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[shinobi602]

The Canadian developer sees similarities between COD's progression and Dragon Age's foundations

Nowgamer wrote...
With Dragon Age II’s release imminent, senior producer Fernando Melo feels the sequel has far more reach than Origins, even potentially attracting the same kind of crowd that flocks to gaming’s biggest franchise, Call Of Duty.

Speaking to NowGamer Melo said: “We have data that shows there are a lot of people that enjoy playing RPGs although they won’t necessarily call them RPGs. They’ll play Fallout, Assassin’s Creed and even Call Of Duty, which have these progression elements – you’re putting points into things – but they don’t necessarily associate that as an RPG. So we think that if we expand that out we’ll attract a much bigger audience.”

There’s certainly logic in his thinking, and with individuals who failed to be enticed by BioWare’s original epic actually being swayed by the sequel –not to mention the upcoming demo giving gamers a chance to sample its goods first – there’s every change Dragon Age II may succeed in this goal.

www.nowgamer.com/news/5141/bioware-we-want-call-of-dutys-audience

Modifié par shinobi602, 08 février 2011 - 08:36 .

[Stanley Woo]

there was a post in this thread when it was posted to the MAss Effect board that I liked. one community member talked about how many games that are not RPGs now use character progression/advancement mechanics, and how BioWare wants to attract the players of such games because they might enjoy it.

Gamers are a little too quick to rely on labels rather than gameplay features when talking about game experiences they enjoy. I, for one, love character advancement mechanics, whether they're in RPGs or shooters, even adventure games. if a racing game, part of a genre I don't normally play, were to advertise that I could "level up" my driver or my car, or that the game had skill/ability trees I could explore while I played, I would be tempted to give it a shot and, just possibly, become a fan of racing games in general, or games in that particular milieu or franchise.

Inclusion rather than exclusion.

EDIT: So let's try and keep the insults and condescension out of the discussion, please.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 08 février 2011 - 08:57 .

[Stanley Woo]

Removed a bunch of the insulting and condescending posts. such childish behaviour from those who consider action and FPS players "kiddies." Sheesh.

[John Epler]

Unbelievably, it's possible to enjoy more than one type of game. I know, I know. It's crazy, and it flies right in the face of the idea that 'everyone who enjoys games like CoD is immature/an adolescent', but it's true!



I have anecdotal evidence to prove this.

[John Epler]

the_one_54321 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...
Unbelievably, it's possible to enjoy more than one type of game. I know, I know. It's crazy, and it flies right in the face of the idea that 'everyone who enjoys games like CoD is immature/an adolescent', but it's true!

I have anecdotal evidence to prove this.

Um, yeah that's entirely true. I like shooters a lot, for instance. And I like games like DA:O a whole lot. But I like for them to be very different from each other. I think that this isn't such an absurd concept either.

I'm responding more to the idea that people who enjoy games like Call of Duty are adolescent and immature than anything else, really.

And I think that you're misinterpreting the original quote - look at it more like 'we want to draw attention to the aspects of our games that they can relate to and ease them into the ones that they aren't used to', rather than 'we want our games to be pretty much like Call of Duty except, you know, with magic and swords.'

It's the idea that the people who enjoy Call of Duty but have never picked up an RPG might actually enjoy an RPG, they've just never given it a shot. And that's what we want - we want them to look at a game like Dragon Age and say 'you know, that might be something I'd enjoy'.

Am I making sense? I'm heavily caffeinated and slowly going insane by creating reams of documentation, so I may not be entirely clear in my point.

[John Epler]

Perhaps some people think that neither Stan nor I were being serious when we suggested that people stop making sweeping statements about the mentality and maturity level of people who enjoy Call of Duty.



I assure you, we were. Cut it out.

[Stanley Woo]

The point, as I and John Epler have been trying to get across, is that games no longer have to appeal to just one fanbase. Games are complex enough (yes, even the shooters) that they might appeal to all kinds of different gamers. Developers and publishres will target other groups because of all this labeling internet folk like to do.



If a game is technically a shooter but has a good story, character development, banter, loot, an inventory system, and "level up" systems, what difference is there in an RPG anyway? So even though it's called a "role-playing game," there might be enough of what shooter players like in it to try once or twice. No, they don't have to bring their whole clan or all the guys the play with. they try it to see if they like it, and we believe that some of them will.



Some of the folks around here who self-identify as more mature, intelligent or sophisticated because they enjoy RPGs, story, character, and dialogue would do well to calm down and think about their arguments before lashing out with their sensationalist hyperbole. Thank you.

[John Epler]

Maelora wrote...

The mods sure are pretty hostile to opinions they dislike. They're really manning the barricades at HQ. Heaven forbid we dislike FPS and their fans.

Another PR coup for Bioware.

We are hostile to the opinion that the type of game someone prefers necessarily indicates a particular level of maturity or intelligence, yes. Given that most people are capable of discussing this issue without resorting to vitriol and strawmen, and given that we've ended many similar diatribes levelled against those who prefer old-school RPGs, I'd say that we're rather more even-handed than you suggest, and that our primary goal is to promote harmony and civil discourse.

Of course, your interpretation is cool too.

Modifié par JohnEpler, 08 février 2011 - 10:55 .

[John Epler]

Perhaps it's just a matter of difference in perspective - I'm one of those dreaded 'FPS fans' that some of you seem convinced are going to ruin Dragon Age. Occasionally, I like to unwind with a round of some FPS or another, or I'll pick up a game that's played in a mostly first person perspective to relax at the end of a particularly stressful or busy day.

Some of the most mature and intelligently engaging experiences I've had were through games that are, ostensibly, FPSes. Sometimes, of course, I just feel like going into multiplayer and fighting against other human opponents. Of course, other nights, I'll boot up some turn-based strategy game or space exploration game that makes rocket science seem like no big thing.

I guess I just find it odd that some people are categorizing others based on what games they tend to play. Not everyone (nor, for that matter, would I say the majority of people) who play a CoD game fit the sorts of stereotypes some folks are painting them with. And yes, there are loudmouthed idiots, but I expect that's true in most games - console shooters just have the dubious distinction of an easily-used (and easily-abused) voice chat system. One guy in a match can ruin it for everyone else - there are still 22 other people who weren't being obnoxious in the slightest.

And why wouldn't we want to tell some of those folks who have only ever played those sorts of games that 'hey, here are some aspects of the game similar to what you're used to.' Just because you like to unwind with a competitive shooter, that doesn't mean you can't appreciate the finer points of a story-based RPG. And if we have something in common that we can use as an 'in' to get you to try something you may not normally try, all the better.

[John Epler]

Well, this thread has been a wonderful example of name-calling, off-topic bickering and people deciding that how they spend their leisure time is indicative of higher IQ and perhaps better dance moves, but I think it's safe to say it's run its course.



Locking.