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[tankgirly]

namedforthemoon wrote...

I didn't mean the info about Jowan, I mean the mage that Anders tried to help escape. Where did that bit of info come from? I should have quoted the part I was originally asking about, I didn't expect there to be that many replies in between my post and the post I was referring to. Which I can't find, now.

Anders tried to save his friend from the Templar, and later learned that he had been made tranquil.

[nightcobra]

hhh89 wrote...

mandamcmoo wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Why do you thing that the mage behind him in that pic is his friend? We have no proof about it. To be honest, it has the same robes that the First Enchanter has.

The circle marking on that guy's forehead looks like it could be a lyrium brand. Which is, as I understand, how mages are made tranquil.

I saw that now. It could be that he has this sign because it has been made tranquil now (the others tranquil we met don't have this sign), but I'm not completely sure. He has the same robes of the First Enchanter. But as now it could be a possibility, or even very likely as you said.

he could have been the previous first enchanter of kirkwall before orsino took over.

maybe anders was in that circle for a while and the first enchanter helped him escape.

[namedforthemoon]

[quote]tankgirly wrote...

Right. Folks, I suddenly had this thought: Who was the mage Anders was trying to save and discovered he had been made tranquil? Could that be Jowan?[/quote]


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This is the info I was asking about. Where was this at?

[tankgirly]

[quote]namedforthemoon wrote...


[quote]tankgirly wrote...

Right. Folks, I suddenly had this thought: Who was the mage Anders was trying to save and discovered he had been made tranquil? Could that be Jowan?[/quote]


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This is the info I was asking about. Where was this at?[/quote]

Here

[nightcobra]

namedforthemoon wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Right. Folks, I suddenly had this thought: Who was the mage Anders was trying to save and discovered he had been made tranquil? Could that be Jowan?

This is the info I was asking about. Where was this at?

from here http://greywardens.c...2-anders-again/

"Anders has left the Wardens and is working healing refugees in Kirkwall. As he meets Hawke, they head off to rescue a friend of Anders from the Templars. Upon arriving, they discover the friend has been made Tranquil and Anders goes off with blazing eyes and booming voice – he’s now inhabited by a Spirit of Justice."

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 10 février 2011 - 10:53 .

[tankgirly]

Isnt' that funny? How did he abandoned the Grey Warden. I was under the impression you can't once you went through the joining.

Modifié par tankgirly, 10 février 2011 - 10:55 .

[nightcobra]

tankgirly wrote...


Isnt' that funny? How did he abandoned the Grey Warden. I was under the impression you can't once you went through the joining.

he can leave the organization for personal reasons, but at a personal and biological level he'll always be a grey warden.

like alistair, who can leave the grey wardens to become king. doesn't mean he isn't a grey warden.

[tankgirly]

@nightcobra8928, that's what I thought.

Humph...

[nightcobra]

i like my theory that anders's friend could be the previous first enchanter of kirkwall himself.

could add another layer to anders if he had a sort of father figure who was at the head of one of the circles while anders himself despises the chantry supervision and circle rules.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 10 février 2011 - 10:59 .

[Eshaye]

tankgirly wrote...

Isnt' that funny? How did he abandoned the Grey Warden. I was under the impression you can't once you went through the joining.

Many Grey Wardens 'leave' to live their lives apart from the order after a blight or a major event. That doesn't ever mean they are not grey wardens anymore. Once you go through the joining you are forever changed, but you are not forced to stay with the order at all times. Throughout Awakening there's many indications some wardens try to keep their lives old and new sort of the same with limited success since wardens die young, like the two wardens that are married for instance. 

[tankgirly]

@Eshaye, I see. Thank you.

[Estelindis]

I'm glad Anders is joining us for DA2, as I loved him in Awakening.  But I'm sad about Justice.  What an awful thing to happen to him!  He seemed so pure and noble that it's depressing to think of him being corrupted - by Anders, of all people.  Seems like they'll both be making the other miserable, in spite of each being very good in his own way.

[Jiggasaurus]

This is great : )



Anders plus Justice is such a contrast, nobody saw that coming. One problem in the game being set years later will Mr.Wiggums make an appearance or will it be Wiggums jnr?

[nijnij]

This reminded me of the last page in this thread :

http://social.biowar...73581/8#5803864



Guess some people were really close on that one .

[Dune01]

Did we get a official confirmation that anders is LI?

[Horus Blackheart]

I don't usaly coment on threads like this, however I'm not sure what to make of the way Anders is being handled. Frankly when I concidered what Awakening Npcs I'd want to see in DA2 This and nathanal howe was considered the worst case senareo for me. I'm not saying that this is bad , more like stale The whole simbotic/ possession idea has been done twice already.

I'd much rather have seen Sigrun's story expanded on for example. I will reserve judgemrnt untill i play the game, I just hope my gut reaction of "eww no" is wrong.

[Threeparts]

No confirmation or denial of Anders as a LI yet, Dune01.
If it helps, Horus, there's a good chance that you'd be able to kill or ignore Anders instead of recruiting him if you decide that you don't want him hanging around. As an abomination, I'm guessing there's a chance you could turn him into the templars or simply kill him straight out of hand, although I don't know what Bethany would think of that. 
Pure speculation on my part, but I reckon it would be strange if you weren't given that option.

[sevalaricgirl]

Why is everyone calling Justice a demon. In Christianity, Jesus is the ultimate good (ie Justice) but he goes on a rampage in the temple square, destroying everything. He's still intrinsically good despite the vengeance that came out. Now to me a spirit doesn't have to be always good. Anders/Justice can do ultimate good or ultimate bad so hopefully that is the struggle within and the character's personality is not changed. As an author, I see the potential. As a fan, I hope it doesn't turn out to be a change I'm not going to like. Also for Justice who was the ultimate good, he killed in Awakening which means that he did have the potential to have vengeance for a good cause. Vengeance for a good cause isn't so bad. Vengeance for no reason is really bad.

Also, unless Anders/Justice does something horrible, I don't consider them an abomination.  Of course our interpretations of what is an abomination are going to be different.  My warden believed that anyone who maintains their own personality despite being possessed isn't an abomination (convo with Wynne).

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 10 février 2011 - 01:00 .

[Herr Uhl]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Why is everyone calling Justice a demon. In Christianity, Jesus is the ultimate good (ie Justice) but he goes on a rampage in the temple square, destroying everything. He's still intrinsically good despite the vengeance that came out. Now to me a spirit doesn't have to be always good. Anders/Justice can do ultimate good or ultimate bad so hopefully that is the struggle within and the character's personality is not changed. As an author, I see the potential. As a fan, I hope it doesn't turn out to be a change I'm not going to like. Also for Justice who was the ultimate good, he killed in Awakening which means that he did have the potential to have vengeance for a good cause. Vengeance for a good cause isn't so bad. Vengeance for no reason is really bad.

Because the definition of demon in Thedasis different from the one in christianity?

And because the blurb calls him "the demon within".

[sassperella]

Dune01 wrote...

Did we get a official confirmation that anders is LI?

nope nothing, though it seems the men only have two choices, merril and isabella, so it'll probably be the same for fem hawke for a straight romance. There's three to choose from so one may not be a LI at all. They didn't have a romancable dwarf in the first game so it's something they may do in this one and Fenris is the obvious choice for the bi male.... so it's not looking good for Anders. Plus Anders is actually two characters which may also rule him out as a LI

[sevalaricgirl]

That's what I'm saying. We ALL have demons within.

[ThatDancingTurian]

ankuu wrote...

Well if his friend became a Tranquil, he must have been a maleficar or one that escaped a lot, like Anders. But Anders never talked about such a friend...

Which proves the point of everyone who said you can't know everything about Anders simply from what we saw in Awakening.

I didn't even notice the refugee twins. I was too busy looking at Anders. >_>

[sevalaricgirl]

sassperella wrote...

Dune01 wrote...

Did we get a official confirmation that anders is LI?

nope nothing, though it seems the men only have two choices, merril and isabella, so it'll probably be the same for fem hawke for a straight romance. There's three to choose from so one may not be a LI at all. They didn't have a romancable dwarf in the first game so it's something they may do in this one and Fenris is the obvious choice for the bi male.... so it's not looking good for Anders. Plus Anders is actually two characters which may also rule him out as a LI

I don't think they're going to make Varrick a love interest for a human female.  They gave human male a human love interest, I doubt they'd be so callous as to not give a human female a human love interest.  I for one think Anders is a love interest for the fact that he's the only human non family member male in your party if you don't get the Sebastian DLC.

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 10 février 2011 - 01:06 .

[Threeparts]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Why is everyone calling Justice a demon. In Christianity, Jesus is the ultimate good (ie Justice) but he goes on a rampage in the temple square, destroying everything. He's still intrinsically good despite the vengeance that came out. Now to me a spirit doesn't have to be always good. Anders/Justice can do ultimate good or ultimate bad so hopefully that is the struggle within and the character's personality is not changed. As an author, I see the potential. As a fan, I hope it doesn't turn out to be a change I'm not going to like. Also for Justice who was the ultimate good, he killed in Awakening which means that he did have the potential to have vengeance for a good cause. Vengeance for a good cause isn't so bad. Vengeance for no reason is really bad.

I'm... really not going to get into a debate on whether Jesus was good or bad, but the simple answer is that, for me, it comes down to what the creators of the character and game have stated. He has been described as "corrupted" and "demonic", thus he's probably not going to have the sense of self-control that would differentiate Justice and Vengeance. Less 'an eye for an eye' and more, 'you took my eye so I'm going to burn down your house with your children sleeping inside'. 
The key point is that when someone is bent on Vengeance, they're not so open to reason. It's a passionate emotion, where Justice is more rational and logical.

Modifié par Threeparts, 10 février 2011 - 01:10 .

[Herr Uhl]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

That's what I'm saying. We ALL have demons within.

"Urged by his friend Justice to fight the Circle of Magi more actively, Anders agreed to become Justice's human host… only to find that his anger at the Circle warped Justice into the demonic spirit of Vengeance. Now Anders must struggle mentally and physically to maintain his control over the demon within... at least long enough to see the Circle of Magi overturned forever."

The main thing that separates demons from spirits is interest in experiencing the real world. If he actually tries to seize control, I'd class him as a demonic entity. And the way it is worded, it is heavily implied that he will try.