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[KnightofPhoenix]

Shepard Lives wrote...
As I've said other times in this thread, I suspect pursuing Friendship will result in more and more Vengeance, whereas Rivalry will help Anders control the demon.

Wouldn't it be the other way around? The more you make him angry, the less control he'll have?

[Rinji the Bearded]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Shepard Lives wrote...
As I've said other times in this thread, I suspect pursuing Friendship will result in more and more Vengeance, whereas Rivalry will help Anders control the demon.

Wouldn't it be the other way around? The more you make him angry, the less control he'll have?

Ms. Helper's explanation about the rival/friend status really hinted that taking him down the friend path will actually encourage his vengeance.

[KnightofPhoenix]

RinjiRenee wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Shepard Lives wrote...
As I've said other times in this thread, I suspect pursuing Friendship will result in more and more Vengeance, whereas Rivalry will help Anders control the demon.

Wouldn't it be the other way around? The more you make him angry, the less control he'll have?

Ms. Helper's explanation about the rival/friend status really hinted that taking him down the friend path will actually encourage his vengeance.

Oh I didn't read the explanation.
Where can I find it?

[Rinji the Bearded]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Shepard Lives wrote...
As I've said other times in this thread, I suspect pursuing Friendship will result in more and more Vengeance, whereas Rivalry will help Anders control the demon.

Wouldn't it be the other way around? The more you make him angry, the less control he'll have?

Ms. Helper's explanation about the rival/friend status really hinted that taking him down the friend path will actually encourage his vengeance.

Oh I didn't read the explanation.
Where can I find it?

Here ya go.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Thanks!

Well that makes it much more interesting. I was worried about the dynamic before.

[Rinji the Bearded]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Thanks!
Well that makes it much more interesting. I was worried about the dynamic before.

No prob.  I also read somewhere, I think on the TGS2011 thread, that he has an ability that a dev called "Anders Active 2" and that it's good in emergency situations but it's hard to keep him alive for whatever reason.  I'm really excited to see how the friend/rival path will affect him.

[Will-o'-wisp]

I wonder how much variety there is inside the different paths... if I assume that the major point they figth about is the Mages/chantry thing.
Will it be possible to go the friendship path (aggree with him about freeing all mages) and a) support Vengeance or try to free Anders an then fight the chantry without the demon's help
or in case of the rivalry path a) try to free Anders and make him realise that mages have to be controlled or supporting vengeance but trying to lead him into an other direction than fighting the chantry?

Or will Anders' major issue be the posession itself and besides choosing between Anders and Vengeance you have to deal with their views on the chantry?
How do you think this will be handled?

[Wynne]

God, I love that gif. It's hilarious!

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Heart - Magic Man
The Who - Behind Blue Eyes
Charon - Colder
Arcade Fire - My Body is a Cage
Dead Island - Trailer Music
Breaking Benjamin - Anthem of the Angels
Warhammer Online Soundtrack - Something Twisted This Way Comes
Hybrid - Break My Soul
Julian Casablancas - Out Of The Blue
Paper Tongues - Get Higher
Burn Halo - Save Me
Three Days Grace - The Animal I've Become
Imogen Heap - Glittering Clouds
30 Seconds To Mars - Hurricane
The Pixies - Where Is My Mind
Muse - Uprising
Thrice - All The World Is Mad

I have weird music taste, I'm not sure I have any good recommendations, but I definitely approve of Glittering Clouds and The Animal I've Become!

"Behind Blue Eyes" and "Magic Man" are classics; love those songs. I'm also crazy about Matthew Good's "Weapon"; I suggested that for Fenris on the other thread, actually--interesting how very different and yet similar the characters are in ways (both are freedom fighters if you think about it.) Quite a nice list in general, too. Here're a few more: 

Disturbed - "Haunted" and "Perfect Insanity"
Beseech - "Innerlane" ~ Lyrics
Flowing Tears - "For My Enemies" ~ Lyrics

Miri1984 wrote...

You know, I really suspect they had the
whole of Awakenings set up as an intro to DA2. NONE of the other
characters flirt with you. Only Anders. And he has all that flirting
dialogue with Velanna, and he ogles the statue of Andraste, he was
specifically designed for people's love interest alerts to go off. I
strongly suspect we Awakening Anders fans were completely had.

....And I'm totally fine with that.

I just replayed Awakening and I was a little shocked by how much foreshadowing there was in places. It gave me the shivers. The epilogues were a bit jarring, but it's really awesome and I love that they chose this direction for Anders.

Poison93 wrote...

After playing Awakening (which I only
bought cause Anders is a LI for DA2 ^^') I'd actually rather romance
Justice/Vengeance instead of Anders. Didn't really like his character as
he never talked about anything else than the chantry/mages thing on
which I don't agree with him... Ser Pounce-a-lot and stupid jokes aside.
*sigh*
I doubt there is the possibility to actually romance Vengeance instead
of Anders on the rivalry path (cause I'll definitely disagree with him
again). Romancing the demon instead of the guy he posesses would be way
more fun and my femHawke definitely needs someone who could handle
her... don't think Anders would be able to ^^.
Would be especially
fun as they completely disagree on wiping out the chantry, etc. ...
they'd be like two trains hitting each other on full speed ^^

Keep in mind that Anders is, this time, written by a different person as well. The short story she wrote for him shows a bit of why he felt as he did, which makes him more sympathetic.

I liked old Anders, but I did wish we'd seen a little more depth to him; gotten to know him better. I think the point in a sense, though, is that not seeing his depth is why the Warden wouldn't fall for him or he for the Warden. I believe Hawke and Anders will click a lot better. And disagreeing with him from Awakening might make your Hawke a better romance option for Anders than he will realize for a while.

I really loved Justice, though. There was such an interesting tension there. I do hope that there is a way to end up with Justice intact (being himself from Awakening and not so much Vengeance.) Put Anders' humor, flirtation, heart, and love of magic together with Justice' brooding, desires, passion for the liberation of victims, etc.--I mean, that sounds great to me. I'm not afraid of not liking Anders--I'm afraid of romancing Anders and then missing the Justice side of him after purging the 'damaging influence.' But who knows? This could end up being very subtle in the execution, not so black-and-white as we might expect.

I do wonder about Flemeth in DA2, and the apostate history of Hawke. I have a feeling those issues will tie together with Anders/Justice is interesting ways. My dearest hope is that there's a way for Anders and Justice to integrate, or for Justice to become what that spirit was for Wynne. Supportive, but not a danger.

Modifié par Wynne, 20 février 2011 - 05:17 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

Regarding a romance with Vengeance on.. I think it was the last page: Unless they somehow become fully intigrated, it was never consumated, or you can romance him as a demon seperated from Anders (lol), I would really find it disgusting. It's Anders' body, Vengeance is just a rowdy houseguest. When I think of the idea of Vengeance using Anders' body for sex against his will, I don't see how I could consider it a romance. It's rape.

lilco wrote...

Shepard Lives wrote...

Anyway, am I the only one who thinks Anders' coat is beyond sweet?

I think he might look better without the coat.

Why stop at the coat? I do really like his new look, though. It still matches his style, it's just a shabbier, edgier version of it.

ALSO! Love the LIs in bed fanart. GORGEOUS.

EDIT: Just finished listening to the new suggestions to the playlist, they're great! I especially love The Moments In Between. And the lyrics to Haunted fit Vengeance/Justice so perfectly.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 20 février 2011 - 05:39 .

[Will-o'-wisp]

Actually I don't think that 'pure' Vengeance would be interested in any romance but since he and Anders now are connected I think he could gain the ability to feel like a human would do... and because of this connection I think it would be impossible for Vengeance to 'rape' Anders cause like in the short story posted in the romances-thread Anders would agree with everything Vengeance does during the time he has control over the body as they're kind of the same being, like when Anders killied those guys. He may think differently afterwards, though.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Poison93 wrote...

Actually I don't think that 'pure' Vengeance would be interested in any romance but since he and Anders now are connected I think he could gain the ability to feel like a human would do... and because of this connection I think it would be impossible for Vengeance to 'rape' Anders cause like in the short story posted in the romances-thread Anders would agree with everything Vengeance does during the time he has control over the body as they're kind of the same being, like when Anders killied those guys. He may think differently afterwards, though.

I'm not sure if Anders was agreeing or if that was a switch in POV that was left murky, though.

[HailTheQueen]

I'm excited to see how Anders interacts with the other party members, personally.



I think he'll get along wonderfully with Varric and Isabela (but she'd better keep her pirate hands off him. Just sayin.), and I really, really want him to interact with Carver alot if Hawke is in a romantic relationship with him. For some reason, I don't think Carver would get along with a sort of abomination like Anders, and if you add to the mix the fact that Anders is spending his spare time smoochin' Hawke, then... I can't see that he would be accepting of that.

[Rinji the Bearded]

HailTheQueen wrote...

I'm excited to see how Anders interacts with the other party members, personally.

I think he'll get along wonderfully with Varric and Isabela (but she'd better keep her pirate hands off him. Just sayin.), and I really, really want him to interact with Carver alot if Hawke is in a romantic relationship with him. For some reason, I don't think Carver would get along with a sort of abomination like Anders, and if you add to the mix the fact that Anders is spending his spare time smoochin' Hawke, then... I can't see that he would be accepting of that.

I'm reminded of another Stephen Lynch song...

Carver> I like my toast buttered~
Anders> And I'll take mine dry~
Carver>  I like the Beatles~
Anders> I'm a Stones kinda guy!
Carver> I have fine taste!
Anders> And I like things cheap!
Carver > I wanna stay up all night!
Anders>  I just wanna sleep ... with your sister ♫
Carver> -- Wait what did you just say?
Anders> Hm?

[Poquimo]

HailTheQueen wrote...

I'm excited to see how Anders interacts with the other party members, personally.

I think he'll get along wonderfully with Varric and Isabela (but she'd better keep her pirate hands off him. Just sayin.), and I really, really want him to interact with Carver alot if Hawke is in a romantic relationship with him. For some reason, I don't think Carver would get along with a sort of abomination like Anders, and if you add to the mix the fact that Anders is spending his spare time smoochin' Hawke, then... I can't see that he would be accepting of that.

I found out something kinda sad about Carver and Bethany though :<
It's kinda spoilery though so I'll just leave a link to the wiki and if people want to know they can click his "Involement" box!
http://dragonage.wik...ki/Carver_Hawke

[kreite]

I can just imagine him being controlled by vengeance in a similar fashion to this

[ThatDancingTurian]

HailTheQueen wrote...

I'm excited to see how Anders interacts with the other party members, personally.

I think he'll get along wonderfully with Varric and Isabela (but she'd better keep her pirate hands off him. Just sayin.), and I really, really want him to interact with Carver alot if Hawke is in a romantic relationship with him. For some reason, I don't think Carver would get along with a sort of abomination like Anders, and if you add to the mix the fact that Anders is spending his spare time smoochin' Hawke, then... I can't see that he would be accepting of that.

I'm afraid Isabela and Anders may hit it off too well, the same goes with Anders and Bethany. Good grief, the guy has been on the run for presumably months and you present him with those fine female specimens? That's like setting steak in front of a starving man.

I'm really interested to see the Anders/Carver and Anders/Sebastian interactions the most, I can just see the tension. Maybe Anders/Fenris too. I'm imagining Fenris a little like Velanna, very uber-serious and stand-offish, which just makes Anders want to mess with him more. ::snerk::

ROFL @ RinjiRenee!

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 20 février 2011 - 07:23 .

[HailTheQueen]

SpottySpec wrote...

HailTheQueen wrote...

I'm excited to see how Anders interacts with the other party members, personally.

I think he'll get along wonderfully with Varric and Isabela (but she'd better keep her pirate hands off him. Just sayin.), and I really, really want him to interact with Carver alot if Hawke is in a romantic relationship with him. For some reason, I don't think Carver would get along with a sort of abomination like Anders, and if you add to the mix the fact that Anders is spending his spare time smoochin' Hawke, then... I can't see that he would be accepting of that.

I found out something kinda sad about Carver and Bethany though :<
It's kinda spoilery though so I'll just leave a link to the wiki and if people want to know they can click his "Involement" box!
http://dragonage.wik...ki/Carver_Hawke

wh-what? 
I... I don't like spoilers.  But i can never seem to resist reading them, even if they're linked on a separate page.
It's like dangling a piece of fatty bacon in front of a dog and expecting them not to grab at it. I HAVE to read them.
I'm weak.

Well... I guess I'll go my first playthrough as a mage, then...And how did I manage to miss that bit of information until now?! 

[HailTheQueen]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

HailTheQueen wrote...

I'm excited to see how Anders interacts with the other party members, personally.

I think he'll get along wonderfully with Varric and Isabela (but she'd better keep her pirate hands off him. Just sayin.), and I really, really want him to interact with Carver alot if Hawke is in a romantic relationship with him. For some reason, I don't think Carver would get along with a sort of abomination like Anders, and if you add to the mix the fact that Anders is spending his spare time smoochin' Hawke, then... I can't see that he would be accepting of that.

I'm afraid Isabela and Anders may hit it off too well, the same goes with Anders and Bethany. Good grief, the guy has been on the run for presumably months and you present him with those fine female specimens? That's like setting steak in front of a starving man.

I'm really interested to see the Anders/Carver and Anders/Sebastian interactions the most, I can just see the tension. Maybe Anders/Fenris too. I'm imagining Fenris a little like Velanna, very uber-serious and stand-offish, which just makes Anders want to mess with him more. ::snerk::

ROFL @ RinjiRenee!

Anders is a very lucky man in that respect, then.  Just happens to join up with a group filled with lovely women. He'll be in heaven.

I'm hoping that I like Fenris more than Velanna, though... about the only thing I liked about her was her banter with Anders!

[SurelyForth]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
I'm afraid Isabela and Anders may hit it off too well, the same goes with Anders and Bethany. Good grief, the guy has been on the run for presumably months and you present him with those fine female specimens? That's like setting steak in front of a starving man.

I'm really interested to see the Anders/Carver and Anders/Sebastian interactions the most, I can just see the tension. Maybe Anders/Fenris too. I'm imagining Fenris a little like Velanna, very uber-serious and stand-offish, which just makes Anders want to mess with him more. ::snerk::

ROFL @ RinjiRenee!

I am all for Isabela/Anders flirt banter, but I'm a weirdo fangirl who ships Alistair/Leliana (and I love them both as LIs). 

But I plan on using Bethany and Leandra's hotness as Anders bait. Lure him to the Amell estate with the promise of three gorgeous women, only one of which is willing to l look past his little issue? Yes. It's pretty much failsafe, especially after my Hawke spins all kinds of tall tales to scare off Bethany.

[Poquimo]

HailTheQueen wrote...

SpottySpec wrote...

HailTheQueen wrote...

I'm excited to see how Anders interacts with the other party members, personally.

I think he'll get along wonderfully with Varric and Isabela (but she'd better keep her pirate hands off him. Just sayin.), and I really, really want him to interact with Carver alot if Hawke is in a romantic relationship with him. For some reason, I don't think Carver would get along with a sort of abomination like Anders, and if you add to the mix the fact that Anders is spending his spare time smoochin' Hawke, then... I can't see that he would be accepting of that.

I found out something kinda sad about Carver and Bethany though :<
It's kinda spoilery though so I'll just leave a link to the wiki and if people want to know they can click his "Involement" box!
http://dragonage.wik...ki/Carver_Hawke

wh-what? 
I... I don't like spoilers.  But i can never seem to resist reading them, even if they're linked on a separate page.
It's like dangling a piece of fatty bacon in front of a dog and expecting them not to grab at it. I HAVE to read them.
I'm weak.

Well... I guess I'll go my first playthrough as a mage, then...And how did I manage to miss that bit of information until now?! 

I was so bummed out about it since I want my first playthrough to be as a rogue! :<
I'll just have to play through twice it seems, which granted I probably would have anyway haha

[Miri1984]

Lupus Yondergirl made all my dreams come true and did a dancing Anders gif :

[ThatDancingTurian]

Miri, that may very well be the best thing I've seen all day. Amazing. I don't even know how one would go about doing that, but bravo to Lupus Yondergirl.

SurelyForth wrote...

But I plan on using Bethany and Leandra's hotness as Anders bait. Lure him to the Amell estate with the promise of three gorgeous women, only one of which is willing to l look past his little issue? Yes. It's pretty much failsafe, especially after my Hawke spins all kinds of tall tales to scare off Bethany.

Ingenious.

Hawke: ... so it's safe for me, but he said if mages get too close to him, they might 'catch' the abomination from him like a virus.
Bethany: Wh.. what? That's not how abominations work!
Hawke: Who would know better, Bethany? You, or the guy with a demon in his head? Just sayin'.
Anders: [swaggers in] Ladies.
Bethany: I just.. um.. I've got to do.. some.. [runs]

[Starflower2525]

Miri1984 wrote...

Lupus Yondergirl made all my dreams come true and did a dancing Anders gif :

Cool gif, that has made my evening

[leggywillow]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

But I plan on using Bethany and Leandra's hotness as Anders bait. Lure him to the Amell estate with the promise of three gorgeous women, only one of which is willing to l look past his little issue? Yes. It's pretty much failsafe, especially after my Hawke spins all kinds of tall tales to scare off Bethany.

Ingenious.

Hawke: ... so it's safe for me, but he said if mages get too close to him, they might 'catch' the abomination from him like a virus.
Bethany: Wh.. what? That's not how abominations work!
Hawke: Who would know better, Bethany? You, or the guy with a demon in his head? Just sayin'.
Anders: [swaggers in] Ladies.
Bethany: I just.. um.. I've got to do.. some.. [runs]

I love it!   Now if only Isabela could be scared off as easily...

Hawke: He loses control of the demon when he's... you know.  Best to stay away from him
Isabela:  Ooh, sounds... intriguing.  The strength of a demon in the bedroom!
Hawke: Not like that!  I mean... he, um... loses control and kills you!
Isabela: Sexy!
Hawke: Seriously, 9 out of 10 women he beds end up torn limb from limb
Isabela: I always love a challenge
Hawke: 

[Miri1984]

@LeggyWillow I suspect my Hwake would just give in at that point and ask her to join them.