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[Threeparts]

SgtElias wrote...

I think I've really been on the forums too often. Before Anders was announced I just assumed that if the rumors were true and he was a companion, that he'd just obviously be a romance.
Then about ten minutes ago I was minding my own business and playing Awakening (last run-through before all seven of my characters are ready to go for Dragon Age 2!) and this random, horrifying realization lit through my mind like witch-fire:
WHAT IF ANDERS ISN'T A LOVE INTEREST?
I swear to gods, I am so neurotic. I never worried about this before, and all of a sudden, in the last ten minutes, my mind has decided it's a big deal, and OMGOMGOMGOMGWHATWILLIDO!???!!11!
Sigh. And though I know that by coming back here for comfort I'm just feeding my neurosis, I can't seem to help myself.
I love thee, Anders thread. Sanity be damned.
Edited to say: Sorry, this was posted in the middle of what everyone else was talking about, so I apologize for disrupting the flow of conversation.

Reiterating an earlier post, but...

Even if I'm relegated to the friend zone with Anders, I can cope. I managed in Awakening, after all. He's still brimming with personality and style, and if he's even remotely like his DA:O self, I'll be happy with BFF status. Cracking jokes, killing Templars, cooing over kitties, encouraging the hilarity of Isabela's flirting only for her to get shot down by Justice... I'll have fun either way, you know?

Modifié par Threeparts, 13 février 2011 - 06:51 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Anywhoo, Anders. I have to say that prior to his reveal (and Justice's) I was sort of meh towards the game. But he single-handedly increased my interest (from 5 to 6 I guess. Maybe 7). Not only cause I liked him in Awakening (don't kill me, but I thought he pulled off the funny one liner guy much better than Alistair), but also because I was fascinated with Justice and specifically the banter between him and Anders (vis a vis demons and spirits).

So I think this is an awesome and very interesting concept. And I wonder whether the transformation from spirit to demon can be reversed or not. Or will it require Anders to eliminate vengeance / justice completely? I hope it's not something easy like saving both of them and everything will be fine. There should be a certain element of tragedy for Justice, who in Awakening started to realize how inadequate his world view is in the material world, only to end up "corrupted" by it and possibly ending up being destroyed.

Now that I am typing it, I am not sure if it's Anders that I am looking forward to perse, or Justice. Hmmm. Why isn't there a Justice / Vengeance appreciation thread?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 13 février 2011 - 06:50 .

[panamakira]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

panamakira wrote...

Well I remember in Awakenings, in the beginning when you want to make him a GW, the Templars freak out because of all the times he has rebeled against them. My guess is Anders was always under scrutiny and decided to just call it quits with the GW and take Justice with him and do something about the chantry.

Maybe he's upset that the Templars never considered him as part of the GW but an apostate that needed to be dealt with but was out of their reach because of the Warden's protection but once he left, well.....

Okay, crack theory time: Anders had to quit the Grey Wardens because he joined with Justice, and in return Justice, whether intentionally or as a consequence of the bonding, removed the taint inside of him. When the Wardens found out, Anders was forced to leave because he wasn't technically one of them anymore.

I may simply be trying to come up with a theory that makes it so Anders doesn't have to die at 50 in the Deep Roads... >_> 

I will take that crack theory if it means Anders doesn't have to die at 50. It was bad enough dealing with my warden Queen and Alistair and no babies, short life....

[SgtElias]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

SgtElias wrote...

WHAT IF ANDERS ISN'T A LOVE INTEREST?
 

Then I suppose the answer is found in your first signature image - is it not?

Yes, I had come to this conclusion already; it actually sort of marked the start of my neurotic paranoia. However, spending an entire game roleplaying a character mooning over someone they can't have is depressing. I just finished my Dalish Elf Awakenings run, and I remembered why playing her was such a drag: she's the queen of depressing, constantly moping about because Tamlen is dead.

Don't get me wrong, the game will still be fun. Just also a tad sad at times.

[Threeparts]

Braag wrote...

So will we be able to import our Awakening save file? or only from Origins?
And since Anders will be in DA2 it would make sense to bump into Nathaniel as well since he mentioned that he was in kirkwall.

We can import saves from Origins, Awakening, Golems or Witch Hunt: where-ever we got up to with our Warden. I'm not sure if there were any decisions in the last three that will affect DA2, given that the preset conditions don't mention Morrigan or the Architect.

[Miri1984]

@Aris I think the leaving the wardens thing may well have occurred after Justice joined with him. It's possible he has gone with their blessing. It's possible he has not (this may depend on your save import). He always ends up on good terms with my wardens. It's even possible he leaves the wardens in search of the "friend" we keep hearing about, intending to return, but was instead sidetracked by the whole Chantry/Justice thing.

The map is the key. Why did he need to steal it? Because it definitely says he stole it. What is he searching for? Evidence that mages are not what everyone thinks? Something that will bring down the Chantry? It's a map of the deep roads. Maybe it's something to do with the original magisters - the ones who were meant to have brought about the blights?

ETA: @KOP there was a Justice thread. It's probably on the third or fourth page by now.

Modifié par Miri1984, 13 février 2011 - 06:53 .

[HolyJellyfish]

I dinno guys.... I may be going off on a limb but.... well...

Anders is incredibly attractive

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Well loved and received

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Is a MAGE on the frikkin RUN from EVERYONE

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Grey Warden, totes gonna die in a set amount of time.

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Whut!? He's POSSESSED!? By another character we LIKE!?

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His looks certainly haven't faded

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What is with handsome men and their inability to shave.....?

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OMG he totally healz the sick

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Greg ELLIS

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Wait whut? He may have an extremely tragic ending possibly? He could even DIE or become an ABOMINATION or make your life MISERABLE with Regret and sadness and a huge pint of Post Death Ben & Jerry blues?

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Love Interest.

[cmessaz]

But he can still be with the Wardens...just maybe not in Ferelden. They all have a home base/area or whatever, maybe he IS still a Grey Warden. *shrugs* The endslide isn't specific about WHERE he is a warden I guess. It's just kinda implied, unless I remember it wrong. Which would be sad I just completed Awakening today.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Miri1984 wrote...
ETA: @KOP there was a Justice thread. It's probably on the third or fourth page by now.

Let me guess, cause he is not squee worthy 

[ThatDancingTurian]

@SgtElias: You've just now had this thought for the first time? Wow, I must be more of a pessimist than I thought.

I'm actually trying to operate on the assumption that he's got at best a 50/50 shot at LI status, I refuse to consider him any sort of sure thing, that's just opening the door for more disappointment. If he is an LI, well, I'll be ecstatic. If he's not, of course I'll be disappointed. It's something I really want in the game. If it's not, of course I'll still take the snarky mage with me everywhere.

That said, my backup plan isn't looking good; pray for Sebastian and/or learn to love Fenris/Varric.

@KnightofPhoenix: I think someone started a Justice thread when this news first came out, but they also put in the first post 'So we can have a place to complain about Anders', so it didn't really seem genuine. Honestly if there's a way to save Anders I'll pick him over Justice. But since I usually play goodie-goodies, if there's an option to save both, I'll take it. Though since Jennifer Hepler is writing for Anders and she seems to be one of BW's 'grittier' writers, I'm imagining there's no perfect sunshine and rainbows end to this story.

[Threeparts]

Miri1984 wrote...

The map is the key. Why did he need to steal it? Because it definitely says he stole it. What is he searching for? Evidence that mages are not what everyone thinks? Something that will bring down the Chantry? It's a map of the deep roads. Maybe it's something to do with the original magisters - the ones who were meant to have brought about the blights?

Ooh, I like this theory! Perhaps even something to do with a source of lyrium that they're using to control the Templars? If you interfere with the source of the drug that the Chantry uses to control their own private army, you could do a lot of damage. And remember the video with all that glowing red growth in the Deep Roads? Could it be some form of corrupted lyrium?

[Miri1984]

@KOP Not at all. But I think a lot of the discussion overlapped with what's been talked about here - it seemed a bit of an effort to try to separate the two.



It's not all squee here. Not yet any way. And to be fair, it's not all squee in the Alistair thread, or the Fenris thread either.

[panamakira]

That is true. I don't think it was confirmed anywhere that he "left" the Grey Wardens officially. Even if he did leave, I would imagine he had a big reason. I mean I don't think he would abandon his duties and the warden like that, unless I am judging his character wrong.

[Miri1984]

@Panamakira He does leave the wardens in Awakenings, if you don't get his approval high enough or finish his personal quest.

[cmessaz]

panamakira wrote...

That is true. I don't think it was confirmed anywhere that he "left" the Grey Wardens officially. Even if he did leave, I would imagine he had a big reason. I mean I don't think he would abandon his duties and the warden like that, unless I am judging his character wrong.

My Amell is gonna be PISSED at him regardless. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
@KnightofPhoenix: I think someone started a Justice thread when this news first came out, but they also put in the first post 'So we can have a place to complain about Anders', so it didn't really seem genuine. Honestly if there's a way to save Anders I'll pick him over Justice. But since I usually play goodie-goodies, if there's an option to save both, I'll take it. Though since Jennifer Hepler is writing for Anders and she seems to be one of BW's 'grittier' writers, I'm imagining there's no perfect sunshine and rainbows end to this story.

Good.

Hmm I wonder if there is an option to allow Vengeance to errr...assume direct control of Anders and well essentially make him like Uldred / Baroness.

[HolyJellyfish]

At this point, with how CRAZY and UNSTABLE both Fenris and Anders are, I am two steps away from turning around and joining the Varric camp, the one guy who isn't capable of putting his FIST through someone's CHEST CAVITY or become possessed by a spirit from the other realm.



.... Who am I kidding. I'll boink 'em all.

[leggywillow]

I hope they go into some depth about both how and why Anders and Justice ended up the way they did for the benefit of Awakening players who know both characters.  Maybe new players would be satisfied with "Oh okay, he invited the spirit in so they could do good deeds or whatever", but that's not enough!  I want to know HOW for one thing... did Anders just say "Hop on in, buddy!", was there blood magic involved, or what?

[KnightofPhoenix]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

At this point, with how CRAZY and UNSTABLE both Fenris and Anders are, I am two steps away from turning around and joining the Varric camp, the one guy who isn't capable of putting his FIST through someone's CHEST CAVITY or become possessed by a spirit from the other realm.

He doesn't need to, he's got a freakin automated crossbow.

[Miri1984]

@KOP we were chatting about that earlier. Considering Justice says in one of his dialogues in Awakenings he finds that idea pretty abhorrent, it would be a gritty/dark ending for BOTH of them, and therefore give me a massive sad. But hey, it's bioware.



I suspect we'll be given some sort of heart wrenching choice that will undoubtably make me cry, because, well, they do that!

[Jean]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

panamakira wrote...

Well I remember in Awakenings, in the beginning when you want to make him a GW, the Templars freak out because of all the times he has rebeled against them. My guess is Anders was always under scrutiny and decided to just call it quits with the GW and take Justice with him and do something about the chantry.

Maybe he's upset that the Templars never considered him as part of the GW but an apostate that needed to be dealt with but was out of their reach because of the Warden's protection but once he left, well.....

Okay, crack theory time: Anders had to quit the Grey Wardens because he joined with Justice, and in return Justice, whether intentionally or as a consequence of the bonding, removed the taint inside of him. When the Wardens found out, Anders was forced to leave because he wasn't technically one of them anymore.

I may simply be trying to come up with a theory that makes it so Anders doesn't have to die at 50 in the Deep Roads... >_> 

Does anyone even know how old Anders is anyways?

[panamakira]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Panamakira He does leave the wardens in Awakenings, if you don't get his approval high enough or finish his personal quest.

Yeah I guess but I thought David mentioned they weren't going to treat whatever the little epilogue slides said in stone. I don't know but I still feel bad for him. Being a mage it's not easy, let alone an apostate or a Grey Warden. And being possed by a corrupted spirit? yeeeahh....:blink:That has to make some changes in someone!

[SgtElias]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I dinno guys.... I may be going off on a limb but.... well...

*snip-a-doodle*
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Love Interest.

I know, and that's why I'd really never thought about it before about fifteen minutes ago. Then the paranoia kicked in.

It'll pass. I think I actually posted to have everyone assure me with their infallible logic that he's more likely a love interest than not.

Yeeeah, I know, I'm pathetic.

Modifié par SgtElias, 13 février 2011 - 07:03 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Miri1984 wrote...

@KOP we were chatting about that earlier. Considering Justice says in one of his dialogues in Awakenings he finds that idea pretty abhorrent, it would be a gritty/dark ending for BOTH of them, and therefore give me a massive sad. But hey, it's bioware.

That's when he was the naive Justice, of course he'll find it abhorrent then. But as vengeance, he could like it.
Of course that depends on whether you believe that the "real" Justice is prior "corruption" and that vengeance is nothing but a twisted version of his former self.

I think that vengeance is more than that. We see in Awakening that Justice was evolving. That he wanted what demons wanted, even if he would deny it or abhor how they go about to get it (at the time). Indeed, his transformation into vengeance is because he abhorrs percieved injustice, something that is innate to him.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 13 février 2011 - 07:06 .

[panamakira]

cmessaz wrote...

panamakira wrote...

That is true. I don't think it was confirmed anywhere that he "left" the Grey Wardens officially. Even if he did leave, I would imagine he had a big reason. I mean I don't think he would abandon his duties and the warden like that, unless I am judging his character wrong.

My Amell is gonna be PISSED at him regardless. 

hehe~ I know right? My Amell would be too. I mean after all she's also a mage but I can see how it can be difficult for him having being considered an apostate before a GW~