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[Ravenmyste]

okay i knew about this 2 days before you announced it and i am wondering how much anger did Anders have that corrupted justice to become the spirit of vengeance and how is that its consider demonic now since justice/and vengeance can be considered the same thing just one way means going after and doing while the other way is the same but not doing the execution without peers and judging them...



i.e vengeance= killing without peers and you already judged them thru there deeds..

i.e justice= thru peers and a judge= there fate

[BrianRB]

Very interesting development.

Okay, there are about 50 pages of comments on this thread; of the several I've read, I don't see the following issue adressed.

In Awakenings, both Anders and Justice were members of my permanent party, and as such I built them up quite a ways with specific skills and abilities.

Obviously, this merging takes place post-Awakenings. So that raises the question that's come up in other threads regarding, for example, Morrigan. Are my previous decisions going to be reflected in this "new" character? Will he have any of the skills, abilities, and attitudes that reflect what happened in Awakenings?

Or will he actually be a completely new character only sharing the appearance and name of "Anders" from the earlier campaign?

Also, what about the "Anders" character ending from Awakenings? Is that going to be ignored?

I apologize if someone's asked this before; if so, I haven't seen it.

Modifié par BrianRB, 12 février 2011 - 05:31 .

[jhnxsmth]

Just checking, but those of you who have played with Anders before, did he come through as manly at all?



I don't have DAO anymore, so I can't check.

[Purple People Eater]

Anders was a good hearted dude with a sarcastic sense of humor. It wasnt sarcasm in a grating way though. I thought it made him more endearing.

[Rinji the Bearded]

BrianRB wrote...

Very interesting development.

Okay, there are over 50 pages of comments on this thread; of the several I've read, I don't see the following issue adressed.

In Awakenings, both Anders and Justice were members of my permanent party, and as such I built them up quite a ways with specific skills and abilities.

Obviously, this merging takes place post-Awakenings. So that raises the question that's come up in other threads regarding, for example, Morrigan. Are my previous decisions going to be reflected in this "new" character? Will he have any of the skills, abilities, and attitudes that reflect what happened in Awakenings?

Or will he actually be a completely new character only sharing the appearance and name of "Anders" from the earlier campaign?

Also, what about the "Anders" character ending from Awakenings? Is that going to be ignored?

I apologize if someone's asked this before; if so, I haven't seen it.

We're not so sure about the decisions made that any bearing on Anders are going to influence his story -- I think I read somewhere that they will to some degree?  I think this was from that magazine preview... at any rate, I really don't think any abilities you might have given him in Awakening will carry over at all.

As for the endings for Awakenings, Gaider commented on another forum that the epilogue slides are not treated as sacrosanct as many might believe... in other words, if they're not done with a certain character, they'll bring them back in any way they see fit.   For example -- you can kill Oghren in DAO, but he comes right back in DA:A.

[Rinji the Bearded]

jhnxsmth wrote...

Just checking, but those of you who have played with Anders before, did he come through as manly at all?

I don't have DAO anymore, so I can't check.

He did to some degree.  He wasn't exactly leaking testosterone, but he was quite suave and confident.  Loved the ladies and was not afraid to mention it.  Does that really answer the question though?  LOL.

[jhnxsmth]

YES! Thankyou. Sound like Atton ::eye roll::

[leggywillow]

jhnxsmth wrote...

YES! Thankyou. Sound like Atton ::eye roll::

Is that a bad thing?  Atton was awesome.

[BrianRB]

RinjiRenee wrote...

BrianRB wrote...

Very interesting development.

Okay, there are over 50 pages of comments on this thread; of the several I've read, I don't see the following issue adressed.

In Awakenings, both Anders and Justice were members of my permanent party, and as such I built them up quite a ways with specific skills and abilities.

Obviously, this merging takes place post-Awakenings. So that raises the question that's come up in other threads regarding, for example, Morrigan. Are my previous decisions going to be reflected in this "new" character? Will he have any of the skills, abilities, and attitudes that reflect what happened in Awakenings?

Or will he actually be a completely new character only sharing the appearance and name of "Anders" from the earlier campaign?

Also, what about the "Anders" character ending from Awakenings? Is that going to be ignored?

I apologize if someone's asked this before; if so, I haven't seen it.

We're not so sure about the decisions made that any bearing on Anders are going to influence his story -- I think I read somewhere that they will to some degree?  I think this was from that magazine preview... at any rate, I really don't think any abilities you might have given him in Awakening will carry over at all.

As for the endings for Awakenings, Gaider commented on another forum that the epilogue slides are not treated as sacrosanct as many might believe... in other words, if they're not done with a certain character, they'll bring them back in any way they see fit.   For example -- you can kill Oghren in DAO, but he comes right back in DA:A.

Thanks, Rinji.

That's really a bit of cognitive dissonance, IMO. Because "Anders" isn't really going to be the Anders we've already played. I don't really know why they're doing this, when essentially they're creating a whole new character purportedly from the two previous characters. But they're really NOT, if the new characters don't reflect the development we experienced with them. Why recycle the name? Because, essentially, that's all they're doing.

If there are elements of moral conflict they want to introduce, they can certainly do that in a new character without resorting to the device of trying to recycle the old characters, especially in a way in which they'll be virtual strangers without the history we've experienced with them.

Seems pretty pointless to me, other than maybe being an ineffective (to me) marketing tool.

[Rinji the Bearded]

BrianRB wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

BrianRB wrote...

Very interesting development.

Okay, there are over 50 pages of comments on this thread; of the several I've read, I don't see the following issue adressed.

In Awakenings, both Anders and Justice were members of my permanent party, and as such I built them up quite a ways with specific skills and abilities.

Obviously, this merging takes place post-Awakenings. So that raises the question that's come up in other threads regarding, for example, Morrigan. Are my previous decisions going to be reflected in this "new" character? Will he have any of the skills, abilities, and attitudes that reflect what happened in Awakenings?

Or will he actually be a completely new character only sharing the appearance and name of "Anders" from the earlier campaign?

Also, what about the "Anders" character ending from Awakenings? Is that going to be ignored?

I apologize if someone's asked this before; if so, I haven't seen it.

We're not so sure about the decisions made that any bearing on Anders are going to influence his story -- I think I read somewhere that they will to some degree?  I think this was from that magazine preview... at any rate, I really don't think any abilities you might have given him in Awakening will carry over at all.

As for the endings for Awakenings, Gaider commented on another forum that the epilogue slides are not treated as sacrosanct as many might believe... in other words, if they're not done with a certain character, they'll bring them back in any way they see fit.   For example -- you can kill Oghren in DAO, but he comes right back in DA:A.

Thanks, Rinji.

That's really a bit of cognitive dissonance, IMO. Because "Anders" isn't really going to be the Anders we've already played. I don't really know why they're doing this, when essentially they're creating a whole new character purportedly from the two previous characters. But they're really NOT, if the new characters don't reflect the development we experienced with them. Why recycle the name? Because, essentially, that's all they're doing.

If there are elements of moral conflict they want to introduce, they can certainly do that in a new character without resorting to the device of trying to recycle the old characters, especially in a way in which they'll be virtual strangers without the history we've experienced with them.

Seems pretty pointless to me, other than maybe being an ineffective (to me) marketing tool.

Well, Jennifer Helper, his writer, has assured us that he will remain the snarky Anders on most subjects... except the ones that seem to be troubling him nowadays.  And he was troubled about these things before, just to a lesser degree.  Other than that I can offer no sort of comfort.  

[ThatDancingTurian]

Just posted this Anders fanart on my DevArt. Here is the link.



<3

[Rinji the Bearded]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Just posted this Anders fanart on my DevArt. Here is the link.



<3

Beautiful.  I really like the colors and the emotion.  ... Anders, we will heal you with our bosoms.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 12 février 2011 - 05:49 .

[Janele]

If they had his talents imported from Awakening, you might change your mind and decide you don't want him to heal anymore, and focus more on primal or something instead. They also changed up a lot of the talents, earlier today in the Live Chat they mentioned a new "force mage" one. He's the same character, with the same personality (to an extent), and hopefully the storyline will follow that close enough.

[Koffeegirl]

I'm replaying awakening and thinking about it, I don't think it is entirely Anders' fault that Justice becomes corrupted. Justice talks a lot about envying the love that Kristoff and his wife had. He also approves of you side with the war statue in the Wending Wood quest. I'm wondering if he just spent too much time in the mortal world and slowly became "corrupted" combined with seeing how unjustly the mages were being treated and it just set him over the edge.

[jhnxsmth]

leggywillow wrote...

jhnxsmth wrote...
YES! Thankyou. Sound like Atton ::eye roll::

Is that a bad thing?  Atton was awesome.

I didn't like Atton that much.  He was just meh to me.  On the other hand, I didn't mean to say it like that in my post.  I was just commenting on the absolutely shocking concept that a character in a bioware game might be a rehash.
But that was probably going to far even in joke.  I've never played Anders so I can't really compared him to Atton.

[ThatDancingTurian]

RinjiRenee wrote...

jhnxsmth wrote...

Just checking, but those of you who have played with Anders before, did he come through as manly at all?

I don't have DAO anymore, so I can't check.

He did to some degree.  He wasn't exactly leaking testosterone, but he was quite suave and confident.  Loved the ladies and was not afraid to mention it.  Does that really answer the question though?  LOL.

This. I'd definitely call him manly for this very reason.

jhnxsmth, Atton wasn't a BioWare character. They're not rehashing, they never wrote Atton. That said, I loved Atton, so any similarities with him makes me like Anders even more.

[Miri1984]

Can I spruke the Anders 300 thread prompts? We went with a prompt of "Justice" but tried to keep it in the DA:O:A universe, without going into heavy speculation about what was going to happen in DA2 since we don't know yet. They're here if people are interested

[BrianRB]

Janele wrote...

If they had his talents imported from Awakening, you might change your mind and decide you don't want him to heal anymore, and focus more on primal or something instead. They also changed up a lot of the talents, earlier today in the Live Chat they mentioned a new "force mage" one. He's the same character, with the same personality (to an extent), and hopefully the storyline will follow that close enough.

That's true, but that's also one of the aspects of character development you accept for good OR bad if you move a character forward.

Also, consider this: DA2 starts before the events of DAO and Awakenings, which means that by the time we meet Anders v2 we're going to be fairly advanced characters... as will be Anders v2. At the end of Awakenings, my Anders v1 was at Level 33, as was my Justice v1.

That means that Anders v2 has to be at least Level 33. Is he going to be a blank slate, all of whose skills, spells and abilities I can assign? Or will he come with a batch of them -- or worse, ALL of them -- already assigned? Just exactly how is that going to work?

[Miri1984]

At BrianRB It's game mechanics and it will be ignored. They really don't have to worry about that sort of stuff in a sequel. Skills in RPG mechanics are all about the gameplay - really, if they were writing a story (like the books) the characters don't magically get better after every battle, they get better over time from training and so forth. In the STORY when you meet Anders he is capable of EVERY SPECIALTY you will get as the game progresses.

[_000Darkstar]

BrianRB wrote...

Janele wrote...

If they had his talents imported from Awakening, you might change your mind and decide you don't want him to heal anymore, and focus more on primal or something instead. They also changed up a lot of the talents, earlier today in the Live Chat they mentioned a new "force mage" one. He's the same character, with the same personality (to an extent), and hopefully the storyline will follow that close enough.

That's true, but that's also one of the aspects of character development you accept for good OR bad if you move a character forward.

Also, consider this: DA2 starts before the events of DAO and Awakenings, which means that by the time we meet Anders v2 we're going to be fairly advanced characters... as will be Anders v2. At the end of Awakenings, my Anders v1 was at Level 33, as was my Justice v1.

That means that Anders v2 has to be at least Level 33. Is he going to be a blank slate, all of whose skills, spells and abilities I can assign? Or will he come with a batch of them -- or worse, ALL of them -- already assigned? Just exactly how is that going to work?

He's one of the first party members we get. We're not going to be THAT advanced in terms of leveling. Not to mention that the max level in DA2 is only 20 possibly 25. Anders will also most likely have a unique specialization. Expect him to be a blank slate.

[Threeparts]

Yep, game mechanics generally have zilch to do with the actual story. He'll start at a similar level to us with the talents he needs for that part of the game, even if - in story terms - he's quite experienced.

Meanwhile, can... can you guys hear that? Those piercing shrieks? They... seem to be coming from a fan thread further down the page. Huh.





-secretly in awe at the sleuthing of the Fen fen-

Modifié par Threeparts, 12 février 2011 - 07:08 .

[Miri1984]

Mmm. VERY interesting development. Makes me more keen to romance Fenris. BUT ONLY AFTER I'M DONE WITH ANDERS. And that could take a long, long time

[ThatDancingTurian]

If Anders is an LI, I'm going to be too busy romancing Anders, then replaying and rival-romancing Anders to think about Fenris.



That makes Merrill the only one we haven't heard now, right? Have we heard Bethany?

[CruserBoii]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

 Have we heard Bethany?

Very briefly. I forgot in which video, though. It's in the escape scene and she says something like "There's too many of them" or something along those lines. Her voice is kind of dull compared to everyone else's, imo.

Modifié par CruserBoii, 12 février 2011 - 08:28 .

[Miri1984]

Heavy speculation ahead



They've been very, very cagey about releasing plot spoilers, for which I am in awe, but it seems to me that the main plot indeed revolves around some sort of Mage/Chantry conflict. The fact that Cassandra is interrogating Varric. The pics of Orsino and the... other one. The fact that no matter what, one of your family is an apostate mage.... Merrill. Anders. Aveline. Fenris. All of these guys have some tie in with the Chantry and/or mages.



In Origins, the plot revolved around The Blight, and The Grey Wardens, and The Ferelden Monarchy. And the main man (apart from your warden) was unquestionably Alistair, who was heavily involved in ALL THREE of those plot points.



Sooooo, I'm thinking Anders, being an apostate mage hell bent on destroying the Chantry, may well be our plot central male.



...Just sayin'.