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[moilami]

Dante Angelo wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I honestly think that's going to be a huge part of the plot. I mean, we know from the Connor situation that there's a way to get rid of demonic possession - but it involves killing or making a deal with the demon. Anders, being ex-circle, must be aware there's a way to go into the fade and rid himself of Vengeance, but the fact that he's choosing not to means one of two things - the first, that I don't like (for obvious reasons) is that Vengeance is the only thing keeping him alive. The second, which I like better (also for obvious reasons!) is that Anders wants Justice back the way he was and thinks there's a way for him to make that happen - he feels guilty that his anger has corrupted the spirit.

Really, from their conversations in Awakening I'm leading towards the second reason. I only hope that it's correct and we can help them both.

in order to kill a demon someone need lots of lyrium or blood magic and I think someone other than the one who's possesed must go into the fade and needs to be a mage maybe thats why Anders hasn't done it or maybe he's to lazy

In case of that second option Anders would need forgiveness to change Vengeance back to Justice.

[Miri1984]

Or he'd need to complete the quest that caused Vengeance to rise in the first place and destroy the Circle of Magi.

[sierra-357]

Wow, the whole Anders and Spirit of Vengeance dynamic reminds of Wild Flower and Chai Ka. I wonder if Ander's personal quest involves having the Spirit of Vengeance revert to being a Spirit of Justice?

[Addai]

Miri1984 wrote...
Really, from their conversations in Awakening I'm leading towards the second reason. I only hope that it's correct and we can help them both.

I thought about this.  My first thought was that as apostates it would be difficult to get enough lyrium and mage support to do the ritual to confront the demon in the Fade.  My second thought was that Justice is no longer IN the Fade the same way that Connor's demon was.  Or is he?  Not sure how that works.

[moilami]

Miri1984 wrote...

Or he'd need to complete the quest that caused Vengeance to rise in the first place and destroy the Circle of Magi.

Lol yes, but there would still be Vengeance left. And the question was how to convert Vengeance back to Justice. So I would say that Anders would have to forgive Chantry and let it exist without powers to abuse mages. It would be forgiving, justice, and he could get rid of vengeance thus helping Justice get back. Now, how to help Anders forgive? Make room for Justice. Calm him. Help him get rid of anger.

[Miri1984]

True. Hawke can help him out with the Lyrium once she's champion of Kirkwall, though. But I see a lot of parallels with the Connor situation - Connor wasn't completely possessed as yet - he still managed to retain his personality unless the demon wanted to assume direct control over something in the real world. And Vengeance only manifests every now and then - so where is it the rest of the time? Logical conclusion would have to be the fade, although I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

[Lucy Glitter]

 I'll just leave this here



Yes. I do like to rub it in.

[Eiliestl]

Now I don't know who to play as first,In DAO my main warden was the human one . And then the mage. Now I wanna see  if Anders and Justice remembers my sister/brother warden from DAAS . Great way to tie the story together if anything. And I will be making Anders my LI

Modifié par Eiliestl, 09 février 2011 - 11:35 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

Gennojo Ryuga wrote...

Sounds to me that the foundation was already being laid in Awakening and we didn't realize it.

Anders did have a deep rooted hatred for the chantry and what it stands for.  His dialogue is laced with chantry and circle bitterness if you listen to it closely.

Justice started feeling negative emotions like envy and anger.  It could have been possible that the perception of what justice is can be skewed and twisted from it's original pure sense of the virtue.

I think the corruption took place because after Justice witness all these negative emotions and memories deeply rooted in Anders.  It angers him, so much that it twisted his perception of what justice is. 

How many times have you seen vengeance motivated people say this line "it's not about revenge it's about justice!"

Good point. Everyone has their own biases and strong emotional connections, I imagine it could have happened with anyone alive who Justice inhabited, anyone capable of feeling could have set him off. I don't think he was prepared for how strong live emotion is since all he's felt is remnants from a corpse.

And that line sounds like something Garrus would have said in ME2. I just hope we don't have a 'Sidonis' mission for Anders, because my  anti-Chantry mage Hawke would have a harder time talking him down from it than my straight-laced Shep did with Garrus.

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I sense a very, very heartbreaking
end for Anders. It could be a decision between 'Save Anders' and 'Save
Chantry', or 'Save Anders' vs 'Save Circle'.... or 'Save Anders Soul by
killing him' vs 'Save Anders, Not Kill him, Wallah Abomination!'

As long as there's a 'save' option, I'm taking it. Sorry Circle, sorry Chantry, sorry Justice. You guys mean nothing to me compared to a snarky mage. <3

PS: Lucy_Glitter, that was win.

[Janele]

As long as there's a 'save' option, I'm taking it. Sorry Circle, sorry Chantry, sorry Justice. You guys mean nothing to me compared to a snarky mage. <3

This.  I adore Anders.

[JoltDealer]

I'm not sure what to make of this. Anders was a fun character, but I'm not sure how I feel about Justice being warped into Vengeance. I always thought the benevolent spirits were a bit harder to corrupt. I guess I was wrong.

[standardpack]

So why did Anders leave the Wardens? According to my epilogue he comes back to the wardens 2 months after he left. Isn't this not the only situation where the epilogue doesn't match up with the situation in DA2? There was another or 2 but I can't think of them at the moment. What is the story with that?

[ThatDancingTurian]

Aveline was just denied as an LI in an article. That means of Fenris, Varric and Anders (almost typed 'Angers'.. would be appropriate, no?), likely only two will be LIs. ::hopes for Anders:: >_>

[jtav]

I've never even played Awakenings, but I find myself full of squee. I love dark, tortured heroes who are passionately devoted to a cause and Anders sounds like catnip.

[Thestral]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Aveline was just denied as an LI in an article.

O: Link?

Edit: Found it. ~

Modifié par Thestral, 10 février 2011 - 12:39 .

[standardpack]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Aveline was just denied as an LI in an article. That means of Fenris, Varric and Anders (almost typed 'Angers'.. would be appropriate, no?), likely only two will be LIs. ::hopes for Anders:: >_>

Well there was only 4 for origins as well, 2 male 2 female.  and one in each was bi

[ThatDancingTurian]

standardpack wrote...

So why did Anders leave the Wardens? According to my epilogue he comes back to the wardens 2 months after he left. Isn't this not the only situation where the epilogue doesn't match up with the situation in DA2? There was another or 2 but I can't think of them at the moment. What is the story with that?

That seems to be everyone's question at the moment. I assume they'll try to address as many varied endings as they can, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some retconning going on to make Anders work.

jtav wrote...

I've never even played Awakenings, but I find myself full of squee. I love dark, tortured heroes who are passionately devoted to a cause and Anders sounds like catnip.

To be honest, I was a little disappointed with this new direction at first, since I really like Anders as the carefree, cowardly jokester, but when you put it like that, I can see the appeal. <3

@standardpack: I know there were two of each, I think just because the companions have been especially attractive this time around (plus the fact that ME2 had six) that people were hoping for more.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 10 février 2011 - 12:49 .

[sassperella]

I don't see Anders being a love interest unfortunately. His whole situation would make it a little odd as you'd be romancing two distinct personalities wrapped up in one. So while I think he plays a huge role in the story I don't think they would choose someone in his situation as a LI.

[jtav]

Could somebody point to the new kid to some Anders 101 info. As I said, I didn't play Awakenings and feel a bit stupid.

[jamirflyd2]

I can’t believe what happened to Anders and Justice those were my buddy’s lol! I know I’m so late lol but I am so glad Anders and Justice/ Vengeance are back! I’m wondering though if we’ll have to make Vengeance Justice lol or let him take over Anders for a Flemeth like companion ohhhhhhh!!!! LOL

[ThatDancingTurian]

sassperella wrote...

I don't see Anders being a love interest unfortunately. His whole situation would make it a little odd as you'd be romancing two distinct personalities wrapped up in one. So while I think he plays a huge role in the story I don't think they would choose someone in his situation as a LI.

But considering his status as a fan favorite and how many people lamented not being able to romance him, it seems kind of cruel to bring him back, make him even more handsome and still not make him an LI. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

I think we really have to understand how the implimentation of this possession will work regarding his personality and how much control he has before we discount him. Or maybe I'm just in denial.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 10 février 2011 - 12:57 .

[Eiliestl]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Aveline was just denied as an LI in an article. That means of Fenris, Varric and Anders (almost typed 'Angers'.. would be appropriate, no?), likely only two will be LIs. ::hopes for Anders:: >_>

Varric as a LI?  They  would't do us girls like that would they ???Mass Effect 2 all over again

[Legbiter]

Wait, in my Awakenings epilogue he's a Grey Warden. What's he doing in Kirkwall?



Still, two good characters for the price of one, I like it.

[ThatDancingTurian]

jtav wrote...

Could somebody point to the new kid to some Anders 101 info. As I said, I didn't play Awakenings and feel a bit stupid.

I haven't played it either, but I've gotten the gist of his personality and story from the wiki and youtube.

His wiki page
Meeting Anders (YouTube)
Some Anders Party Banter (YouTube)

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 10 février 2011 - 01:03 .

[berelinde]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Aveline was just denied as an LI in an article. That means of Fenris, Varric and Anders (almost typed 'Angers'.. would be appropriate, no?), likely only two will be LIs. ::hopes for Anders:: >_>

Actually, the news that Aveline is not a LI has increased my anxiety that Anders won't be, either. Like Aveline, he has a lot going on in his life. I could easily imagine his response to flirting as "Oh, so you want a cuddle, do you? And here I am, inhabited by this being of seething fury. No, that won't end badly, not at all."

On the other hand, Anders was never much good at restraint. He might decide to risk it after all. Or perhaps the romance can only be completed once he has evicted his rowdy houseguest.