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Ahillamon

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ReallyRue wrote...

Ahillamon wrote...

panamakira wrote...

hmmmmm~ I don't think it bothers me he's BI I just don't want him to be like Zevran and kind of imply flirtations/sex with other men too~ Hard to explain.

If it's true he's BI, I find it weird because he never gave any indication in Awakening. hmm~


Maybe he was trying to hide it? After all, he had no reason to suddenly tell the Warden "Oh btw, I dig dudes as well". :) 
And all the talk about pretty girls could be just him covering up his insecurity. We've seen plenty of real life examples of people who really emphasize their straightness until something finally makes them come out and admit the truth.  ;)


Anders didn't look like he was looking for a relationship in Awakening anyway, so maybe he just didn't mention it to the Warden because he didn't want to offend or anything. Zevran and Leliana already noted that Fereldens seem to be touchy about this stuff. He also didn't seem to like divulging personal info.

Besides, I think they're all bi. Posted Image


Exactly, Anders tried really hard to dodge answering any personal questions in Awakening, so no wonder he didn't mention it.
And if they aren't bi in the vanilla game, then they shall be as soon as the mod tools arrive. :o

Modifié par Ahillamon, 26 février 2011 - 04:04 .


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I'm hoping for the All Bi option, but I won't be surprised if it doesn't happen. That said, not really too fussed which is which: I have a hard time playing male characters, so my options as Lady Hawke will be the same regardless of which male also does m/m. I hope we can flirt with any companion, regardless of which way they swing. Making saucy remarks to Merrill just to make her blush is so in character for my rogue.
I just hope they don't go all "the demon/abusive magister made me like boys", because that's a crappy, crappy thing to do, both to the character and the players.

Modifié par Threeparts, 26 février 2011 - 04:08 .


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My issue with Anders being bi is that he wasn't portrayed that way in Awakening. I mean, based on one of the random discussions with Oghren, (the convo where they were throwing insults at each other, and Anders gets burned at the end), he doesn't really dig dudes.



Man, I feel this guy's being retconned left and right. First, it's his status irregardless of the Awakening epilogue, then this (although his preferences are a bit more excusable).

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Threeparts wrote...

I just hope they don't go all "the demon/abusive magister made me like boys", because that's a crappy, crappy thing to do, both to the character and the players.


This.

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karahasan wrote...

My issue with Anders being bi is that he wasn't portrayed that way in Awakening. I mean, based on one of the random discussions with Oghren, (the convo where they were throwing insults at each other, and Anders gets burned at the end), he doesn't really dig dudes.

Man, I feel this guy's being retconned left and right. First, it's his status irregardless of the Awakening epilogue, then this (although his preferences are a bit more excusable).


And yet some people claim he was also flirting with Nate. I think it's clear either way that he likes the ladies, and that if it's true that he also likes men, he felt no reason to let anyone at Vigil's Keep know. Perhaps he was ashamed, or didn't know it himself, or simply didn't see the need to touch on an issue that many Fereldans seem to have a problem with. He knew them for all of six months, and if he'd experienced prejudice in the past he would have good reason not to bring it up.
They're excuses, and poor excuses at that, but there's wriggle room for the writers without calling it a retcon. Call it a "hitherto unexplored side of his personality". :lol:

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catabuca wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

I just hope they don't go all "the demon/abusive magister made me like boys", because that's a crappy, crappy thing to do, both to the character and the players.


This.

I'm sure BioWare can invent something better. Even I can invent something better:

- Commander never asked.
- he always was bi, he just never thought about it until he fell in love with Justice (<- joke, btw)
- he always was bi and was actually flirting with Nate and playing hard to get with Oghren.
- he always was bi, but had more women than men because they were easier to find.

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Threeparts wrote...

I'm hoping for the All Bi option, but I won't be surprised if it doesn't happen. That said, not really too fussed which is which: I have a hard time playing male characters, so my options as Lady Hawke will be the same regardless of which male also does m/m. I hope we can flirt with any companion, regardless of which way they swing. Making saucy remarks to Merrill just to make her blush is so in character for my rogue.
I just hope they don't go all "the demon/abusive magister made me like boys", because that's a crappy, crappy thing to do, both to the character and the players.


I agree. I don't care which guy they make bi, but to say something turned them bi/gay is just wrong. Not to mention I know quiet a few idiots people who think being bi or gay is the work of demons. I hope/think BioWare is smart enough to realize that by making Anders bi just because of J/V would be a huge slap in the face to the bi and gay players.

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karahasan wrote...

My issue with Anders being bi is that he wasn't portrayed that way in Awakening. I mean, based on one of the random discussions with Oghren, (the convo where they were throwing insults at each other, and Anders gets burned at the end), he doesn't really dig dudes.

Man, I feel this guy's being retconned left and right. First, it's his status irregardless of the Awakening epilogue, then this (although his preferences are a bit more excusable).


Well, yesterday I found out that Anders is being voiced by a different person in DA2 and it feels awkward. I'll wait and see how it is, but I really liked Greg Ellis :( you know, it makes Anders being Anders.. kind of.

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karahasan wrote...

My issue with Anders being bi is that he wasn't portrayed that way in Awakening. I mean, based on one of the random discussions with Oghren, (the convo where they were throwing insults at each other, and Anders gets burned at the end), he doesn't really dig dudes.

Man, I feel this guy's being retconned left and right. First, it's his status irregardless of the Awakening epilogue, then this (although his preferences are a bit more excusable).


Though I am neutral about the possibility of Anders being bi (since I plan on playing msotly fem!Hawkes) it could just be that Anders was grossed out by this conversation because it was a Templar.  He suggests that he did a female Templar, but that could just be Anders being... well, Anders and telling that version to avoid telling how he was really caught all the time.

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Poster in the m/m thread just informed us that a German magazine has Fenris as the m/m option, with a screenshot of mHawke talking to Fenris, with the <3 icon in the dialogue wheel.

*they're all bi, they're all bi, they're all bi*

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karahasan wrote...

My issue with Anders being bi is that he wasn't portrayed that way in Awakening. I mean, based on one of the random discussions with Oghren, (the convo where they were throwing insults at each other, and Anders gets burned at the end), he doesn't really dig dudes.

Man, I feel this guy's being retconned left and right. First, it's his status irregardless of the Awakening epilogue, then this (although his preferences are a bit more excusable).


His going 'eeeew' was less because Oghren was making a homosexual joke, and more because Oghren's joke implied being raped.

I really don't like people referencing this moment as reasons why Anders isn't Bi. Anyone would find that joke offensive.

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HolyJellyfish wrote...

His going 'eeeew' was less because Oghren was making a homosexual joke, and more because Oghren's joke implied being raped.

I really don't like people referencing this moment as reasons why Anders isn't Bi. Anyone would find that joke offensive.


This.

On the other hand, I don't like people saying Anders is clearly bi just because he likes cats and wears an earring. I dunno, I just got the straight vibe from him, personally.

Still, if this demo file thing turns out to be legit, then I can eat my words and get on with my life. :whistle:

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EighmyLupin wrote...

 I don't care which guy they make bi, but to say something turned them bi/gay is just wrong. Not to mention I know quiet a few idiots people who think being bi or gay is the work of demons. I hope/think BioWare is smart enough to realize that by making Anders bi just because of J/V would be a huge slap in the face to the bi and gay players.


That wouldn't work.

If for example he is bi because of justice and we can remove justice then what?

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*They're all bi, they're all bi, they're all bi*



Nah, I'm holding my breath on that one. But will I really sadface is Anders is bi? Nah. I'm sure they'll justify it somehow... as long as it isn't "demon possession made me like men too."

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We're chanting now? Nice.

*They're all bi, they're all bi, they're all bi*

I hope we can flirt with all the companions though, even the unromanceable ones. I can imagine some saucy exchanges with Varric, and Sebastian uncomfortable. And getting a good hard stare from Aveline for being silly and frivolous.

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The one thing I worry about concerning Anders' romance is whether the "love of a good Hawke" (whether male or female) will be required to save him. I don't want to get to the end game and learn that because I didn't romance him, or romance him the "right" way, he is doomed, or he will not be on my side, or something equally sad. I'm a little more concerned about this if he is indeed bi, since the option will be there for both sexes, but I hope they don't go that route.

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TeenZombie wrote...

The one thing I worry about concerning Anders' romance is whether the "love of a good Hawke" (whether male or female) will be required to save him. I don't want to get to the end game and learn that because I didn't romance him, or romance him the "right" way, he is doomed, or he will not be on my side, or something equally sad. I'm a little more concerned about this if he is indeed bi, since the option will be there for both sexes, but I hope they don't go that route.


The part I bolded is something that has been bothering me. Not just about Anders but all the LIs. As there are two relationship paths (whether platonic or romantic), I worry that one of them will lead to an unfortunate ending. And I don't want that.

*pouts*

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I wouldn't go that far - being required to romance someone just to keep them alive would be problematic. High Friendship or Rivalry might be required to save him, but probably not being in a relationship.

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catabuca wrote...

The part I bolded is something that has been bothering me. Not just about Anders but all the LIs. As there are two relationship paths (whether platonic or romantic), I worry that one of them will lead to an unfortunate ending. And I don't want that.

*pouts*


But just think of the replay value! :lol:

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 My indecent lady Hawke will totally ask Anders about it.

f!Hawke: Do you like men, Anders?
Anders: Wow, I must say you have a talent to ask unexpected questions.
Hawke: Thank you, now how about to give me the answer?
Anders: I'm slightly worried why would you want to know?
Hawke: Because.
Anders: Oh, Maker, tell me you are NOT hiding a BIG secret under that skirt!
Hawke: WHAT???? NOOO!!!
Anders: Such a relief!
Hawke: And I still don't have my answer.
Anders: You know, I may like men, women, frogs, snakes, dwarves with epic chest hair, archdemons even. But I believe it doesn't matter as long as I prefer you to all the temptations this world can provide?
Hawke: "This world"? I want to talk to Anders, please.
Anders: *sigh*
Hawke: Wait, didn't you just say that you love me? :wub:
Anders: *smirks* Answering your questions is always so exhausting, m'lady *yawns*
Hawke: Tired already? All right, we are not in the hurry and I believe we can spend the rest of the day in bed.
Anders: And night. I'm not going out  when the streets are dark. Scary.
Hawke: I have no objections :kissing:

Modifié par Galagraphia, 26 février 2011 - 07:23 .


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I nom nom nom on this thread with a big spoon. I don't care if Anders if bi or not as long as my Lady Hawke gets to disrobe him. 

*They're all bi, they're all bi, they're all bi*

That would be fun as all heck.

Modifié par Eshaye, 26 février 2011 - 07:46 .


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May I remind everyone doubting the Anders bi-ness of this little exchange:

Nate: You don't always where robes, do you?
Anders (sexy voice): Not when I'm naked I don't.

Honestly, I can't be the only one who found so much of his dialogue with Nate to be rather flirty. I mean, I know I tend to wear my slash goggles at all times, but I'm also right a lot of the time. (Seriously, TV shows and books that try to make a surprise reveal of a character's sexuality have never fooled me.)

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Mmmm. Bi Anders. Just as tasty. More so. But how do I stop my m!Hawkes from cheating on Merrill??? (I don't see Isabela having a problem with it, providing she can join in).

He certainly LOOKS at Alim like he'd give it a go :

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highcastle wrote...

May I remind everyone doubting the Anders bi-ness of this little exchange:

Nate: You don't always where robes, do you?
Anders (sexy voice): Not when I'm naked I don't.

Honestly, I can't be the only one who found so much of his dialogue with Nate to be rather flirty. I mean, I know I tend to wear my slash goggles at all times, but I'm also right a lot of the time. (Seriously, TV shows and books that try to make a surprise reveal of a character's sexuality have never fooled me.)


One thing I have learned from the internets: there is no such thing as no gay subtext. Gay subtext – it is everywhere.

So yes, I found that little exchange interesting, from a purely academic pov you understand. *dons glasses and looks intelligent*

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Right folks, I don't know if there's a prompt going, and this is probably waaay too long, but this si taking too long to come up on fanfiction.net and I'd like to hear what folks think.

I quite like the idea of a slightly darker, more serious Anders, and that's what I've tried to give over here. So... err... let me know what you think?

EDIT: If you dislike the forum format it is also here:  http://www.fanfictio...1/A_Rainy_Night

A Rainy Night

In a narrow sidestreet in Kirkwall, Marian Hawke pulled on another sweater to keep out the chills. Her little house was not the warmest of places, especially when she had been away for three days in the Deep Roads. Now the fire was burning brightly again, one of the useful things about being a mage was that you never had to fiddle with flints, and the glow made even the tired,peeling walls seem cheerful. Crossing the room, she opened the door to allow the heat through into the bedroom. The last thing she wanted was to sleep in a cold bed once again. The patter of the rain on her narrow roof made her feel glad she was indoors. Putting water on to boil, she curled up in her chair by the fire, looking into the flames.

She was glad that she had taken up Isabella’s offer to use the hot water at the Inn. So often she’d return home tired, aching and dirty, only to have to wait for an hour while the water heated to wash in. At least now she felt clean, even if she was tired and aching. Of course, it would have been easier if she could just return home to Carver and mother, but such things didn’t bear thinking about. Then there was the thought that two mages could heat water far quicker than one, and that washing shared was not only economical, but rather pleasant, but that didn’t bear thinking about either. She sighed, letting the flames draw in her gaze, and her mind wander.

The water was coming up to a simmer when she heard a noise out in the alley, the distinctive sound of someone kicking a loose crate. Alarm spiking, Marian reached for her staff and stood beside the door.

“Who’s there?” she called.

Getting no response she pulled the door open and peered round the frame. The shadowy figure beside her cursed, and sighed.

“Anders?” she said, stepping out into the alley, “What are you doing here?”

Leaning up against the wall, with the rain pouring down on him, Anders stood with his face upturned to the heavens. As she adjusted to the darkness, she could see that his eyes were closed. She reached out to him, putting her hand on his shoulder, feeling the sodden fur of his robes.

He shook his head, letting it drop with a sigh. “If only I knew,” he said, unable to look at her, “If only.”

She frowned, pushing her rapidly dampening fringe back from her face. “You didn’t want to come? Did Vengeance make you?”

“No,” he whispered, kicking the toe of his boot against the ground, “No, I wanted to. I wanted to talk to you, but...” he looked up at the murderous sky, “Now that I’m here it feels like the worst idea in the world.”

The thunder rumbled above them, and Hawke shivered. “Look, just come inside will you?” she asked, tilting her head so that she caught his eye, “We’ll catch our death if you stay out here.”

Reluctantly he followed her into the cottage, unbuckling his coat, which Marian took and hung on the back of the door. She pulled off the wet jumper she was wearing and draped it over the back of a chair. The water was boiling, she looked up at him as he shook the water from his hair.

“Do you want some tea?” she asked, “I was just going to make some.”

He looked smaller without his coat. She’d never realized it was so bulky. He stood there in his breeches and shirt, and she saw for the first time how narrow his hips were, and how slim his waist. She offered him the chair by the fire with a gesture, and he sat, looking nervously around him.

“This is where you live?” he said quietly, as she poured the water in the pot, “I never thought it would be so small.”

She smiled slightly, putting the lid into the top of the pot. “You mean compared with what I’m used to?” she asked, glancing back over her shoulder.

“In all honesty?” he replied, his eyes following her as she crossed the room, fetching a small table from beside the door, “Yes.”

She placed the table beside him with the teapot on top, and turned to fetch herself a chair from the dining table. “Mother never forgave me for what happened to Bethany,” she said, matter-of-factly, “The last thing I would ever want is to hurt her any more...” she took some cups down from the shelf over the fireplace, “any more than I already have. I live here now, it’s for the best.” She placed the cups down on the table and sat herself down beside him.

“It’s nice,” he said, avoiding looking at her, “it suits you I think.”

“Thank you,” she said, crossing her legs on the chair, “I actually like it a lot. It’s quiet here. I like having time to think.”

He looked up at her, saw the fire reflected in her eyes. “You think about Bethany, your sister?”

She nodded. “Sometimes,” she said quietly, as the fire crackled and snapped, “Sometimes it feels like I can’t think about anything else. I miss her so much. Other times I wonder if I’ve been doing the right things.”

He found himself frowning. “You don’t regret what you’ve done, do you?” He asked, his pulse increasing as their eyes connected.

To his surprise she blushed, looking away. “Quite often yes,” she said, almost laughing, “as silly as that may sound. I’m not as fearless or as thoughtless as everybody seems to think.”

She looked up at him, and was startled by the softness of his gaze. “I never said you were,” he said.

She smiled, her breath hitching a little in her throat. “I know you didn’t,” she said quietly, “You’re probably the only one.”

His eyes stayed locked with hers too long, the moment stretching out in silence. He flushed slightly, looking away. “Hawke I...”

“It’s Marian,” she interrupted, pouring the tea, “I hate the way everyone calls me Hawke.”

“Marian...” he said slowly, as though savouring it, “It’s a beautiful name.”

“And yet, somehow,” she said, passing him a cup with a strange smile, “so very easy to forget.”

He took the cup gingerly, holding it with the tips of his fingers around the rim. “Well I promise I won’t,” he said, smiling warmly.

She smiled, leaning back into the chair as she inhaled the steam from her cup, one leg dangling. “So, Anders,” she said, looking directly at him over the rim of her cup, “why don’t you tell me what you were doing outside my house?”

He shifted uneasily, blowing on the surface of his tea. “I came to see you,” he said, eventually.

“But you stood outside,” she replied, not about to let hima void the conversation, “In the rain.

He sighed, nodding slightly. “I did,” he said, putting his cup down on the table, sitting forward in his seat, “I came here with a purpose. I wanted to talk to you, to tell you...” he shifted in his seat, frowning, “But I passed your window, saw you sitting there, contented. What I wanted to say, what I felt I had to tell you, would only spoil that. My desires are selfish,” he got to his feet, looking down at her with darkened eyes, “I should
just leave you in piece.”

He moved forward, but she stood up, placing herself in the way of the door. “You’re doing it again,” she said, not looking at him

“Doing what?”

She looked up into his eyes, and he could see that she was angry. “Making decisions about what’s best for me, making judgements, just like everyone else,” she said, shaking her head, “You assume that I want [/i]to be alone. You assume that I would rather live my life through ‘great deeds’ and ‘mighty words’ than as a person,” her eyes connected with his, her vulnerability shining through like a light, “I don’t want to be alone. I was not content when you saw me.”

When she looked at him like that, he knew that fighting her was pointless. He was already lost. “Then what do you want Marian?” he asked, reaching down to take her hand, “Tell me, and I will do... anything in my power
to make it yours.”

She frowned. “Can’t you see?” she asked, stepping closer to him, “Isn’t it obvious? I want...” she faltered, looking away.

“Yes?”

He tried to catch her gaze, watched as she drew a deep breath and looked up into his face. “Anders you came here with something to say,” she said firmly, “I want to hear you say it. I want you to be honest with me.”

She had caught him there. “That isn’t what you were going to say,” he said, attempting to shirk the question, though they both knew she had come too far to let him back down.

“Tell me,” she said, fixing him with her piercing gaze.

He shook his head. “I shouldn’t.”

“Then you lied to me,” she said, dropping his hand.

“I didn’t I...” he hesitated, knowing he couldn’t fight her off much longer.

“Then tell me,”she said, her voice tinged with desperation.

He sighed, closing his eyes. “I love you Marian. That’s what I came to tell you.”

He heard her relieved breath, felt her there, standing so close to him. “I know,” she murmured.

He opened his eyes, seeing the peace in her face as he moved to brush past her. “Then you understand why I should never have said it,” he said, moving towards the door.

“No,” she said, stopping him with a hand on his arm, turning him towards her, “That I don’t understand.”

Those eyes would be the death of him yet. “I’m an abomination, Marian,” he said angrily, “One of these days a Templar’s going to figure that out and cut off my head, and if you try and stop him, he’ll probably cut off yours too.” He moved forward, pushing her to one side as he headed to the door.

“I know that Anders,” she said, as he reached for his coat, “I’m not a fool. What you fail to understand is that telling me how you feel makes no difference. I love you. I have done for years. I was always going to try to stop them. I would have done even if I didn’t feel this way.”

He turned back to look at her, his eyes flashing with anger. “But why? Why risk yourself like that?”

She stepped forward, her voice as vehement as his own, “Because it could happen to any of us. Because it deserves to be understood and not simply feared,” she moved closer to him, taking his hand again, “Because you’re
a good person, and I know you’d do anything to take back your mistakes.”

He hung his head, unable to look at her. “Please, don’t do this,” he said quietly, “Don’t try and make this alright. I don’t deserve it.”

Her hand cupped his cheek, tilting his face to look into her own. “You’re wrong,” she said, looking at him tenderly, “I’m not trying to do anything, I’m just telling you how I feel. I love you Anders, I mean that.”

His stomach turned within him. “And I love you,” he whispered, lowering his mouth to hers.

It was the first time their lips had touched.

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