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[Rinji the Bearded]

Okay... did I just see Gambit on an Anders discussion thread?

Now I want him even more.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 10 février 2011 - 02:44 .

[moilami]

Pseudocognition wrote...

moilami wrote...
Not your job to judge it really. Go watch the eternal flame and pray. The nearest chantry is over that way ->

Not your job either. DA: the land of grey and grey morality. I don't think we'll ever see a situation that is 100% objectively "good" or "bad."

Killing innocent is evil no matter how much you want to believe it is "grey area".

Modifié par moilami, 10 février 2011 - 02:45 .

[Calla S]

Miri1984 wrote...
@Calla I wouldn't be surprised if there's a quest to return Justice to himself. And Anders agreed to become his host, he didn't "screw Justice over". Neither of them could have known what would happen.

Of course not. As I said, it wasn't intentional. I realize this. It doesn't change the fact that it was Anders' rage that warped Justice into a demon, something that was one of his greatest fears in Awakening.

[moilami]

Calla S wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...
@Calla I wouldn't be surprised if there's a quest to return Justice to himself. And Anders agreed to become his host, he didn't "screw Justice over". Neither of them could have known what would happen.

Of course not. As I said, it wasn't intentional. I realize this. It doesn't change the fact that it was Anders' rage that warped Justice into a demon, something that was one of his greatest fears in Awakening.

I would understand if templars would want to slay possessed mages. However I would still protect those who are my friends, were they possessed or not.

I took you as a templar and just joked. Nice you did not take it seriously.

Modifié par moilami, 10 février 2011 - 02:52 .

[Threeparts]

If Anders' hatred was enough to change Justice so dramatically, I'm wondering if there's more to his story in the Circle than he ever told our Wardens about. He's awfully flippant about it - even about his year in solitary isolation - and while it was obvious he didn't like the templars, I never would have guessed that his hatred burned so bright.

Was he just good at acting relatively care-free while secretly harbouring that strength of feeling? Was his mistreatment (or mistreatment he witnessed) by the Chantry more cruel than he ever let on to us? I'm not fond of having to 'fix' companions, but it seems a possible direction if the hate of this apparently mellow personality was strong enough to corrupt Justice.

[Calla S]

moilami wrote...
I took you as a templar and just joked. Nice you did not take it seriously.

I was ignoring you.

[GoldenEagle]

well err regardless I hope he is still romanceable for female P.C. and you'll get no judgemenmt from me Iwas just having alittle fun with the picture they showed of Anders eyes and I stillsay theres just something inteaguing about them I dated a guy in school who had one Blue eye and one Black eye puiple and yes it intreaed me very muchand I have to say he was very sexy

[moilami]

Calla S wrote...

moilami wrote...
I took you as a templar and just joked. Nice you did not take it seriously.

I was ignoring you.

Lol say what?


Edit: Bodyguards, release the macaberis!

Modifié par moilami, 10 février 2011 - 02:56 .

[Uhh.. Jonah]

What if



Going down Anders friendship path brings out the real Anders



And going down his rivalry path brings out more Justice



O_o. That would be really cool with a romance also.

[Miri1984]

I'm actually playing through the Blackmarsh bits of Awakening now (OMG the POIGNANCY) and it's actually really interesting listening to Justice's dialogue. There's a LOT of indications that he's not actually just after Justice. When he talks to Aura in the Chantry it's all about vengeance. He tells Anders "Strike a blow against your oppressors". I think Justice is a little bit confused over which is which too be honest. It's not surprising he gets warped.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Threeparts wrote...

Sure.  Possession is a spirit in another's body, regardless of the intent. And in Anders' case, it's like you invited over a dear friend to stay in your house for a week while she looks for a new place, and then it turns out that she's moving in long-term, and so are her three teenage kids, two dogs and the parrot that spends all day imitating the squeaky washing machine, and now you've got dirty socks all over the living room floor, the spare room smells like teenage boy and her ex comes around every Saturday at 3am drunkenly declaring his love for her.
A little more than you bargained for, and now you're stuck.

IMO it's more like they're the two friends who think they get along well and make the move to become roommates and then realize they hate each other, but they both signed a lease. Anders is a slob and Justice is the one leaving passive-aggressive notes on the fridge and being all OCD about how the dishes are supposed to be put up.

Anders: They're in the cabinet, what more do you want?
Justice: I have a system! It's there for a reason!!

[Miri1984]

@ Aris ILU so much right now

[moilami]

Miri1984 wrote...

I'm actually playing through the Blackmarsh bits of Awakening now (OMG the POIGNANCY) and it's actually really interesting listening to Justice's dialogue. There's a LOT of indications that he's not actually just after Justice. When he talks to Aura in the Chantry it's all about vengeance. He tells Anders "Strike a blow against your oppressors". I think Justice is a little bit confused over which is which too be honest. It's not surprising he gets warped.

It can be there is unintentionally left room for players to speculate what Justice was in real. At least he can be seen easily as either Justice or Desire Demon.

You however seem to forget that one way to get justice is to draw the sword. You know, those in power are reluctant to give it away willingly. So either you draw the sword and fight for justice or wait someone else does it on your behalf.

[JasonPogo]

Dear Anders,



I hate you.



Yours

JasonPogo

[ThatDancingTurian]

Threeparts wrote...

If Anders' hatred was enough to change Justice so dramatically, I'm wondering if there's more to his story in the Circle than he ever told our Wardens about. He's awfully flippant about it - even about his year in solitary isolation - and while it was obvious he didn't like the templars, I never would have guessed that his hatred burned so bright.
Was he just good at acting relatively care-free while secretly harbouring that strength of feeling? Was his mistreatment (or mistreatment he witnessed) by the Chantry more cruel than he ever let on to us? I'm not fond of having to 'fix' companions, but it seems a possible direction if the hate of this apparently mellow personality was strong enough to corrupt Justice.

It's possible there's more to the story than a little solitary confinement. No doubt we'll hear more of it once we finally get to play. (Move faster, time!)

Personally, I'm curious to find out who this friend was that was made tranquil. I reeeeeally hope if Anders IS an LI, that this wouldn't be a girlfriend that he later compares Hawke to. The line "you remind me of her" is my biggest BioWare pet peeve ever.

@Miri1984: I aim to please.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 10 février 2011 - 03:13 .

[moilami]

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

What if

Going down Anders friendship path brings out the real Anders

And going down his rivalry path brings out more Justice

O_o. That would be really cool with a romance also.

Hmm, in my opinion "love" should win vengeance. So, say, a female romancing succesfully Anders could persue him to call it.

[Ceridwen]

Threeparts wrote...

If Anders' hatred was enough to change Justice so dramatically, I'm wondering if there's more to his story in the Circle than he ever told our Wardens about. He's awfully flippant about it - even about his year in solitary isolation - and while it was obvious he didn't like the templars, I never would have guessed that his hatred burned so bright.
Was he just good at acting relatively care-free while secretly harbouring that strength of feeling? Was his mistreatment (or mistreatment he witnessed) by the Chantry more cruel than he ever let on to us? I'm not fond of having to 'fix' companions, but it seems a possible direction if the hate of this apparently mellow personality was strong enough to corrupt Justice.

I think we caught hints of his anger towards the Chantry through snippets of his dialogue. His pondering of the Statue of Andraste in Vigil's Keep, speaking about his escape attempts... maybe being flippant about it was a sort of defense mechanism for him.

[Miri1984]

When you first meet him if you choose the dialogue "That's inhuman!" regarding the dead Templars and his flippant attitude towards them he gives quite a bitter reply. I can definitely believe that he's using humour to cover how much he hates them. I also think he's probably a little bit giddy with relief at the reprieve your warden gives him (if you accept him into the wardens, that is).

[LupusYondergirl]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
Personally, I'm curious to find out who this friend was that was made tranquil. I reeeeeally hope if Anders IS an LI, that this wouldn't be a girlfriend that he later compares Hawke to. The line "you remind me of her" is my biggest BioWare pet peeve ever.

The original lore had tranquils being branded on the forehead with lyrium.  Makes me think the man standing behind him in the screenshot where his eyes are glowing is the friend.

[Lleyta Black]

I had a thought while I was discussing LI's with the Fengirls.

Do you guys remember that little girl (whose name escapes me) in Jade Empire that had those demons within her. Well what if you had a similiar moment with Anders like when you get to chose what demon gets to permanently possess her? What if for a personal quest you get to go in the Fade and decide which version of Justice gets to live?



Just a thought

[moilami]

Miri1984 wrote...

When you first meet him if you choose the dialogue "That's inhuman!" regarding the dead Templars and his flippant attitude towards them he gives quite a bitter reply. I can definitely believe that he's using humour to cover how much he hates them. I also think he's probably a little bit giddy with relief at the reprieve your warden gives him (if you accept him into the wardens, that is).

Hmm, I don't understand. Why would him need to hide he hates templars and chantry? Tell me one reason.

[moilami]

Lleyta Black wrote...

I had a thought while I was discussing LI's with the Fengirls.
Do you guys remember that little girl (whose name escapes me) in Jade Empire that had those demons within her. Well what if you had a similiar moment with Anders like when you get to chose what demon gets to permanently possess her? What if for a personal quest you get to go in the Fade and decide which version of Justice gets to live?

Just a thought

No way.

Anders is not your puppet. He makes the decisions. Not you.

Modifié par moilami, 10 février 2011 - 03:42 .

[Threeparts]

moilami wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

When you first meet him if you choose the dialogue "That's inhuman!" regarding the dead Templars and his flippant attitude towards them he gives quite a bitter reply. I can definitely believe that he's using humour to cover how much he hates them. I also think he's probably a little bit giddy with relief at the reprieve your warden gives him (if you accept him into the wardens, that is).

Hmm, I don't understand. Why would him need to hide he hates templars and chantry? Tell me one reason.

It may just be how he is. Some people use humour as a way of dealing with negative events or emotions, as opposed to brooding or acting depressed. It's not a 'need' as such, just one way of coping.

Modifié par Threeparts, 10 février 2011 - 03:46 .

[Miri1984]

@Moilami Not out of need. He doesn't exactly hide it. But he certainly doesn't want to go into details about it either. He says on several occasions "Never mind me, I'm just glad to be out" - especially if you press him "You really don't like the Chantry do you?" "Not too fond of them?" and all you get are vague answers, never specifics.



He does tell you he was in solitary for a year, but he doesn't tell you much else. His dialogues with Nate are COMPLETE shutdowns - Nate asks him how did the Templars find him and he deflects all the questions with humour.



My suspicion is that they've done a lot of nasty things to him and he'd much rather forget about it than talk about it with the warden.

[GoldenEagle]

now that would be sweet just as long as he can keep those eyes I'm all for it