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hhh89 wrote...

I think that the yellow spells are the specific Ander's spec. So it seems is a spirit healer, thoug the sustained yellow one isn't present in the Spirit Healer tree.


Yes, perhaps it's a mix of SH spells and abilities granted by Justice/Vengeance.

#902
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Threeparts wrote...

Russalka wrote...

A thread says that Gameinformer says that Anders stole a map from the Grey Wardens and for that is a mandatory companion.

EDIT ... because Hawke has to go to the Deep Roads.


Oh, my Warden-Commander is going to give him such a spanking.


LOL!!! Hopefully the Warden can write Hawke a letter instructing her to give Anders an appropriate punishment. ;)

Hawke: So Anders, I got this letter today from your old friend, the Warden Commander
Anders: Oh crap.
Hawke: She's pretty mad about you stealing her map.
Anders: Damnit, I knew I shouldn't have done that...
Hawke: She says you need a good hard spanking, and I'm to give it to you.
Anders:  :huh:...:mellow:... :o...:wub:... Commander, I owe you one!

I imagine my Wardens would do something cheeky like that.  :whistle:

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SurelyForth wrote...

Then his personal spec might just be a modified Spirit Healer line. I wonder if Merrill's will be a modified Blood Mage line or a blend of Blood Mage/Keeper.


Probably. I remember that Bioware said that companion specs will resemble in some way Hawke's spec, with some difference: so Anders is a SH with probably something different (probably for Vengeance's presence), Merrill mixes blood magic with ancient elven magic, Isabela has a personal duelist spec. In my opinion Aveline will have something similar to Templar. Don't have a clue about Fenris and Varric.

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Filament wrote...

Hopefully there's some way to turn Justice back to the light.

this is my hope as well.

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SurelyForth wrote...
Then his personal spec might just be a modified Spirit Healer line. I wonder if Merrill's will be a modified Blood Mage line or a blend of Blood Mage/Keeper.

Yes, this make sense: his spirit healer spells have the same color the scales icon has, so I guess they are from one tree.
So, they did the same thing that was done in Mass Effect 2? Specs of your companions are sort of unigue?

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So Anders now contains the Spirit of Vengeance?

Would Anders' last name happen to be Blaze by any chance?

Somebody get this guy a flaming, skeleton-motif motorcycle and Make Mine Marvel!  Image IPB

Modifié par Slithermorph, 10 février 2011 - 10:18 .


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bzombo wrote...

Filament wrote...

Hopefully there's some way to turn Justice back to the light.

this is my hope as well.


Same here, I like my abominations happy and healthy! It would be so lovely if Justice could continue with Anders, but without Justice being Vengeance and Anders struggling to control it.

#908
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I'm hoping that's one of the choices we have to make: purify Justice and expel him back to the Fade, as we can't guarantee it won't happen again; leave him corrupted inside Anders; or go into the Fade and kill him for his own good.



Even if he could be fixed and still share Ander's body, that's not really fair to the mage and I'd be wary of giving him a second chance in case it happens again.

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RinjiRenee wrote...

8( Oh like they'd tell us right now whether he's an LI or not. No, they prefer a slow stew...

But it'd be nice to know at least one more LI that isn't Isabela.  No hate intended.


Yes, hate intended, lol.  I already hate Isabela.

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Threeparts wrote...

I'm hoping that's one of the choices we have to make: purify Justice and expel him back to the Fade, as we can't guarantee it won't happen again; leave him corrupted inside Anders; or go into the Fade and kill him for his own good.

Even if he could be fixed and still share Ander's body, that's not really fair to the mage and I'd be wary of giving him a second chance in case it happens again.


True enough, I imagine if Justice remained with Anders after getting turned back, the same thing could probably happen again, seeing as the whole mage issue isn't likely to be resolved in this one game, and Anders will have plenty to become emotional about. In which case I'd want to turn him back into Justice and release him into the Fade. But, is Anders dead and sustained by Justice, or just body-sharing? If he's dead (in the same way as Wynne) then wouldn't he die too without a spirit to keep him alive?

It makes me wonder why nothing like this ever happened with Wynne and her spirit. Although she doesn't seem to have any particularly extreme negative emotions about anything, she did seem to have various regrets that got to her quite deeply (like the Aneirin one, her nightmare in the Fade, and general feelings about the post-revolt Circle, not to mention if you let Irving die). Wouldn't her spirit get corrupted by regret?

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I... I had absolutely no idea. I just watched this a few days ago and say him in the credits.



ROFL. HOLY CRAP.

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Lucy_Glitter wrote...

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I... I had absolutely no idea. I just watched this a few days ago and say him in the credits.

ROFL. HOLY CRAP.


... ahahaha YES.

Also: The man can sing.  

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 10 février 2011 - 10:58 .


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ReallyRue wrote...
 But, is Anders dead and sustained by Justice, or just body-sharing? If he's dead (in the same way as Wynne) then wouldn't he die too without a spirit to keep him alive?

It makes me wonder why nothing like this ever happened with Wynne and her spirit. Although she doesn't seem to have any particularly extreme negative emotions about anything, she did seem to have various regrets that got to her quite deeply (like the Aneirin one, her nightmare in the Fade, and general feelings about the post-revolt Circle, not to mention if you let Irving die). Wouldn't her spirit get corrupted by regret?


I don't believe Anders is dead. Wynne wasn't actually dead either, she was brought back from the brink of death and the energy of the spirit was what was keeping her from slipping over the edge. I don't know how long Kristoff's body had been dead before Justice possessed it, but his conversations with Nathaniel made it clear that the body would continue to decay. Since Anders looks remarkably healthy in the images we've seen, I think it's safe to say that he made it through Awakening in one piece and invited Justice in to save the spirit, rather than the spirit saving him.

Why Wynne's spirit wasn't also corrupted is a mystery to me as well, but it could be because regret is a relatively mild emotion. Guilt would have been something else, but I don't think regret is as dark an emotion as Anders' hatred. It could also be that the spirit had been near Wynne long enough to adjust to her temperament, or that it was a much stronger spirit than Justice is/was.

As Wynne is strong in faith and her beliefs, the spirit and her might have been more compatible. Anders was never that interested in the concept of justice or fairness in Awakening beyond how it applied to him, and the clash of conflicting ideals may have excerbated Justice's corruption.

Modifié par Threeparts, 10 février 2011 - 10:58 .


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Had to be done:



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OH SNAP.



That's bloody brilliant.

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@Miri1984

Totally just realized who you were when I read your signature lol.  My username on ff.net is x.Janele.x!  How would your Neria react if this happened to her Anders? lol :D

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#918
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Looking forward to the story line! I really liked Anders in Awakenings and this has definitely sparked my impatience for the game to be released.

Modifié par Mallika, 10 février 2011 - 11:05 .


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@Janele Actually, in one of my fanfics, NERIA is inhabited by the Spirit of Justice. GO FIGURE :)

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nightcobra8928 wrote...

 [video]


It might just be the resolution, but I think he looks younger. And his voice is slightly different, perhaps to reflect Justice's increased presence.

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nightcobra8928 wrote...

 Video


Gah!  I think I need to stop looking at this thread because it's not helping my impatience.

Anyways, also on the subject of why Justice was.. changed... and not Wynne's spirit.  For one thing, I think the change wasn't entirely Anders.  Justice was already starting to change but he needed something else, such as the extreme emotion Anders felt at that moment, to determine WHAT he would change into.  Also, Wynne said that her spirit had always been with her so I agree that the spirit was more accostumed to her and able to handle her feelings.

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OMG THANK YOU FOR THAT! (meaning the video)

Modifié par Miri1984, 10 février 2011 - 11:15 .


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The video... I'm going to end up watching it on loop, aren't I? ):

#924
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MorningBird wrote...

The video... I'm going to end up watching it on loop, aren't I? ):


I know I haven't been able to.

#925
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*whistles* I haven't been doing just that for the past five minutes. No not at all....