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[Rinji the Bearded]

I think Justice/Vengeance is going below Pride but above Desire, actually. Vengeance can sometimes be an issue involving pride, thinking that your opinion is the correct one and all those that wronged you deserve to suffer/die/what have you. But I think also it's a bit above the carnal feelings of desire, sloth, hunger, and rage. Vengeance comes out of feeling wronged or that others were wronged.  It might have had good intentions at first... but then slipped way out of control.

/ramble

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 février 2011 - 06:59 .

[Ninjacat513]

I do hope that Anders is a LI and that we can somehow free him from Vengeance.

[panamakira]

Ninjacat513 wrote...

I do hope that Anders is a LI and that we can somehow free him from Vengeance.

I do too! That would really suck for me if he doesn't end up being a LI. He's like my first choice! and I really don't see why he can't be though...

[Ninjacat513]

Yeah, he seems more likely than Varric (I'm not a Varric hater! *Hides*) because Varric is the storyteller/narrator



I'm saving my rogue Hawkette for him, and my mage for Fenris :3

[Jenova65]

Archereon wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

catabuca wrote...

XD
I really can't wait to meet Anders for the first time now.

I loved Anders in Awakenings and he looks a bit more edgy in DA II 

I'm personally hoping we have to choose between Anders and Vengance.  Either destroy Vengance in the fade, or break Anders will and allow Vengance to control Anders full time.

That would be a tricky choice. One the one hand.... Anders... and on the other hand Anders with those magical blue eyes....
What to do, what to do?

[Rinji the Bearded]

Oh, everyone on the Varric thread will tell you that Anders is unlikely because of demon possession and that we have no ground to stand upon.

I shouldn't generalize though.  Some Varric fans aren't as hostile.  Every barrell has its bad apples.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 février 2011 - 07:34 .

[Nyaore]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Oh, everyone on the Varric thread will tell you that Anders is unlikely because of demon possession and that we have no ground to stand upon.

I shouldn't generalize though.  Some Varric fans aren't as hostile.  Every barrell has its bad apples.

Not everyone. Varric is my favorite character shown thus far and I certainly wouldn't malign anyone's hopes simply to elevate my own. As you pointed out, every group here has it's own fair share of bad apples who are willing to put down fans of other characters to make themselves feel better about their own situation. What's worse is that those kinds of fans are also the ones that tend to be the loudest and more likely tojump into other threads simply to cause trouble. As a result, their calmer counterparts often get ignored in favor for the drama that the others stir up. It's a shame, really, when you think about it, as most fan threads are now more known for their collective troublemakers than for anything else.

Back onto the topic of our favorite mage however, I certainly have to agree with the analysis you posted earlier about Vengence's apparent rank in the demon hierarchy.

Modifié par Nyaore, 13 février 2011 - 07:47 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Nyaore wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Oh, everyone on the Varric thread will tell you that Anders is unlikely because of demon possession and that we have no ground to stand upon.

I shouldn't generalize though.  Some Varric fans aren't as hostile.  Every barrell has its bad apples.

Not everyone. Varric is my favorite character shown thus far and I certainly wouldn't malign anyone's hopes simply to elevate my own. As you pointed out, every group here has it's own fair share of bad apples who are willing to put down fans of other characters to make themselves feel better about their own situation. What's worse is that those kinds of fans are also the ones that tend to be the loudest and more likely tojump into other threads simply to cause trouble. As a result, their calmer counterparts often get ignored in favor for the drama that the others stir up. It's a shame, really, when you think about it, as most fan threads are now more known for their collective troublemakers than for anything else.

Back onto the topic of our favorite mage however, I certainly have to agree with the analysis you posted earlier about Vengence's apparent rank in the demon hierarchy.

Yes, 'tis a sad thing.  They attach to a character and then attack the one who might be seen as competition?  And I get caught up in it sometimes.  I'm hot-blooded!

Anyway!  Back to Anders.  I think he's pretty powerful, he has to be... especially if he has been able to withhold a complete transformation into an abomination.

[Jean]

When Anders gets take over by Justice, do you think that Anders is aware of what Justice says and does?
Or just comes back with a "Lul hai guyz why you all lookin at me? :O"

[Jenova65]

Hey, Kaidan fan here, we understand what it is like to be unpopular (I also quite like Jacob...) I don't think it is a 'fan of a certain character issue', I think it is that wherever you go online there are people who want to upset the apple cart for everyone.

[pagerunner]

@Miri: He's the least favorite for me, and it's a combination of first impressions just not working for me (although I concede this may change) and, I hate to say it, certain fans banging the VARRIC! VARRIC! VARRIC! drum so hard that I got sick of him weeks ago. I want to give him a chance, but now I wince every time he comes up in conversation. Fandom can make ya crazy....

As for Anders and his, ahem, internal struggles: it's getting really disconcerting every time something from Justice drops into my mailbox. You know: this Justice.  That's what I get for turning to them for picking up a couple Monster High dolls, apparently.

Modifié par pagerunner, 13 février 2011 - 07:57 .

[obnoxiousgas]

I think it's probably due to an 'us vs. them' mentality going on now. We've found out that not everyone is going to be a romance option via the Aveline anti-reveal, so now it's a case of finding reason for X not to be a love interest so Y has to be one by default. I'm not going to pretend I'm exactly above it, either, (and I'm certainly not going to pretend to be impartial) but I hope it calms down somewhat when/if it gets confirmed whether X or Y will be the option.



... It probably won't.

[snarkycleric]

obnoxiousgas wrote...

I think it's probably due to an 'us vs. them' mentality going on now. We've found out that not everyone is going to be a romance option via the Aveline anti-reveal, so now it's a case of finding reason for X not to be a love interest so Y has to be one by default. I'm not going to pretend I'm exactly above it, either, (and I'm certainly not going to pretend to be impartial) but I hope it calms down somewhat when/if it gets confirmed whether X or Y will be the option.



... It probably won't.

Sadly. I don't think I'm above it, either - I know which one I would like to see as a LI (obviously), and I'm also aware getting what I want is going to disappoint lots of other people. And nobody wants to be disappointed.

...I don't want to see the clamour when the options get announced, but then I also know if I'm one of the disappointed parties I'd be very, very tempted to join in the clamour. D: 

Modifié par snarkycleric, 13 février 2011 - 08:06 .

[tallon1982]

I think it would be rather interesting to have Anders as a LI simply for the fact that he has the spirit of Justice adding to the drama. Whether it's the Justice we knew from Awakening or not makes it even more intriguing. I would think you could perhaps change how Justice is perhaps return him to being how he was rather than being stuck on vengeance depending on choices made throughout the game. And I would think both are fully aware when one has taken over the physical body (Anders is aware of Justice's actions and vice versa). I'm very eager to see how Ander's story plays out because of this twist and if it does come down to saving Anders or the spirit Justice well I'll have to see how it goes should it ever happen lol.

[Russalka]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Oh, everyone on the Varric thread will tell you that Anders is unlikely because of demon possession and that we have no ground to stand upon.

I really doubt that is an opinion exclusive to Varric fans. And what is wrong with it anyway? 

[snarkycleric]

tallon1982 wrote...

I think it would be rather interesting to have Anders as a LI simply for the fact that he has the spirit of Justice adding to the drama.

That was my thought, too - sounds like a very interesting personal quest plothook. From a roleplaying standpoint - if there was a way to separate Justice from Anders or at least get him back to being Justice instead of Vengeance - my character would be that much more motivated to sort the whole mess out if she was actually romancing Anders.

Modifié par snarkycleric, 13 février 2011 - 08:15 .

[leggywillow]

Ninjacat513 wrote...

I'm saving my rogue Hawkette for him, and my mage for Fenris :3

Anders will probably get ALL my Hawkes, lol... the same way that Kaidan got all my FemSheps and Alistair got all my Wardens.    Actually no, I have 1 FemHawke each planned for Fenris and Isabela; Anders will get the rest most likely.

[bsbcaer]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Oh, everyone on the Varric thread will tell you that Anders is unlikely because of demon possession and that we have no ground to stand upon.

I shouldn't generalize though.  Some Varric fans aren't as hostile.  Every barrell has its bad apples.

Mmmmmm...apples

Well, seeing how you brought it up, I figured I would ask.  How do you foresee a relationship going with Anders?  I mean, you have a character who has multiple personalities (for lack of a better term) and you never know when the person you love may be replaced by the other personality.  If you love both personalities (don't know if this is even possible), how do you reconcile that; I mean, wouldn't it be like cheating on one with the other?  Now with the demon possession, you're talking about the fact that Anders has willingly taken in justice who has warped into the spirit of Vengeance.  From what we know (which isn't much I don't think), it would be difficult (bordering on impossible?) to have both Anders and Vengeance willingly separate from each other without the completion of their task (which seems to be the destruction of the Chantry system).

Anyways, I think this is close to all the questions I have on Anders/Vengeance.  Im looking forward to hearing your answers...

[kcwME]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Oh, everyone on the Varric thread will tell you that Anders is unlikely because of demon possession and that we have no ground to stand upon.

I shouldn't generalize though.  Some Varric fans aren't as hostile.  Every barrell has its bad apples.

Lol, we were actually just having a debate about this in the Varric thread a little while ago. Both sides were represented (by Varric fans) and there was even some impromptu betting: I will eat my hat if Varric is the LI and  Anders is not. We're not so cut and paste as you pointed out.

[Miri1984]

 I am pretty glad there are so many sensibles about. I really wish we could all get what we want though   .

ETA At Bsbcaer The problem is we don't actually KNOW exactly how this thing works. We're going completely on speculation. It's possible that Justice only pops up in moments of EXTREME stress (such as the incident when we first find out about him) and the rest of the time he's nowhere to be seen. It's possible that Anders can control (at least at first) when Justice comes to the fore, summoning him in the same way that Wynne summons her spirit. 

I think the implication is that when you first meet him the relationship is an amicable one, but as time goes on Justice becomes more and more vengeance-y and less and less easy for Anders to control. So I'm betting you can START the romance (if he is an LI) but there might be a few problems continuing it down the track when Justice starts becoming a little unruly.

Modifié par Miri1984, 13 février 2011 - 08:45 .

[kcwME]

Ahh, the joys of resource management. But whatever LI's we get, we know they're going to be awesome. And Anders was too awesome to pass up. ;D

[Russalka]

I have said many times that I would welcome any companion as a love interest, except the siblings of course. What I do not get is the mentality of "No, I want x, x is the best, no one else should have anything they want, not while there is a possibility of x being the romance" that comes with romance topics.

Modifié par Russalka, 13 février 2011 - 09:00 .

[Miri1984]

@Russalka I absolutely agree. It gets very nasty very quickly and I hate it . I really wish we could all get what we want, but I'm heartened by what I've seen of Fenris and I ALWAYS loved Varric so if Anders loses out well... I'll just have to retreat to fanfiction again like I did after Awakenings

[Gilsa]

No need to fret over any thread wars when there aren't any. We're dealing with a combination of 1) lack of closure 2) high anticipation since the release date is so close and 3) too much chocolate that we're secretly eating before Valentine's Day. People are gonna say stupid stuff. This will all ride out. I envy the Aveline thread because the not-knowing is worse than the actual no.



*dwarven fistbump to all*

[Herr Uhl]

Gilsa wrote...

No need to fret over any thread wars when there aren't any. We're dealing with a combination of 1) lack of closure 2) high anticipation since the release date is so close and 3) too much chocolate that we're secretly eating before Valentine's Day. People are gonna say stupid stuff. This will all ride out. I envy the Aveline thread because the not-knowing is worse than the actual no.

*dwarven fistbump to all*

The real fun will start once the game is released. Thread wars galore.

*wipes manly tear of anticipation*