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[syllogi]

Nassi wrote...

I don´t quite understand why the cannibalism is "the big deal". What I understood, with my poor english skills, is that he didn´t kill those men, because he wanted to eat them, rather it was that he ate them because they died. So to me the thing to be conserned about is that he seemed to turn in to pshycophat killer (not sure if that´s fitting description) and the cannibalism is only one part of that. Really if you are already dead does it matter, if someone eats your carcass or not?

We don't know what happened; Anders blacked out and everyone around him was dead and chewed up when he came to.  People just feel the need to point to that in order to justify...something at the moment.  Probably mostly jokes.  Until we play the game, it's just a story written to illustrate that both Anders and Justice are no longer the characters we remember from Awakening.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Russalka wrote...

That reminded me of those various facebook posts from Twilight fans on how they are reconsidering their stance on paedophilia, necrophilia, beastiality et cetera thanks to Edward and Jacob.

Except that in Twilight it's glorified or the controversy isn't even brought up in the books ("What, it isn't romantic to fall in love with a baby and groom her to be your lover?"), and the characters themselves have no excuses like, say, a demon making them do these things.

[upsettingshorts]

TeenZombie wrote...

People just feel the need to point to that in order to justify...something at the moment. 

There's nothing to justify.  It is what it is.  What I didn't get was why it wasn't more of a big deal.  Posts like the ones you responded to that didn't get why it was being an example of positions that made me scratch my head and open the debate.

Poster: "Why is it a big deal?"
Me, incredulous:  "Why isn't it a big deal?"

That's all really.  My personal theories as to why that is ended up becoming the focus and that was mostly my fault for bringing them up at all.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 février 2011 - 08:23 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

Mel_Redux wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

I miss the former. One of my Wardens got a rose from Alistair in front of the entire Proving crowd. It was magical for them, I'm sure.

Once I got the rose during the Redcliff zombie invasion.  Nothing sets the mood like flaming zombies and dying knights.

I think you win the worst timing award. Unless someone got him to give it in front of the broodmother corpse. Anyone?

@Addai67: I also prefer the tunic/long coat combo to the robes. I noticed though that the colors on that concept are much darker. I wonder if that's because of a change in the development process, or if it means his clothing will get darker later in the game along with developing those circles under his eyes to symbolize his troubling descent.

[panamakira]

signcherie wrote...

De-lurking to bring up something that occurred to me. There was a post a ways back questioning "what if Anders lost his memories after being de-posessed" but I can't find it now. I was just thinking...Connor didn't remember anything after being saved from his demon. So do you think it's likely that if Hawke saves Anders...he wouldn't remember her at all?

I have a really strong feeling this is what we're gonna get. It fits in with the BW bittersweet endings~

Heartbreaking but I'm willing to do it if he'll live......

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

I like how they made the Tevinter mage robe less of a robe and more of a tunic.

However it does put a damper on my mockery of SurelyForth for squeeing over a man-skirt wearing zombie.

I'm in the wrong thread for this kind of remark, aren't I. 

If he reveals that he only wears this because Justice was not fond of up-the-skirt breezes, then you can continue to mock away.

[Cutlasskiwi]

As always I'm late to the party and just read the backstories about the characters. Justice really seemed to have done a number on Anders. Although, he always expressed a burning hate for the circle so I'm guessing things got worse and intensified when they "joined" together.



And the whole eating people thing kinda creeped me out. It's a twist alright to a otherwise very upbeat and funny character.

[panamakira]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

I miss the former. One of my Wardens got a rose from Alistair in front of the entire Proving crowd. It was magical for them, I'm sure.

Once I got the rose during the Redcliff zombie invasion.  Nothing sets the mood like flaming zombies and dying knights.

I think you win the worst timing award. Unless someone got him to give it in front of the broodmother corpse. Anyone?

@Addai67: I also prefer the tunic/long coat combo to the robes. I noticed though that the colors on that concept are much darker. I wonder if that's because of a change in the development process, or if it means his clothing will get darker later in the game along with developing those circles under his eyes to symbolize his troubling descent.

Oh god, in one of my playthroughs I clicked on Alistair by mistake and got the rose right after the talk with Hespith in the Deep Roads.....in my head I was like "Alistair......hmmm.....yeah....thanks but....I can't get really into the sweet moment right now, not when somebody is whispering creepy stuff in the background..."

Iol....bad timing is bad....

[Miri1984]

OMG I WAS ASLEEP FOR NINE HOURS AND YOU GUYS ARE STILL ON ABOUT THIS?



We need to start a new "Anders is a Cannibal" thread. Go there and duke it out.

[Nassi]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

People just feel the need to point to that in order to justify...something at the moment. 

There's nothing to justify.  It is what it is.  What I didn't get was why it wasn't more of a big deal.  Posts like the ones you responded to that didn't get why it was being an example of positions that made me scratch my head and open the debate.

Poster: "Why is it a big deal?"
Me, incredulous:  "Why isn't it a big deal?"

That's all really.  My personal theories as to why that is ended up becoming the focus and that was mostly my fault for bringing them up at all.

To my clearify myself, what I meant in my post, was that I´m wondering why the cannibalism is the big deal, when I think it is only one part of "the promblem". But also, as I said, my english skills, are very limited so I might have misunderstood whole thing.

[tmp7704]

Nassi wrote...

Really if you are already dead does it matter, if someone eats your carcass or not?

It doesn't matter to the person whose corpse is being eaten. People discuss it because it rather tells something about the mental state of the person who does the eating.

It's similar to necrophilia, in this regard -- the corpse doesn't really care someone is having fun time with it, but the fact someone would get their fun this way raises eyebrows just the same.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

People just feel the need to point to that in order to justify...something at the moment. 

There's nothing to justify.  It is what it is.  What I didn't get was why it wasn't more of a big deal.  Posts like the ones you responded to that didn't get why it was being an example of positions that made me scratch my head and open the debate.

Poster: "Why is it a big deal?"
Me, incredulous:  "Why isn't it a big deal?"

That's all really.  My personal theories as to why that is ended up becoming the focus and that was mostly my fault for bringing them up at all.

For some of us it's not that it isn't a big deal, it's that big deal or no, we're willing to look past it. I'm not just giving up on the character because of one part of one scene that may not even be in the game. There is a middle ground between condemnation and glorification.

I think for others there's a disconnect between what is acceptable in real life and in fiction. Some people just love a monster, the more morbid the better. That doesn't make them advocates for evil in their daily life. Some of the most popular characters in history are villains.

To me everything that happened in the short story is the work of a villain; Vengeance. It was his Kick The Dog moment. But it's important to make the distinction between Anders and Vengeance.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Perhaps another related thing to be worried about is that he can apparently turn into a creature that would make even a Warden Templar who had fought Broodmothers think twice about fighting? Apparently that was a big deal as well.



Bhaalspaaaawn.

[upsettingshorts]

Miri1984 wrote...

OMG I WAS ASLEEP FOR NINE HOURS AND YOU GUYS ARE STILL ON ABOUT THIS?

We need to start a new "Anders is a Cannibal" thread. Go there and duke it out.

What would you prefer we discuss?  And like I said before this is the Anders thread.  This is on topic.

Oh and @Aris I understand, that makes sense.

[Miri1984]

@ Upsetting Shorts Practically anything. So I'll go elsewhere and do that and see if nine more hours makes the difference

[panamakira]

I wonder if in the demo, they'll let you talk with your party, and what I mean is how far will the demo let you build a relationship with Anders or anybody else? I'm guessing you get like 1 year in demo right?

Modifié par panamakira, 16 février 2011 - 08:52 .

[upsettingshorts]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Of course character's desire to destoy religious institution is nothing compared to eating people

Well there are plenty of people here - the majority I'd say in fact - who view the former as nothing other than an objectively good thing.  

[SurelyForth]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Perhaps another related thing to be worried about is that he can apparently turn into a creature that would make even a Warden Templar who had fought Broodmothers think twice about fighting? Apparently that was a big deal as well.

Bhaalspaaaawn.

Worried? If he were in DAO we could just set him down in the middle of Ortan Thaig, nip off to Rucks's for some CrazyTime Tea and come back and everything would be dead. It would be awesome.

However, we have Game Mechanics, Limitations Thereof working for us. He'll only be that powerful in fics and cutscenes.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 16 février 2011 - 08:56 .

[tmp7704]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Of course character's desire to destoy religious institution is nothing compared to eating people

Disdain for various religious institutions is pretty common, especially if the institution in question is perceived to be oppressive. Taste for human flesh, slightly less so.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Mash Mashington wrote...

Of course character's desire to destoy religious institution is nothing compared to eating people

Well there are plenty of people here - the majority I'd say in fact - who view the former as nothing other than an objectively good thing.  

Depends.  Not all Chantry followers are what some would consider bad people.  I question their practices, especially when it comes to the Templar thing.  But I'm sure they're going to make that decision much harder than many expect.

Also, I think Anders still believes in the Maker?  Anyone's thoughts on that?

SurelyForth wrote...

Worried? If he
were in DAO we could just set him down in the middle of Ortan Thaig, nip
off to Rucks's for some CrazyTime Tea and come back and everything
would be dead. It would be awesome.

However, we have Game Mechanics, Limitations Thereof working for us. He'll only be that powerful in fics and cutscenes.

Very true.  Probably no playable AndersBhaalspawn.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 16 février 2011 - 09:03 .

[upsettingshorts]

Uh, what? That's what we've been doing. Then you said something about the cannibalism thing being comparable to his anti-Chantry position, which I don't think works at all - primarily because it isn't anywhere near being a taboo considering how many people endorse just that position right here on these forums.

I mean, they're related in the sense that the Chantry are the subjects of his violent rage, but that's the only connection I can make.

RinjiRenee wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Mash Mashington wrote...

Of course character's desire to destoy religious institution is nothing compared to eating people

Well there are plenty of people here - the majority I'd say in fact - who view the former as nothing other than an objectively good thing.  

Depends.  Not all Chantry followers are what some would consider bad people.  I question their practices, especially when it comes to the Templar thing.  But I'm sure they're going to make that decision much harder than many expect.

Oh sure, I was just pointing out that anti-Chantry isn't remotely as out there as pro-cannibal.  Not that I think anyone here is actively the latter.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 février 2011 - 09:01 .

[HolyJellyfish]

Since Hepler released her mindscrew story about just how dark Anders had become and the person he now must struggle being, the conversation of Anders having committed such a cannibalistic act is going to be talked about on this thread by people who are interested and disturbed by the subject, by people actively seeking out a negative reaction, and by people who realize that they can instigate a response from those who are uncomfortable BY the subject.

My suggestion is to either a) ignore these posts, be civilized, or c) grow thicker skin.

Like it or not, Anders has become a very, very disturbed character. While it maybe out of his control, it is going to get pretty bad from the short story here on out.

But you know what? That is what makes him so freaking AMAZING and that is why I am so excited to see him in action! Its freaking Jennifer Hepler penning him. She is incredibly creative and capable of completely mindwarping a game. She offered what IMHO was the BEST story chapter of all of DA:O.

Fenris is great, sure. He's a warrior elf with a secret past. Aveline is suppose to be sad and strong. Varric has a good sense of humor, right. But Anders... he's tragic, he's warped, he's gonna take your heart and stomp it and break it.... I would be more than happy to trade any of these other characters for him, because I don't want to miss out on what Hepler has install. That is my opinion.