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[KnightofPhoenix]

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Does the thread really have to be ruined? Just a few days ago, it was awesome.

It's almost like its noble spirit is being warped by petty human emotions.

edit: the vengeance/hunger thing, i'm not sure. Would rather guess it has more to do with some sort of the desire to "destroy the enemies" being taken to such literal, extreme end?

Human emotions have a tendency of doing that, yea.

Could be rage. Could be desire. Could be some sort of pride as well, aka thinking that you should free others. Could be class on its own. One class I am 99% sure he isn't is sloth. Anders is not sloth material.

What is interesting is demonic possession seemingly altering sensations, taste in particular. I didn't taste human blood before, but I doubt it actually tastes like honey. I am starting to think that Anders is transforming physically as well. Let's hope it's not a cliched vampire (vampire romance?...yea we all know what's coming).

[leggywillow]

In case this hasn't been posted here, here is Anders's party banter from Awakening.  Yay!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Wedger wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Does the thread really have to be ruined? Just a few days ago, it was awesome.
Interesting thing to take into consideration, if it was indeed cannibalism what we saw (debatable still imo). "Devouring corpses are held by hunger demons and feed upon the living."
Vengeance becoming a hunger demon?

i was hopping for a new type of demon.  Soemthing stronger then Pride. 

I actually do hope that we have an option to encourage the symbiosis (if it turns out that the relationship is not necessarily parasitic).  Maybe Vengeful Anders can become the start of a new breed.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 février 2011 - 03:50 .

[leggywillow]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

What is interesting is demonic possession seemingly altering sensations, taste in particular. I didn't taste human blood before, but I doubt it actually tastes like honey. I am starting to think that Anders is transforming physically as well. Let's hope it's not a cliched vampire (vampire romance?...yea we all know what's coming).

No, it tastes metallic............. what?

[syllogi]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

This forum could be really great, if people weren't so obsessed with taking sides all the time.  We all are interested in this game, and we all want to be entertained.  It shouldn't be so hard to get along.

OT: People tend to attach their egos to things.  Be they characters, particular arguments, their own predictions - none of which have any real personal connection to themselves, but are nonetheless aggressively pursued and protected as if they did.

It's not really unique to this forum, or game forums as a whole.  It's everywhere.  Put simplistically, it's tribalism.

Yeah, but joining "tribes" based on which video game character you like -- for a game that hasn't even been released yet???  

I *get* why the Landsmeet is such a touchy subject in the DA:O spoiler forum.  I get why the ME1 vs. ME2 debate is so polarizing...but I don't get the divide in this forum, when we know next to nothing about the characters yet.

I'll be quite honest, I feel like certain people who have been posting in this thread since Monday have been projecting disdain or hostility towards those who are looking forward to seeing Anders in DA2.  (Not you Shorts, although your posts about people dismissing other characters put me on the defensive.)  Maybe I'm wrong about some of them, or even all of them, but from my experience in other fan threads, I'm already getting that vibe.  And it's really baffling.  I don't even know if I'll continue to like Anders once I'm done with DA2...but I did like him in Awakening, so I wanted to post in this thread.  Now I feel like I not only having to defend my interest, but I am making myself a target by posting here at all.  It is unpleasant, and it would be nice if everyone could just get along.

[AtreiyaN7]

Or it's simply Vengeance's perception of how it tastes. When Justice was in Kristoff, he could hear lyrium "singing" after all.

[tmp7704]

TeenZombie wrote...

but seriously, it's getting annoying that there is a distinct "us vs. them" vibe starting to make itself known in this thread.  One person says something, and then three other people who apparently have no interest in talking about Anders come out of nowhere to "back up" the first person, or to add to the fire.

I think this impression may be largely in your own mind only -- if someone posts their opinion or interpretation of what someone else said then it can very well be just that, act of stating one's own opinion. Why would you choose to view it as "backing up" of anyone, effectively making it some sort of "us vs them" situation by grouping people based on nothing but whether they happen to share some particular opinion or not?

If this sensation is annoying, then very simple way to get rid of it is to just give it no heed. Treat each post as separate entity and deal with them on case by case basis and based on their content only, rather than try to guess the poster's possible intentions. These, ultimately, don't really matter.

[KnightofPhoenix]

leggywillow wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

What is interesting is demonic possession seemingly altering sensations, taste in particular. I didn't taste human blood before, but I doubt it actually tastes like honey. I am starting to think that Anders is transforming physically as well. Let's hope it's not a cliched vampire (vampire romance?...yea we all know what's coming).

No, it tastes metallic............. what?

Thought about this instantly



"too much iron in your blood".

[syllogi]

tmp7704 wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

but seriously, it's getting annoying that there is a distinct "us vs. them" vibe starting to make itself known in this thread.  One person says something, and then three other people who apparently have no interest in talking about Anders come out of nowhere to "back up" the first person, or to add to the fire.

I think this impression may be largely in your own mind only -- if someone posts their opinion or interpretation of what someone else said then it can very well be just that, act of stating one's own opinion. Why would you choose to view it as "backing up" of anyone, effectively making it some sort of "us vs them" situation by grouping people based on nothing but whether they happen to share some particular opinion or not?

If this sensation is annoying, then very simple way to get rid of it is to just give it no heed. Treat each post as separate entity and deal with them on case by case basis and based on their content only, rather than try to guess the poster's possible intentions. These, ultimately, don't really matter.

So I should take the higher ground, while you get offended on someone else's behalf when I make a joke about quoting with no content?  Sure.  Hope you follow your own advice, though.

[leggywillow]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Or it's simply Vengeance's perception of how it tastes. When Justice was in Kristoff, he could hear lyrium "singing" after all.

This could very well be the case.  I think a lot of people are taking things in the short story very, VERY literally when they could simply be metaphors or stylistic/artistic prose.  I think the overall tone of the story is what we should take away from it.

[Lucy Glitter]

TeenZombie wrote...

Hey Dave of Canada, if you come back, this right up here is called an empty quote!  It adds nothing to the discussion!

TeenZombie wrote...

I was pointing out Lucy's post in a attempt at humor, but seriously, it's getting annoying that there is a distinct "us vs. them" vibe starting to make itself known in this thread.  One person says something, and then three other people who apparently have no interest in talking about Anders come out of nowhere to "back up" the first person, or to add to the fire.  What is the point?  If you hate the character, why not just talk about what you don't like.  If it's *just* a matter of jumping on a bandwagon, however, it's childish, and I'm not playing moderator by pointing it out now, and maybe people can either air their grievances openly or just stop it.  

This forum could be really great, if people weren't so obsessed with taking sides all the time.  We all are interested in this game, and we all want to be entertained.  It shouldn't be so hard to get along.

TeenZombie wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...
It's more like the juxtaposition of name of the poster and actual remark they'd made leaves nothing that needs to be added; these form the comment entirely on their own.

Dave did not know what I was talking about; that was a perfect example.  I know what people are attempting to convey when doing it, but if someone is going "call people out" for not adding content to a discussion, it's pretty hypocritical to do that yourself.

And really, do you need to provide "back up" here?  If either person wants to explain what they mean when empty quoting, they can do so.

TeenZombie wrote...

And to actually be on topic, yes, I agree that Anders' dialogue in Awakening was probably 80 percent comic relief.  That was quite fine by me.  I found him enjoyable, far moreso than Oghren, for example, and since the dialogue was so very sparse in general in Awakening, I can't really fault the character for that.

There you go.

Coulda said that in the first place. There was really no need for all the pure, unadulterated bull that just erupted into this thread. Honestly.

[KnightofPhoenix]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Or it's simply Vengeance's perception of how it tastes. When Justice was in Kristoff, he could hear lyrium "singing" after all.

True, but I would assume as the "bond" grows deeper, the sensations start to merge.

Would Anders become immune to lyrium's side effects I wonder.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 février 2011 - 04:00 .

[tmp7704]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Could be rage. Could be desire. Could be some sort of pride as well, aka thinking that you should free others. Could be class on its own. One class I am 99% sure he isn't is sloth. Anders is not sloth material.

I added this bit while you were writing the reply i guess so it got overlooked: "They seem to be adding new kinds of demons in DA2 based on "new" emotions -- vengeance and that one in Merrill's story." They're somewhat different from the "old" demons and more like "corrupted ideals" than plain character flaws.

[Jean]

leggywillow wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

What is interesting is demonic possession seemingly altering sensations, taste in particular. I didn't taste human blood before, but I doubt it actually tastes like honey. I am starting to think that Anders is transforming physically as well. Let's hope it's not a cliched vampire (vampire romance?...yea we all know what's coming).

No, it tastes metallic............. what?

Part of me wants to say that the line was trying to say that "revenge is sweet".
But it could be literal.

[syllogi]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

There you go.

Coulda said that in the first place. There was really no need for all the pure, unadulterated bull that just erupted into this thread. Honestly.

...And you could have posted something with content?  But I was not attacking you, I was pointing out your post in an attempt to "callback" to a discussion going on a few hours ago in this thread.  I've explained this a few times, if you think it's bull, that's your prerogative, but yeah.  No bull, just speaking my mind.  Using words.

[KnightofPhoenix]

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Could be rage. Could be desire. Could be some sort of pride as well, aka thinking that you should free others. Could be class on its own. One class I am 99% sure he isn't is sloth. Anders is not sloth material.

I added this bit while you were writing the reply i guess so it got overlooked: "They seem to be adding new kinds of demons in DA2 based on "new" emotions -- vengeance and that one in Merrill's story." They're somewhat different from the "old" demons and more like "corrupted ideals" than plain character flaws.

Oh sorry, I didn't notice the second edit.

I am kind of mixed about this. On one hand, yea there are much more than just 5 emotions. On the otherhand, I like the demon hierarchy and how they structure themselves, mostly, but not entirely, based on class (we do see a sloth demon commanding two desire demons in Origins). So hopefully they can integrate those new demons into the mix. 

And I did not know there was a demon in Merill's story. I presume it's in the short story?

[leggywillow]

Batteries wrote...

Part of me wants to say that the line was trying to say that "revenge is sweet".
But it could be literal.

Yep, this.  It could be literal; it could be figurative.  We won't know until we play the game, and even then we may never know.  I like the idea of a more figurative interpretation, for obvious reasons, but of course I could be wrong.

I feel like the thread is dangerously close to having an argument parallel to the people who argue over literal translations of the Bible...

[Eshaye]

tmp7704 wrote...

I think this impression may be largely in your own mind only --

Except it isn't in her own mind only, it's in mine as well. This thread was a good read a few days ago, then it wasn't. Maybe it will be again... 
And now I'm pointedly ignoring a certain topic and a few redundant posters. 

About Justice and his fade connection, that one baffles me too I imagine we will have a clearer picture the more we interact with Anders. It's probably possible to send Justice/Vengeance back with a crap load of lyrium and other mages. For some reason I also get the impression that yes Justice was influenced by Anders' anger to change into a demon, but it also strikes me as odd he's want to stay in the mortal realm if there's a chance to go home. So I'm thinking Justice was already changing before merging with Anders and that just pushed him over. 

Blood tasting like honey.. That would be the Vengeance part experiencing that, and I do think it's literal. 

[tmp7704]

TeenZombie wrote...

So I should take the higher ground, while you get offended on someone else's behalf when I make a joke about quoting with no content?  Sure.  Hope you follow your own advice, though.

See, this is what trying to guess the poster's intentions get you. I wasn't "offended at someone else's behalf" but rather posted my interpretation of Lucy's post to point out that perhaps your idea of it being "empty quoting that doesn't add anything" wasn't correct. In other words, i did follow my own advice -- i took your post at face value and addressed it as such.

Also, i wouldn't consider what i suggested taking the higher ground, but rather a way to save oneself pointless stress. Because really, what all this guessing and grouping people into imaginary camps gets you, other than annoyance like you mentioned already?

[Lucy Glitter]

So... new demons? Or are they just altered from the Origins lore? I am confused.

TeenZombie wrote...

...And you could have posted something with content?  But I was not attacking you, I was pointing out your post in an attempt to "callback" to a discussion going on a few hours ago in this thread.  I've explained this a few times, if you think it's bull, that's your prerogative, but yeah.  No bull, just speaking my mind.  Using words.

Hey Shorts, remember when I blocked you when you involved me in your analogy about the "hardcore" RPG fans and politics? It's totally happening again. 

See what I did? I just did a callback to a previous discussion, as well. I also used you as an example in an obnoxious way.

Now, please, don't be like that. It wasn't funny, it was rude in my honest opinion. You are going on about how nice people used to be and la dee dah etc. Don't do it yourself. I was not attacking Anders, either. It's the truth and I agreed with it. Empty quoting is considered humurous and it's a fun and easy way of saying, "I agree with that" in a strong tone. 

Gosh.

[KnightofPhoenix]

leggywillow wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Part of me wants to say that the line was trying to say that "revenge is sweet".
But it could be literal.

Yep, this.  It could be literal; it could be figurative.  We won't know until we play the game, and even then we may never know.  I like the idea of a more figurative interpretation, for obvious reasons, but of course I could be wrong.

Sure, the writers might be going for that. But this is written from Ander's perspective, in the moment.

Is he really going to sound poetic as he is slaughtering people and not exactly sure what the hell is happening? I am not so sure. 

Then again, Anders always was bard material.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 février 2011 - 04:18 .

[tmp7704]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And I did not know there was a demon in Merill's story. I presume it's in the short story?

Aye, it's in her story. It's trapped in a statue and names itself Audacity. Merrill's keeper states it's a demon.

As far as hierarchy goes i think i prefer the idea it's not so clear-cut... that is, if the number of different demons is increased then it'd be pretty hard to say that "this emotion is always stronger than that one" and such. Also because a rigid hierarchy means we're pretty much never going to face a rage demon that's anything but a pushover etc... it makes these "bottom feeders" less fearsome and less interesting.

Modifié par tmp7704, 17 février 2011 - 04:20 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

tmp7704 wrote...
As far as hierarchy goes i think i prefer the idea it's not so clear-cut... that is, if the number of different demons is increased then it'd be pretty hard to say that "this emotion is always stronger than that one" and such. Not in the least because a rigid hierarchy means we're pretty much never going to face a rage demon that's anything but a pushover etc... it makes these "bottom feeders" less fearsome and less interesting.

Aye true. I am more interested in the concept that demons found hierarchies amongst themselves, something that they might have learned from humans. More so than it actually being too clear cut and set in stone. I liked the fact that a sloth demon for instance had 2 desire demons as lessers for instance.

It would be interesting if Vengeance decides to forge his own Fade kingdom. An ironic twist (a la baroness)