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[RestARose13]

I have to say that, for Fenris, I never imagined his voice being anywhere near that. It's an awesome voice and all, but definitely never imagined it that way.



And I'm actually really, really tired of hearing about Isabella. I'm sure she's a cool character and everything but... so much overexposure :/



One of my friends is playing Awakening for the first time and I pushed her to recruit Justice first. She's already completely in love with Anders.

[Janele]

Amagoi wrote...

I think Miri means the video up that has Fenris talking, I only just now found it on the DA Wiki. I'm like 99% sure that's Baltheir's (FFXII) voice. It's almost the exact same.

I'm a failure, lol, I can't find it anywhere.

[dreamextractor]

Miri1984 wrote...

Oh, people would argue that Alistair wasn't plot central, but there was a reason you couldn't get rid of him or kill him. As with Morrigan. Obviously Varric is plot central because he's telling the story, but it will be interesting to see if there is another character (or two) who have similar roles to play.

But you could get rid of Morrigan. You're allowed to tell her to leave at the camp

[RestARose13]

Janele wrote...

Amagoi wrote...

I think Miri means the video up that has Fenris talking, I only just now found it on the DA Wiki. I'm like 99% sure that's Baltheir's (FFXII) voice. It's almost the exact same.

I'm a failure, lol, I can't find it anywhere.

Here you go.

[moilami]

ReallyRue wrote...

moilami wrote...

Galagraphia wrote...

moilami wrote...
Lol well. I think you have to make Anders get rid of Justice then somehow.

My Hawke will learn to live with both of them. I like Justice, don't want him to go. I was sad because in the end of Awakening he leaves anyway. I could've never guessed he would inhabit Anders. Anders loved his freedom so much... I'm curious to know how Justice convinced Anders to let him in. I'm sure it wasn't easy.

An excellent story and picture you have made. You should publish them here too.

I have no idea how Justice has been able to convince Anders. Or the only way I could think is that Justice manages to talk Anders to become active on chantry problem and then Anders choses to dedicate himself for the effort with the help of Justice.


Edit: I am myself suspicious of Justice and see him being manipulative on Anders in Awakening. I still see him more as a desire demon than spirit of justice lol.

Edit: Though not saying it would be bad. Anders was lacking some right spirit at least in Awakening

I noticed in that most of the Anders-focused banters with Justice, the spirit keeps telling Anders that he should fight to free other mages from their oppressors. In the last conversation (I think), Justice tells him that it's not right to abandon the other mages, and Anders says something like that's how the world works. He sounds quite depressed about it though. I wonder if Anders was too reluctant to try anything on his own, and after a great deal of nagging from Justice, and then an offer of help, Anders might have finally decided to do something.

Well yeah, and real spirit of justice would say things what he said to Anders to anyone. Also real spirit of justice should talk to dwarves about castes and to humans about city elves. Or just  talk to people about those things.

Maybe the spirit of justice did not know other major injustices happening, or maybe he talked of the worst injustice only, or maybe he was determined to posses specifically Anders.

In real he could had tried to posses anyone, if he thought it is justified to posses Anders.

Been thinking by the way. Anders and Justice can chat in Fade when Anders is sleeping. I am not going to tell what a mage who lets desire demon to inhabit him could do with desire demon in fade in exchange. I just say that the nature of desire demons should be researched more xD


Edit: Possessing Anders could be justified by Anders wanting to fight against chantry but lacking the spirit to do it

Modifié par moilami, 12 février 2011 - 06:40 .

[ReallyRue]

moilami wrote...

Well yeah, and real spirit of justice would say things what he said to Anders to anyone. Also real spirit of justice should talk to dwarves about castes and to humans about city elves. Or just  talk to people about those things.

Maybe the spirit of justice did not know other major injustices happening, or maybe he talked of the worst injustice only, or maybe he was determined to posses specifically Anders.

In real he could had tried to posses anyone, if he thought it is justified to posses Anders.

Been thinking by the way. Anders and Justice can chat in Fade when Anders is sleeping. I am not going to tell what a mage who lets desire demon to inhabit him could do with desire demon in fade in exchange. I just say that the nature of desire demons should be researched more xD


Edit: Possessing Anders could be justified by Anders wanting to fight against chantry but lacking the spirit to do it

Yeah, I think so too.
I forgot that Justice would be able to approach Anders in the Fade. And spirits are able to create/manipulate mortals' dreams, aren't they? I wonder if Justice would've used that to his advantage, heh.

Maybe he took more of an interest in Anders and the oppression of mages because of their link to the Fade? He could always have tried to possess Velanna to help the Dalish, but somehow I don't see that working, lol. I can't help but wonder why he wouldn't possess the Warden. The Warden (assuming it's the Hero of Ferelden) has politcal clout as well as impressive ability, and would be in a better position to fight oppression. Hmm.

I also wonder if Justice would have been able to possess a dwarf (in relation to the casteless thing). They're not connected to the Fade in the same way as humans and elves, and I can't remember noting any dwarven abominations.

[RestARose13]

ReallyRue wrote...

moilami wrote...

Well yeah, and real spirit of justice would say things what he said to Anders to anyone. Also real spirit of justice should talk to dwarves about castes and to humans about city elves. Or just  talk to people about those things.

Maybe the spirit of justice did not know other major injustices happening, or maybe he talked of the worst injustice only, or maybe he was determined to posses specifically Anders.

In real he could had tried to posses anyone, if he thought it is justified to posses Anders.

Been thinking by the way. Anders and Justice can chat in Fade when Anders is sleeping. I am not going to tell what a mage who lets desire demon to inhabit him could do with desire demon in fade in exchange. I just say that the nature of desire demons should be researched more xD


Edit: Possessing Anders could be justified by Anders wanting to fight against chantry but lacking the spirit to do it

Yeah, I think so too.
I forgot that Justice would be able to approach Anders in the Fade. And spirits are able to create/manipulate mortals' dreams, aren't they? I wonder if Justice would've used that to his advantage, heh.

Maybe he took more of an interest in Anders and the oppression of mages because of their link to the Fade? He could always have tried to possess Velanna to help the Dalish, but somehow I don't see that working, lol. I can't help but wonder why he wouldn't possess the Warden. The Warden (assuming it's the Hero of Ferelden) has politcal clout as well as impressive ability, and would be in a better position to fight oppression. Hmm.

I also wonder if Justice would have been able to possess a dwarf (in relation to the casteless thing). They're not connected to the Fade in the same way as humans and elves, and I can't remember noting any dwarven abominations.

Except I'm pretty sure that spirits and demons can only possess beings that are either dead or mages.  So, unless the Warden is a mage that wouldn't work out too well.
As to why not Velanna and help the Dalish... well... Velanna's negative emotions were very visible.  Also, she was already doing stuff to... well... "help" the Dalish (whether they wanted her version of help or not) so he probably wouldn't see her plight as immediate as Anders who has the ability? to help the mages just not the... ahem... spirit.

[Nyaore]

Hihane wrote...
Except I'm pretty sure that spirits and demons can only possess beings that are either dead or mages.  So, unless the Warden is a mage that wouldn't work out too well.
As to why not Velanna and help the Dalish... well... Velanna's negative emotions were very visible.  Also, she was already doing stuff to... well... "help" the Dalish (whether they wanted her version of help or not) so he probably wouldn't see her plight as immediate as Anders who has the ability? to help the mages just not the... ahem... spirit.

As far as I remember, anyone can be possessed by a demon. Mages are just the easiest way into the mortal world, and one of the strongest vessels one can use. Anders even mentions that the tower mouser, Mr. Wiggums the cat, turned into a demon during the Broken Circle events and killed several templars.

Modifié par Nyaore, 12 février 2011 - 07:16 .

[Threeparts]

Wasn't Justice unhappy if you chose to spare Velanna instead of executing her for his crimes? I don't think she ever really presented a good case as to why anyone should defend her people, especially with the way she chose to go about it. A spirit of Vengeance might have been all over that, but Justice?

[RestARose13]

Nyaore wrote...

Hihane wrote...
Except I'm pretty sure that spirits and demons can only possess beings that are either dead or mages.  So, unless the Warden is a mage that wouldn't work out too well.
As to why not Velanna and help the Dalish... well... Velanna's negative emotions were very visible.  Also, she was already doing stuff to... well... "help" the Dalish (whether they wanted her version of help or not) so he probably wouldn't see her plight as immediate as Anders who has the ability? to help the mages just not the... ahem... spirit.

As far as I remember, anyone can be possessed by a demon. Mages are just the easiest way into the mortal world, and one of the strongest vessels one can use. Anders even mentions that the tower mouser, Mr. Wiggums the cat, turned into a demon during the Broken Circle events and killed several templars.
Edit: Oh, and there's also Sophie Dryden from the Warden's Keep DLC. She certainly wasn't a mage but that didn't stop her from becoming possessed.

I had always thought she had already been dead by the time the spirit possessed her :/ .  Oh well

[Nyaore]

Hihane wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Hihane wrote...
Except I'm pretty sure that spirits and demons can only possess beings that are either dead or mages.  So, unless the Warden is a mage that wouldn't work out too well.
As to why not Velanna and help the Dalish... well... Velanna's negative emotions were very visible.  Also, she was already doing stuff to... well... "help" the Dalish (whether they wanted her version of help or not) so he probably wouldn't see her plight as immediate as Anders who has the ability? to help the mages just not the... ahem... spirit.

As far as I remember, anyone can be possessed by a demon. Mages are just the easiest way into the mortal world, and one of the strongest vessels one can use. Anders even mentions that the tower mouser, Mr. Wiggums the cat, turned into a demon during the Broken Circle events and killed several templars.
Edit: Oh, and there's also Sophie Dryden from the Warden's Keep DLC. She certainly wasn't a mage but that didn't stop her from becoming possessed.

I had always thought she had already been dead by the time the spirit possessed her :/ .  Oh well

I don't think it's ever stated, but yeah after further thought I realized she wasn't the best example since whether she died or not before being possessed is left up in the air. Hence why I tried to delete it from my post before anyone saw it, but to no avail.. xD

[Galagraphia]

Possessed dwarves were mentioned in "The Calling", so it's possible, btw.



Maybe Justice saw something in Anders' dreams that made him so eager to help? "OMG, this is so UNJUST! Anders, join with me and we will kick their asses!" I think Anders could have had painful memories about something related to the Chantry, and those memories could have came out as a dream. Justice saw it, whatever it was, and accidently caught Anders in the moment when he was vulnerable because he was distracted by his emotions. So, none of then could've guessed it would lead to such situation as the one described in the article.

[ReallyRue]

I was joking about Justice possessing Velanna. It'd be a self-implosion waiting to happen.

As for the whole possessing mages thing, Mattias' daughter can get possessed by 'Kitty' in the Stone Prisoner DLC. And as someone else said, Sophia Dryden. I think she must have been still living when she got possessed because the taint still continued to affect her body. And although not technically possessed, there's that templar in the Broken Circle who thinks a desire demon is his wife.

[Janele]

Galagraphia wrote...

Possessed dwarves were mentioned in "The Calling", so it's possible, btw.

Maybe Justice saw something in Anders' dreams that made him so eager to help? "OMG, this is so UNJUST! Anders, join with me and we will kick their asses!" I think Anders could have had painful memories about something related to the Chantry, and those memories could have came out as a dream. Justice saw it, whatever it was, and accidently caught Anders in the moment when he was vulnerable because he was distracted by his emotions. So, none of then could've guessed it would lead to such situation as the one described in the article.

This seems the most likely to me.  Anders would know the danger of being possessed by a demon, and Justice would think he was doing the work of, well, justice.  The vengence outcome would have been completely unexpected.

Also, thanks for the link to the Fenris video.  He sounds absolutely nothing like I would have expected!

[Miri1984]

dreamextractor wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

Oh, people would argue that Alistair wasn't plot central, but there was a reason you couldn't get rid of him or kill him. As with Morrigan. Obviously Varric is plot central because he's telling the story, but it will be interesting to see if there is another character (or two) who have similar roles to play.

But you could get rid of Morrigan. You're allowed to tell her to leave at the camp

Couldn't kill her though. Not until Witch Hunt.

[moilami]

Threeparts wrote...

Wasn't Justice unhappy if you chose to spare Velanna instead of executing her for his crimes? I don't think she ever really presented a good case as to why anyone should defend her people, especially with the way she chose to go about it. A spirit of Vengeance might have been all over that, but Justice?

Just recruited Velanna and Justice disaproved. I am not sure should Justice rejudge her. My rogue approved Velanna however.


Edit: Was a good mission, I thought about panicking scavengers running around yelling "where is the withchhh argh omg".

Modifié par moilami, 12 février 2011 - 09:01 .

[LupusYondergirl]

I've always suspected the girl in the Stone Prisoner DLC was perhaps a very young mage, who had not yet been revealed as such. Magic is said to be hereditary, and her grandfather was one, after all.



Also, I wrote a short one-shot fic for the DA:O Anders thread's 300th page. Sort of an attempt to bridge the time between DAO:A and DA2, so I figured I'd share it. It's here on ffnet (as well as on the DAO Anders thread, of course).

[Hellsen]

Found this http://www.ign.com/v...ders-says-hello

looks playing tug o war with justice did change him a bit

Modifié par Hellsen, 12 février 2011 - 09:05 .

[Janele]

Hellsen wrote...

Found this http://www.ign.com/v...ders-says-hello

looks playing tug o war with justice did change him a bit

Haha, go several pages back and you'll see everyone obsessing over this one   I swear I didn't watch it over 15 times.

[Tora Panthera]

I'd do anything to free Anders from his fate. He was my favourite character of ALL in the first Dragon Age. I was so happy to find out he was back, but when I found out about his current problem, I felt so sad about it. I really hope we get to bring him back to his former self... and do things to him that are only allowed in tents... *smirks*

[leggywillow]

Malira wrote...

I'd do anything to free Anders from his fate. He was my favourite character of ALL in the first Dragon Age. I was so happy to find out he was back, but when I found out about his current problem, I felt so sad about it. I really hope we get to bring him back to his former self... and do things to him that are only allowed in tents... *smirks*

Except probably no tents this time around... proper beds, maybe!

Hawke:  Anders, we HAVE TO GO CAMPING.
Anders: What, why?

[Tora Panthera]

leggywillow wrote...


Except probably no tents this time around... proper beds, maybe!

Hawke:  Anders, we HAVE TO GO CAMPING.
Anders: What, why?

Well, one shouldn't break tradition. 

[GuldiienDAO]

Any word on Ser-Pounce-a-Lot? I'm being lazy and don't want to dig through 50 pages.

[Rinji the Bearded]

No word on the cat.



But I just had an idea for a drawing...!

[Threeparts]

I found it hilarious to play my Wardens as total exhibitionists, since every time they went to bed with a companion, there was no tent in the cutscenes at all. Imagining everyone's faces while my hairy male dwarf got it on with Zevran in full view just amused me no end.



Proper houses for everyone in DA2 have me excited, especially if they're decorated to an individual's tastes. I suppose it's too much to hope for an Oblivion-like system of upgrading them. Oh well.