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[s0meguy6667]

Jzadek72 wrote...

s0meguy6667 wrote...

Translation: If we dumb our games down more, we may attract more id-iots.

You're translation can further be transalated to: "I like having people to feel superior to."

I love RPGs, and don't get nearly the same fulfilment out of shooters. That does NOT make shooter players idiots. Swallow your hubris and accept this.

no, that's pretty much a retarded translation of what i said.

[boohead]

Bioware isn't alone on this.



Todd Howard of Skyrim/Bethesda mentioned how some Racing games had the same amount of RPG elements of classic RPG's.

[Noilly Prat]

eyesofastorm wrote...


Big budget denotes a big risk though which explains why big budget games must be more and more mainstream.  More and more mainstream games in the AAA space means a trend towards homogenization.  When this happens, everybody loses eventually.

I didn't say it would be easy for BioWare to accomplish this.

I agree that big-budget game development is a pretty risk averse endeavor, but this is a problem with the gaming industry in general, and not just with huge AAA games and publishers.

There has been room for the independents in the film, music, and book publishing industries for a long time, and game budgets generally tend to run higher than budgets for producing and releasing an album, book, or film (which is not to suggest that those are cheap, or that it's a simple comparison to make-- but the game industry long ago surpassed Hollywood in terms of all-around costs and profitability).

I believe that download services-- Xbox Live, PSN, Steam, etc.-- have made it easier (and will continue to make it easier yet) for indie games to find an audience and make a profit, but the gaming industry still has some catching up to do with music, film, and publishing in terms of supporting its independents.

I don't want BioWare to start making generic action games with no substance or narrative depth, but if they can manage to attract a bigger audience without compromising the quality of their games, I wouldn't mind.

Modifié par Noilly Prat, 10 février 2011 - 12:20 .

[Jzadek72]

s0meguy6667 wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

s0meguy6667 wrote...

Translation: If we dumb our games down more, we may attract more id-iots.

You're translation can further be transalated to: "I like having people to feel superior to."

I love RPGs, and don't get nearly the same fulfilment out of shooters. That does NOT make shooter players idiots. Swallow your hubris and accept this.

no, that's pretty much a retarded translation of what i said.

Great, trying to spark a flamewar. Clear evidence of your superiority over the immature FPS gamers.

EDIT:

Noilly Prat wrote...



I don't want BioWare to start
making generic action games with no substance or narrative depth, but
if they can manage to attract a bigger audience without compromising the
quality of their games, I wouldn't mind.

Pretty much this.

Modifié par Jzadek72, 10 février 2011 - 12:21 .

[Jzadek72]

Double post, ignore.

Modifié par Jzadek72, 10 février 2011 - 12:21 .

[s0meguy6667]

Jzadek72 wrote...

s0meguy6667 wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

s0meguy6667 wrote...

Translation: If we dumb our games down more, we may attract more id-iots.

You're translation can further be transalated to: "I like having people to feel superior to."

I love RPGs, and don't get nearly the same fulfilment out of shooters. That does NOT make shooter players idiots. Swallow your hubris and accept this.

no, that's pretty much a retarded translation of what i said.

Great, trying to spark a flamewar. Clear evidence of your superiority over the immature FPS gamers.

EDIT:

Noilly Prat wrote...



I don't want BioWare to start
making generic action games with no substance or narrative depth, but
if they can manage to attract a bigger audience without compromising the
quality of their games, I wouldn't mind.

Pretty much this.

Which.... is not how it's gonna happen.

[boohead]

People taking the interview out of context and claiming the sky is falling.


Yup - typical internet forum.

Modifié par boohead, 10 février 2011 - 12:28 .

[Mad Pig]

Some people here think that FPS players dont really care about the story, and buy games for pure action. Well i'm one of those FPS players although not a CoD fan, instead i play Battlefield, but i do appreciate a good story and thats why i play with Bioware games, and other RPGs as well, they give me the experience FPS's cant. It may sound strange to some but yes there are other peoples like me out there who like different game genres.

[AlanC9]

Harid wrote...

This has likely been said, but this has been obvious since KOTOR.

You don't hear that around here enough -- I think it's because too many of the current fans only discovered Bio because of KotOR.

[FurousJoe]

I got 10th prestige in both World at War and Modern Warfare 2, but I enjoyed Dragon Age Origins a lot as well.



You can love both, they do different things, satisfy me at different moods at different times.

[Rockworm503]

I don't want that audience they'd demand multiplayer fragfest and hack it to death till its no fun anymore.

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

Rockworm503 wrote...

I don't want that audience they'd demand multiplayer fragfest and hack it to death till its no fun anymore.

Because Bioware let's their fanbase decide how to move the franchise foward.

[Vahe]

I think there is a disconnect in the communication between JohnEpler/Stanley Woo and the rest of the people posting in this thread. When people refer to the CoD fanbase, they are not referring to every single person that plays CoD. It's a sub-group of CoD players. It's not a black and white distinction like the one between console vs PC gaming.

[j_j_m]

When developers start catering to the lowest common denominator, it's a clear sign they have lost passion for video games.

Nobody can say with a straight face the games the "Call of Duty" type of players spend their time on, are in anyway quality video games. It's the same thing in music and movies. The blockbuster stuff is generally made for people with subpar IQ.

Modifié par j_j_m, 10 février 2011 - 05:57 .

[StingingVelvet]

Meltemph wrote...

I don't associate large budgets with quality games by direct correlation.

Sure, all the indie and low budget XBL/PSN/STEAM games that come out can be very satisfying, but not on the same level as a large budget, well made, game, imo.

Now I have a couple RL friends who only currently purchase indie titles, because they are more "pure, but then, I would compare them to my "movie snob" friends I have either. It's great that there are people who really support those types of titles, but it does tend to get a little annoying when that same crowed actively judges those who like the "mainstream" games a lot, like niche is some form of excellence that must be paid tribute.

Now obviously you have the other side of the argument that views niche as a form of social pariah, but rarely is that pov brought up. It is normally the niche claiming to have a better idea then the developers themselves.

Well there should be room for both, that's the general point.  Mass Effect is an RPG made to appeal to shooter fans and sci-fi nerds as well as RPG gamers, and be a mainstream success, and it WORKS.  It's an awesome series.  Why can't Bioware make that game AND a more niche RPG with classic isometric controls for the PC and iPad though, as well as maybe a hack n' slash RPG for Steam/XBLA/PSN and such things?

I guess what I am asking for is diversity.  I like big blockbuster production games and I also like smaller niche titles.  It would be nice to get both from EA and Bioware, rather than just the former.

[wulfsturm]

Bigger audience = more money = bigger and better games by BioWare.



Win, win, win.

[Vena_86]

I suppose by "expand" he means dumbing down?

[AlanC9]

StingingVelvet wrote...

Well there should be room for both, that's the general point.  Mass Effect is an RPG made to appeal to shooter fans and sci-fi nerds as well as RPG gamers, and be a mainstream success, and it WORKS.  It's an awesome series.  Why can't Bioware make that game AND a more niche RPG with classic isometric controls for the PC and iPad though, as well as maybe a hack n' slash RPG for Steam/XBLA/PSN and such things?

I guess what I am asking for is diversity.  I like big blockbuster production games and I also like smaller niche titles.  It would be nice to get both from EA and Bioware, rather than just the former.

Well,  Bio's never really been about playing in a niche. It's not the way they think. 

Even if they did, I'm not sure pursuing multiple tracks on the same platform is good for maintaining a coherent brand identity.

[KyleOrdrum]

j_j_m wrote...

When developers start catering to the lowest common denominator, it's a clear sign they have lost passion for video games.

Nobody can say with a straight face the games the "Call of Duty" type of players spend their time on, are in anyway quality video games. It's the same thing in music and movies. The blockbuster stuff is generally made for people with subpar IQ.

Uhh...I own a couple of the call of dutys, and yet here I am looking for info on DA2, not because it's actiony, but because I enjoyed DA:O.  My main game series consist of MGS, Elder Scrolls, L4D, MK, and now DA.  List formerly included CoD and FF before gameplay focus was replaced with graphics IMHO.  Does this make me this "lowest common denominator" that is apparently destroying video games?

I agree that dumbing down games to appeal to a broader audience is a bad idea.  I don't agree that making a game more accessible is a bad idea.  If it draws a bigger audience and helps ensure more games in a good series, where is the downfall?  I don't see why the immediate reaction to "we want the numbers a bestselling series has" is "we're going to dumb down the game until we get those numbers."  Those statements are not equivalents at all.

[Altima Darkspells]

wulfsturm wrote...

Bigger audience = more money = bigger and better games by BioWare.

Win, win, win.

Only so much you can do when you pump out a new sequel every year, no matter how big your budget is.

Besides, what happens if, say, TOR becomes the next WoW, and BioWare doesn't release a non-MMO for, say, six years?  Companies can have huge audiences, more money than god, and make good games yet still end up screwing their fanbase in the most abominable ways possible.

[wulfsturm]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

wulfsturm wrote...

Bigger audience = more money = bigger and better games by BioWare.

Win, win, win.

Only so much you can do when you pump out a new sequel every year, no matter how big your budget is.

Besides, what happens if, say, TOR becomes the next WoW, and BioWare doesn't release a non-MMO for, say, six years?  Companies can have huge audiences, more money than god, and make good games yet still end up screwing their fanbase in the most abominable ways possible.

I don't like to deal with "what ifs" and "maybes." I know that BioWare is one of, if not the best game development company in the world, and I will treat them as such untill they stop being the best.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 10 février 2011 - 06:37 .

[Vicious]

Liking RPGs does not make you better than the 18 year old kid slaughtering people in Call of Duty. The truth is both of you are spending precious moments of your all-too-short life on electronic entertainment and ignoring the big picture in favor of immediate gratification.



Regardless of your taste in games, one has to admit that thinking they are somehow better than someone else that prefers a different sort of game, or has a smaller attention span, is really quite delusional.

[Mad-Max90]

s0meguy6667 wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

s0meguy6667 wrote...

Translation: If we dumb our games down more, we may attract more id-iots.

You're translation can further be transalated to: "I like having people to feel superior to."

I love RPGs, and don't get nearly the same fulfilment out of shooters. That does NOT make shooter players idiots. Swallow your hubris and accept this.

no, that's pretty much a retarded translation of what i said.

I feel that his transation is accurate, you had already stated a negative remark about people who play shooters, why, only to make yourself feel superior to the rest of "us" gamers who happen to enjoy playing shooters.  Just because we like different genres than you you throw out childish insults.  Call of Duty black ops and even modern warfare have heavy rpg elements to the multiplayer, I do agree with bioware that this game will draw upon those elements and actually bring in a new crowd. Just  because it has the core elements of an rpg does not mean that those elements cannot become fleshed out and expanded upon:whistle:

[stormhit]

Vicious wrote...

Liking RPGs does not make you better than the 18 year old kid slaughtering people in Call of Duty. The truth is both of you are spending precious moments of your all-too-short life on electronic entertainment and ignoring the big picture in favor of immediate gratification.

Regardless of your taste in games, one has to admit that thinking they are somehow better than someone else that prefers a different sort of game, or has a smaller attention span, is really quite delusional.

That's a new approach.  Why pick a side when you can just troll everyone.