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[Knal1991]

This is an awesome plot twist, imo having Both Justice and Anders return in this way is awesoome..

He will definatly be in my party... I have to say though, you guys created some seriously interesting characters.....

The only problem I am having now is who to take with, I really like Fenris so far so he's probably in, then theres anders which I really want to take with me... which unfortunatly will mean I have two mages me and himself (which kind of supports the fact that I should be warrior this tiime) Either Isabella Varrric (for story purposes), or vael (for awesome pruposes... oh and I forgot Merryl O_O'

I cannot choose

EDIT: Obviously the companions seem to be my main incentive to play this game multiple times it seems... (and reaver)...

Modifié par Knal1991, 09 février 2011 - 01:03 .

[Maria13]

Will Anders/Justice be dually romanceable? I.e. you can romance one or the other or both?



That would be an interesting experience their personalities being quite different...

[Spartansfan8888]

hhh89 wrote...

I don't tink Anders is going to die no matter what. I am really interested on how they handled Anders-Vengeance. Probably the thing I like most is the fact that a spirit can be corrupted and become a "demonic spirit".
Maybe one of Anders's quest gives us the possibility to go into the Fade and fight Vengeance.

I think that is a possibility but they are going to have to learn/receive the ritual from someone other than the circle of magi.  There may be another apostate like Jowan who knows how to do it but even he probably learned it from something/one at the circle of magi in Fereldan

[Johnny Shepard]

Justice being a Spirit who does not wish to go to far and bvecome a Demon, I would say no. Unless he has changed so compleatle that he is more Demon then Spirit.

[The Elder King]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

Justice being a Spirit who does not wish to go to far and bvecome a Demon, I would say no. Unless he has changed so compleatle that he is more Demon then Spirit.

It's been called "demonic spirit" whic pars with "malicious spirit" (Wynne said that if I'm correct) in my opinion. Plus, Vengeance is the negative aspect of Justice.

[Ashaman X]

I wonder how Roxanne, my mage, is feeling after Anders basically ditched Vigil's Keep. I do hope that as you get to know Anders, he will explain why he left in the first place and that it's a good reason. Roxanne and him were very good friends, even if they didn't have the same views on some things. Wardens just don't walk away from each other like that.



The interesting part of course is that Hawke can be related to your Warden if you played as a human mage. In a way, he will at least be with family, so it's going to be interesting stuff.



March can't come fast enough now...

[Jessihatt]

Oh goodness. I love this :')

I was miffed at first that Anders mighta been dead but then Justice becoming a spirit of vengeance and Anders battling against it, ahh 'tis like a dream! And also their input on others personal quests will be interesting..

I hope he still makes lame jokes, of course, not as often.

[Northern Sun]

Well, demonic possession would explain how Anders can be in II even if he was killed in Awakening, if Sophia Dryden was any indication.

[_Aine_]

I think this Anders/Justice/Vengeance twist is very interesting. I am just now finally going through Awakenings and Justice *is* or perhaps *was* always the sort to be corrupted in the first place. He was too adamant in believing his own opinion, almost righteously fanatical about it, and where there is fanaticism there is an opportunity for it to be perverted for their own cause. Of course, he all the while was seemingly enthralled about the experiences and feelings he was having as experiencing humanity. So, that was a good fit there, in my opinion. It will be *really* interesting to see how they do this. He magnified his hosts body feelings and experiences so that is likely what he is doing to Anders (in Anders?) I liked Anders already enough, but I think this will add a really cool feature to him that will deepen his character considerably. Can't wait to play the game now

[lionsfan208]

Anders was pretty cool before but now he is cool as ****.

[Eudaemonium]

Ninotchka wrote...

Wow, well okay then. I am going to start a fresh replay of Awakening tonight and try something new (and that's actually quite hard to do in my case). I almost feel sick when companions I adore turn around and want to kill me......

I think the DR with Morrigan more than guarantees "things more dramatic later", so the Architect+Morrigan old god baby = major major dramz 

Justice's battle theme.... is that the music or his battle cry? Hmmm I've got to pay a bit more attention but Justice's time in Awakening seems too short to me anyway...

Oh, I meant the Architect's battle theme (which you have probably heard a fair bit). As far as I know, your party doesn't get a unique theme if you have to kill them. I usually leave Justice and Sigrun at the Keep so I don't have to kill them - of course, that means Justice dies anyway unless I burn the City =P.

My canon Warden doesn't have the DR, sadly, since I went for "super tragic" with her and had her feed Alistair to the Archdemon, followed by a breakdown and lots of crazy stuff (like burning Amaranthine). She stabbed Morrigan in the end for "betraying" her. It was sad. There was tragic music and everything.

Though, I have other games with DR+Architect+Burnt Amaranthine+Etc for the awesome dramaz! Some of them even have happy endings!

shantisands wrote...

I think this Anders/Justice/Vengeance
twist is very interesting. I am just now finally going through
Awakenings and Justice *is* or perhaps *was* always the sort to be
corrupted in the first place. He was too adamant in believing his own
opinion, almost righteously fanatical about it, and where there is
fanaticism there is an opportunity for it to be perverted for their own
cause. Of course, he all the while was seemingly enthralled about the
experiences and feelings he was having as experiencing humanity. So,
that was a good fit there, in my opinion. It will be *really*
interesting to see how they do this. He magnified his hosts body
feelings and experiences so that is likely what he is doing to Anders
(in Anders?) I liked Anders already enough, but I think this will add a
really cool feature to him that will deepen his character considerably.
Can't wait to play the game now

I agree with this completely. They managed to bring back probably my two favourite Awakening characters as one! I am overjoyed. Its like knowing you've got this awesome present for Christmas but have to wait to see exactly how it works.

Modifié par Eudaemonium, 09 février 2011 - 03:07 .

[dpixie87]

I can't help but feel sorry for Justice. Going over one of the conversations he had with Anders in Awakening it comes across that he's frighted of the idea of turning into a demon. To have it happen to him while trying to help out a friend is just so sad.



And it's possible that Anders knows this and feels guilty about it. Possible plot point?

[LuluLyssa]

I don't know how I feel about this. I didn't particularily like or dislike Anders in Awakening but I definitely don't like killing party members and why do I have this awful feeling that no matter what poor Anders is going to end up six feet under... or a reanimated corpse.

[Beryf]

This is the first time ever DA2 anouncement made me upset.

I adored Anders, I hate him now. Its because of him Justice. the best character ever created by Bioware, turned wrong.

Hopefully there will be a way to cure himT_T

[Beryf]

though yes, it IS epic

[contextual_entity]

I'm more interested than excited, tbh. How much of Anders is now, well... Anders. How much is Justice and how much vengeance. Does his crusade against the Chantry have any relation on the Templar talking to Varric (forget her name.. I fail.)



Oh, the possibilities.

[WarmachineX0]

Go for the eyes Ser Pounce-a-lot, go for the eyes.

[Gennojo Ryuga]

Justice: Why do you not strike a blow against your oppressors?
Ensure they can do this to no one else?

Justice: You have seen oppression and are now free. You must act
to free those who remain oppressed.

Warden: Was the circle really that bad?
Anders: The problem is that mages are tolerated, barely. It's like you need permission to be alive
Anders: There's nothing a mage can do to prove himself. Everyone needs to be protected from you. The end.

Sounds to me that the foundation was already being laid in Awakening and we didn't realize it.

Anders did have a deep rooted hatred for the chantry and what it stands for.  His dialogue is laced with chantry and circle bitterness if you listen to it closely.

Justice started feeling negative emotions like envy and anger.  It could have been possible that the perception of what justice is can be skewed and twisted from it's original pure sense of the virtue.

I think the corruption took place because after Justice witness all these negative emotions and memories deeply rooted in Anders.  It angers him, so much that it twisted his perception of what justice is. 

How many times have you seen vengeance motivated people say this line "it's not about revenge it's about justice!"

Modifié par Gennojo Ryuga, 09 février 2011 - 04:26 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Gennojo Ryuga wrote...

Justice: Why do you not strike a blow against your oppressors?
Ensure they can do this to no one else?

Justice: You have seen oppression and are now free. You must act
to free those who remain oppressed.

Warden: Was the circle really that bad?
Anders: The problem is that mages are tolerated, barely. It's like you need permission to be alive
Anders: There's nothing a mage can do to prove himself. Everyone needs to be protected from you. The end.

Sounds to me that the foundation was already being laid in Awakening and we didn't realize it.

Anders did have a deep rooted hatred for the chantry and what it stands for.  His dialogue is laced with chantry and circle bitterness if you listen to it closely.

Justice started feeling negative emotions like envy and anger.  It could have been possible that the perception of what justice is can be skewed and twisted from it's original pure sense of the virtue.

I think the corruption took place because after Justice witness all these negative emotions and memories deeply rooted in Anders.  It angers him, so much that it twisted his perception of what justice is. 

How many times have you seen vengeance motivated people say this line "it's not about revenge it's about justice!"

Yeah, people are willing to flame Anders because they think he corrupted Justice on purpose or something.  Anders has a lot of pent up angst towards the Chantry (hey, I can't exactly blame him either), and spirits and demons alike feed on human emotion... without even realizing it, Anders corrupted Justice into Vengeance and is now trying to quell it -- unless Vengeance's influence gets the better of him.  Hello!  Personal Quest!

[RurouniSaiya-jin]

Really glad to see Anders returning. He was tied with Sigrun for favorite Awakening companion. This change in his character seems very interesting. I'm looking forward to see how his character develops

[dreamextractor]

I don't have much else to add but I have to say that I am very much in love with this idea. I loved Anders, and Justice was perhaps my FAVORITE character of DA Awakening. I'm extremely excited to see an entirely different side to both of them - I just hope we can save Justice

[Cypher0020]

hey do you think MageHawke and Anders can discuss the joys of apostate life?



Y'know being apostates, and running from the Chantry, and stuff like that?



My magehawke will find Anders tales of the Circle Tower bizzare, and smothering.... she wouldn't see eye to eye with Morrigan either, but wouldn't approve of the Chantry oppressing Templars...



She knows Templars are needed...but she sees nothing wrong with mages being free, and checking up maybe once a month with a local templar then leaving...

[ReallyRue]

Anders?! What have you done to Justice?