?

So why doesn't everyone just look the same, with weapons that all look the same. I mean, it doesn't really matter what anyone looks like does it?

*sigh* because as i've said all along the outfits were intentionally designed to reinforce particular aspects of the characters - jack's attire, miranda's attire, thane's attire etc. there's more to the game than just combat y'know... putting everyone in off-the-shelf standard armour - a la me1 - just ruins all that.

and evidence you're in a minority? -




unless you conform to those metrics (and that means you probably didn't even finish the game - though that one wouldn't surprise me), i hate to break it to you, but you ARE in a minority.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Typically idiotic suggestion, gleym, but since you mention style over substance - armour is purely aesthetic in the game anyway so really it doesnt matter what anyone is technically wearing, does it?

So why doesn't everyone just look the same, with weapons that all look the same. I mean, it doesn't really matter what anyone looks like does it?

*sigh* because as i've said all along the outfits were intentionally designed to reinforce particular aspects of the characters - jack's attire, miranda's attire, thane's attire etc. there's more to the game than just combat y'know... putting everyone in off-the-shelf standard armour - a la me1 - just ruins all that.

and evidence you're in a minority? -




unless you conform to those metrics (and that means you probably didn't even finish the game - though that one wouldn't surprise me), i hate to break it to you, but you ARE in a minority.

Well firstly, ME2 is far mor egeared towards combat than the RPG elements than ME1, so yes it matters. Also, so what about 'reinforcing aspects of their personality'. Does that mean that Miranda has the intelligence of a 5 year old? That's what's implied by having her run around a battlefield with no protection whatsoever.

As for the stats, how are they relevant? They have absolutely NOTHING to do with the customisation of squaddies.

[Jebel Krong]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

*sigh* because as i've said all along the outfits were intentionally designed to reinforce particular aspects of the characters - jack's attire, miranda's attire, thane's attire etc. there's more to the game than just combat y'know... putting everyone in off-the-shelf standard armour - a la me1 - just ruins all that.

and evidence you're in a minority? -




unless you conform to those metrics (and that means you probably didn't even finish the game - though that one wouldn't surprise me), i hate to break it to you, but you ARE in a minority.

Well firstly, ME2 is far mor egeared towards combat than the RPG elements than ME1, so yes it matters. Also, so what about 'reinforcing aspects of their personality'. Does that mean that Miranda has the intelligence of a 5 year old? That's what's implied by having her run around a battlefield with no protection whatsoever.

As for the stats, how are they relevant? They have absolutely NOTHING to do with the customisation of squaddies.

the stats are relevant because they show the VAST minority of people that play the game do not worry about stupid things like what people are wearing so any/all posts suggesting (as several people have - the same few in all these types of threads) that the majority of people are demanding, yes DEMANDING, proper soldier attire in combat are all delusional (as if their posts weren't evidence enough of this anyway).

no it does not mean miranda has the intelligence of a 5 yo - after all she still has shields, biotics and medi-gel just like everyone else - a few plates of ceramic won't make much difference given the lethality of weapons in the universe. what it does mean, however, is that she is properly attired for her job(s), which is not being a front-line soldier or combatant, but an operative, leader and scientist.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 10 février 2011 - 10:28 .

[Funker Shepard]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
You see, wearing armor on the Normandy makes almost as little sense as not wearing it outside. Again, ME1 system, when Human companions and Liara automatically changed to their "casual" clothes was spot on.

Concur!

[Ulzeraj]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

Well firstly, ME2 is far mor egeared towards combat than the RPG elements than ME1, so yes it matters.

Nah. It doesn't work.

Did the reverse path here. "Hey Mass Effect 2 combat is cool so lets give another chance to those boring shooters". Result: modern shooters are still boring shooters. Borderlands was cool... but hey its fun because of its RPG mechanics.

I don't know. Mass Effect 2 is still RPG even if doesn't look like. The time dilatation on soldier and infiltrator classes, the drones, the squad and their powers... no shooter can do that.

I doubt a shooter fan would like ME2. "Whats with the talking?", "This frog dude is boring as hell" and all that.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

So hang on - the fact that 80% of people customised Shepards face means that they didn't care what people are wearing. That's really your argument? Do you enjoy inventing statistics out of thin air when the actual ones are completely irrelevant to your argument?

[Jebel Krong]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

So hang on - the fact that 80% of people customised Shepards face means that they didn't care what people are wearing. That's really your argument? Do you enjoy inventing statistics out of thin air when the actual ones are completely irrelevant to your argument?

cherry-picking stats and twisting them to suit my ends? nah i leave that to you - 50% people didn't even finish the game. 65% just chose the default soldier class. 15% didn't even let grunt out of his tank - were any of these clamouring online for armour sets for squaddie characters? nah, i didn't think so. the stats are only presented to blow apart the ridiculous assertion made by some that the majority of people (and in reality it's a handful of the same in a few threads, repeatedly) that requested this - the problem was they did it long enough and loud enough they got what they wanted at the expense of the majority who could have benefitted from something else. that's it.

[Angmir]

On my part I'd like to say that Tali "alternative" apparence in this form was compleatly unnecessary. It changed nothing, armour doesnt realy look so tough, color schames are lame, and the HUD thing inside her helmet looks helpless. (if at all I would make it more subtel and covering entire layout of her vizor). So the new apparence dont make her look more functional, nighter looks better then the 2 presented in game allready. It was a complete waste. Well even Thane's Neo-outfit was better than Tali's. Why they bothered to do somthing without thinking it through thoroughly. They should make A-Ap for other crew member instead and leave us without any, with hope that theer will be better Tali outfit in the future.

Modifié par Angmir, 10 février 2011 - 10:54 .