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[kcwME]

sassperella wrote...

I know, it was just an illustration to show that just because it implies certain things in the story doesn't mean we can dismiss Anders as Hannibal Lectre there's more to take into consideration.

Ehh? I never implied he was Hannibal Lectre. I did imply that he ate a few people while possessed. Very subtle difference.

[sassperella]

Eshaye wrote...

kcwME wrote...

And suddenly I'm alone, standing in a burning forest, with the bodies of templars and wardens at my feet. So many, and I didn't even know they were there. Didn't even know I had killed them, but the evidence is all around me. Not the aftermath of a battle as I've known it, but a bloody abattoir of rent limbs and torn and eaten flesh.

I think he did actually nom on a few people.

Why doesn't it bother us? Probably because it's, y'know, a video game? We kill people all day long, etc. Like you can tell Alistair, "We're all killers."

Oh snap I missed that last bit. Still first time offender, I don't expect Anders to sautee templar liver. 

anders personal gift .... A nice chianti 

[sassperella]

kcwME wrote...

sassperella wrote...

I know, it was just an illustration to show that just because it implies certain things in the story doesn't mean we can dismiss Anders as Hannibal Lectre there's more to take into consideration.

Ehh? I never implied he was Hannibal Lectre. I did imply that he ate a few people while possessed. Very subtle difference.

yes sorry it wasn't aimed at you, but at some of the other people in the thread

[syllogi]

We really don't know the facts about what happens when Vengeance takes over, yet. What I *do* know, about Anders when he was not an abomination, and when Justice was separate from him, makes me interested in both characters, and makes me want to help them, when I meet them in DA2.



I think most people who are looking forward to playing with Anders in their games already know him from Awakening, or have read about him and like what they see of the past characterization. I don't think it's unrealistic to expect that he'll at least partly retain those traits we enjoyed previously about him.

[ThatDancingTurian]

IMO it's just too complicated of an issue to write him off because of one line in a short story and a game we haven't played yet. If it was a character we didn't already know so well I might not give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm emotionally invested in him now, and I would bet money that's what BioWare was banking on when they came up with this story. Hopefully that means it'll have a greater pay-off.

...

On a slightly different but still Anders-related note, a few pages back people were talking about the '3rd Option'. You know what would really get the tears flowing? If you could save both Anders and purify Vengeance into Justice.. Then Justice gives Anders a parting gift by erasing all of his memories from the moment he became possessed onwards.

Just imagine it, Anders-romancing Hawke anxiously waiting for her apostate to wake up after the big confrontation, he slowly opens his eyes, gives a chuckle and says, "Who are you? Did I miss something fun?"

::masochist::

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

I'm gonna miss Anders' blue Tevinter robe. I always associated those with him. Well, here's hoping for their reappearence however unlikely it might be.



On a more related note: Not sure if this was discussed before, so forgive me if it was, but wuldn't you think the Wardens would send out at least few of their own to track down Anders? Not only did he kill one of their own, but he also knows some of their secrets as well. Can't imagine whomever's in charge likes that at all. Maybe they'll even send out Nate Howe since he stayed in Kirkwall before. So many awesome story possibilites to be had with that.

[kcwME]

Mash Mashington wrote...

kcwME wrote...

And suddenly I'm alone, standing in a burning forest, with the bodies of templars and wardens at my feet. So many, and I didn't even know they were there. Didn't even know I had killed them, but the evidence is all around me. Not the aftermath of a battle as I've known it, but a bloody abattoir of rent limbs and torn and eaten flesh.

*drumroll*

But seriously. Anders was transformed into some sort of creature. Like pride demon - its form is not exactly human. And that creature uses his mouth as a means of killing things - like simple wolves do. So no, 'eaten' here doesn't imply actual taking bits, but the fact that bodies were chewed or somehow damaged by creature's jaws *insert terrifying shark picture here*

So nooo, it's not cannibalism, because it was not eating with the purpose of satisfying one's hunger gdi. Anders won't ask Hawke for a permission to eat Varric, i am sure of it

I think 'eaten' means 'eaten', personally. If they meant 'chewed', 'gnawed', or what-have-you I think she would have used that word.

[upsettingshorts]

Mash Mashington wrote...

So nooo, it's not cannibalism, because it was not eating with the purpose of satisfying one's hunger gdi.

Since when is the motive important?

Some cannibals consumed human flesh in order to satisfy their hunger.  Other cannibals - such as those in fiction like Hannibal Lecter - do it as part of a homocidal compulsion.  Other cannibals did it because it was part of a religious rite.  etc.

Cannibalism is the eating of other individuals of the same species.  Whether it's demon-possessed Anders munching on a Templar drumstick or great apes killing and eating each other after a battle over territory.

[Miri1984]

@Upsetting shorts: Right. Well. Ok then.



You did seem to imply that we were all weird for not being freaked out by someone eating flesh. Hence my point about it being a video game. I would certainly be pretty freaked out by someone eating flesh in my house at supper time. But I would also be freaked out by people who had Lyrium branded into their skin, or mages, or darkspawn, or pretty much everything about DA, tbh.



The story is dark, and desperate, but I fail to understand why people are zeroing in on the flesh eating thing as the most disturbing part about it. IMO there are FAR more disturbing things in it.

[kcwME]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Just why would a demon want to eat human flesh?

Dunno. You'd have to ask the writers that one.

[upsettingshorts]

Miri1984 wrote...

You did seem to imply that we were all weird for not being freaked out by someone eating flesh.

I implied you were glossing over it because it was cute, funny Anders.  And brought it up because so many people - not necessarily the same people - glossed over the positives of Aveline, Isabela, and Varric because they were too masculine, too sl*tty, or too short despite a single momentary brutal act of cannibalism being objectively worse than any of those things.

That's what I was implying.  My point about being wary of such a romance, not enthusiastic, was pretty explicit.

kcwME wrote...

Mash Mashington wrote...

Just why would a demon want to eat human flesh?

Dunno. You'd have to ask the writers that one.

That's a good question.  What is particularly vengeful or even just about "eaten flesh" ?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 février 2011 - 03:57 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

I'm gonna miss Anders' blue Tevinter robe. I always associated those with him. Well, here's hoping for their reappearence however unlikely it might be.

On a more related note: Not sure if this was discussed before, so forgive me if it was, but wuldn't you think the Wardens would send out at least few of their own to track down Anders? Not only did he kill one of their own, but he also knows some of their secrets as well. Can't imagine whomever's in charge likes that at all. Maybe they'll even send out Nate Howe since he stayed in Kirkwall before. So many awesome story possibilites to be had with that.

I agree. I like his new look, I think the rough edges do well to emphasize his current mindset, but the turqoise, gold and black was a very iconic look for him.

I kind of hope if the Wardens send anyone it'll be after the resolution to Anders' situation (if there is one). Then he can get closure with the Wardens without it being all about him being an abomination. I also hope if that happens that they send Nathaniel. I'm interested to see what he looks like with the new graphics.

[panamakira]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Upsetting shorts: But I would also be freaked out by people who had Lyrium branded into their skin, or mages, or darkspawn, or pretty much everything about DA, tbh.

This!

[opheliamars]

This song just screams Anders at me. Maybe it's kind of a stretch, but hey, I've been awake since 5AM. 

[upsettingshorts]

opheliamars wrote...

This song just screams Anders at me. 

I agree.

[Miri1984]

@Upsetting Shorts I don't think anyone was glossing over it, actually. We have all said that the story is dark, depressing, and changes our perception of Anders a LOT. And I've never said anything negative about any of the other characters, potential LI's or otherwise, so that one doesn't apply to me.



So this is a simple misunderstanding of wording. I don't think we're glossing over it, I don't think it's the most disturbing part of a very disturbing story, I think Anders as a potential LI got way WAY more interesting with this revelation. I definitely wanted to pursue a romance with Anders before this revelation - the old Anders, but I MOST definitely want to pursue a romance with Anders now because it's going to have so much more depth.

[syllogi]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

You did seem to imply that we were all weird for not being freaked out by someone eating flesh.

I implied you were glossing over it because it was cute, funny Anders.  And brought it up because so many people - not necessarily the same people - glossed over the positives of Aveline, Isabela, and Varric because they were too masculine, too sl*tty, or too short despite even single, momentary brutal acts of cannibalism being objectively worse than any of those things.

That's what I was implying.  My point about being wary of such a romance, not enthusiastic, was pretty explicit.

So basically, you're accusing those who are looking forward to meeting Anders of dismissing other characters.  Which I personally haven't seen in this thread, since most of the discussion is about Anders.

I still don't get your point.  Do you want people to *not* want to help Anders, because of the story?  Those who have played Awakening have spent way more time with Anders than they have with Isabela or Merrill, and nobody can really judge Aveline, Fenris, or Varric yet.  For all we know one, or all of them, are demonic puppy killers.  That would be worth judging.  Until then, we're all just speculating based on appearances.  Only Anders has a bit more to go on, of the companions we've met.  To me it makes sense that I would want to help a character I already know.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I implied you were glossing over it because it was cute, funny Anders.  And brought it up because so many people - not necessarily the same people - glossed over the positives of Aveline, Isabela, and Varric because they were too masculine, too sl*tty, or too short despite a single momentary brutal act of cannibalism being objectively worse than any of those things.

That's what I was implying.  My point about being wary of such a romance, not enthusiastic, was pretty explicit.

Did you infact see any of us gloss it over because it's cute, funny Anders?  I don't know what point you're trying to prove and who you are trying to prove it to.  You sound bitter more than anything else.

We ARE wary of the romance, but that doesn't change the fact that he's romanceable, does it?  Will that stop us from trying to help the character that we have come to care about from Awakening?  No.  Will the game give us a chance to hear his side of the story before we throw judgment upon him? Most likely.

Sheesh.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 16 février 2011 - 04:03 .

[Minxie]

Mash Mashington wrote...
So nooo, it's not cannibalism, because it was not eating with the purpose of satisfying one's hunger gdi. Anders won't ask Hawke for a permission to eat Varric, i am sure of it

If you ask me, Anders is nothing compared to the Slayer the Bhaalspawn transforms into in BG2, and all his/her friends forgave him/her for it.

[Janele]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Just imagine it, Anders-romancing Hawke anxiously waiting for her apostate to wake up after the big confrontation, he slowly opens his eyes, gives a chuckle and says, "Who are you? Did I miss something fun?"

I would cry.  That would be such a not-happy but yet still happy ending.  Anders is saved, but he doesn't remember you.  I... kinda want this to happen now.  Not a happy ending, so tears to feed Bioware still exist, but it has the potential for a happy ending! *sniffle*

Modifié par Janele, 16 février 2011 - 04:07 .

[Ms .45]

Threeparts wrote...

sassperella wrote...

Having read the Anders story, is no one else worried about the stabbing bit? I know it says it can't hurt him at the time but he gets a sword in the chest. Maybe he truly is immortal at that point or maybe it'll kill Anders once justice/vengeance is removed.

My take on it:

And then his sword is level with my chest, and I let it come, because it is only steel and cannot hurt me, for I am not of mortal men. And when it sinks hilt-deep in my flesh with no reaction, that's when he gives up.

This could mean that it doesn't matter if the body dies because the spirit will possess it regardless, or that the power of Anders' healing could fix it anyway. Or perhaps that Vengeance has made Anders kind of... immortal? When the possession ends, his body may well be in a very bad state.

I figured he'd turned into something like the Rage Demons in DA:O, which are basically flame creatures - if you stick a sword into flames it doesn't really do anything. Yes, I'm aware that you could hack Rage Demons to bits in Origins, but in the story Anders doesn't actually know what he is, and neither do we.

[opheliamars]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

opheliamars wrote...

This song just screams Anders at me. 

I agree.

Ha! Serves me right for not catching up on the thread right away.