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[NinjaRogue]

pixieface wrote...

NinjaRogue wrote...

pixieface wrote...

Minxie18 wrote...

Finally, Anders dislike/hate seemed directed at the templars not the
circle. It's the templar that are hunting him, not the circle. Why the
shift?

This
confuses me a little, too. I initially thought that he only became
active about going against the Chantry under the influence of Justice
inside him. It's hard to tell if they're saying his own need for
vengeance corrupted Justice, or if the blending of their personalities
is what caused the corruption or... I'm just confusing myself more. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Perhaps
Anders only becomes interested in vengeance (thereby corrupting
Justice) AFTER this incident we witness with his tranquiled friend...

I understood Anders to have a lot of hatred, and not of the half-joking variety, buried under a cool demeanor. Why wouldn't he? His life kind of sucked. It seems that Justice is the catalyst that brings  out his darker side so that we may explore it in DA2, in a way  that we were never able to in Awakening. Or at least that's how I'm interpretting things. I could be wrong.

Anders healing refugee's a darker side of him? And his official profile talks about it being more deep than him having a dark side. He struggles to maintain control over Vengeance. And I think that made him see in some small way, his own dark side. And when you see your own evil, many times you change for the best. 

Darker side does not equal evil side. You can still, say, give back to the community but harbor dark thoughts you are trying to keep buried. So, yes, I totally agree with you. I am of the opinion that Vengences' transformation from Justice is a reflection of an internal change in Anders. We shall see.

Touche' 

[AkaTenar]

annihilator27 wrote...

AkaTenar wrote...

I know I will end up crying.. I hate crying.. But I already know it's going to happen. :/

Crying about what?

Because something is going to happen to one or both of them.  Either good or bad, I'm still going to end up blubbering like I'm 5.  I really can't wait!

[Deliciously-Demonic]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Meet Anders. Some of you may remember Anders from Dragon Age: Origins Awakening, but this mage has changed. Now bonded with the Spirit of Justice, his anger at the Circle of Magi has corrupted Justice into the Spirit of Vengeance. Everyday is now a struggle to contain the spirit within, and everyday it becomes harder to control.

This is not the Anders you remember.

I love him anyways. BECAUSE IT'S ANDERS! -flails- <3:wub:<3

[Xandrar]

So you took my most favorite character of Awakenings and turned into something corrupted. I dunno how I should feel about it, but the idea is f'ing brilliant. This can only work out into something awesome.

[Calla S]

Screw Anders.

JUSTICE, MY LOVE, WHAT HAPPEEEEEENEDDDDD? /weeps

[Annihilator27]

AkaTenar wrote...

annihilator27 wrote...

AkaTenar wrote...

I know I will end up crying.. I hate crying.. But I already know it's going to happen. :/

Crying about what?

Because something is going to happen to one or both of them.  Either good or bad, I'm still going to end up blubbering like I'm 5.  I really can't wait!

Same, I will like to save both if possible. I am on the mages side though.

[Dark Knight X]

hopefully this new Anders is not all brooding and angry all the time.......

[Russalka]

My will is starting to waver. I like it all.



The Awakening epilogues with Justice are problematic though, the perfectionist in me demands an explanation.

[LadyDamodred]

I'm inclined to think Justice becoming Vengeance happens when Anders finds that his friend has been made Tranquil. And from what we're heard, that doesn't appear to happen until a few years into him being your companion. So we might get Anders as is, with a perfectly nice co-habitating Justice, and then BAM! Anders flips, Justice flips and we have something new to deal with.

Or...that could be completely wrong and Justice turned to Vengeance shortly after joining Anders.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 09 février 2011 - 12:03 .

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

I hated Anders, and his turning into some emo avatar of vengeance will likely do little to change my opinion of him. How did this looser end up being the one character our of a great cast of characters (well, mostly Origins; Awakening was just mediocre) that ends up being a companion again.

Though, in all honesty, I mostly hated Ander's voice actor. Not because the voice actor was bad; he was fine. But, I hate that type of voice. It grates at a level somewhere deep in my torso, near the kidney I think. Every time he opened his mouth I wanted to shove a claymore down it to make that horrible sound stop. I had the same issue with Alistar though. I suspect the voices are designed to be pleasing to women or something as they're both effeminate and degrading to the word that is MAN. ;p

It's the type of voice I associate with words like "prissy". No man should ever have the word "prissy" associated with him, btw.

Still, hats off to you girly boy for getting your own appreciation thread!

Modifié par kjdhgfiliuhwe, 08 février 2011 - 11:53 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

I'm liking this Batman correlation.



HE IS YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE.

[andar91]

BeardedNinja wrote...

andar91 wrote...

Interesting. I'm kind off sad about Justice becoming Vengeance, just like I was sad when Aribeth fell and betrayed Neverwinter to become a Blackguard. I HATE it when good characters turn evil-another one that comes to mind is in the War of the Spider Queen series when Hallistra abandoned her redemption and destroys Eilistraelee's Crescent Blade. *tear*

That being said, it's a great plot hook.

Who says Vengenance is evil? It is a slightly darker form of justice, but not necessarily evil. And even if justice is evil doesnt mean Anders is, they are only co-habitating the body.

I suppose.  If Justice just pops out and its like a split personality I'll be less upset.  What I don't want is Anders to turn into a completely different person.  Differences due to story and personality evolution are fine, but still.

[NinjaRogue]

andar91 wrote...

BeardedNinja wrote...

andar91 wrote...

Interesting. I'm kind off sad about Justice becoming Vengeance, just like I was sad when Aribeth fell and betrayed Neverwinter to become a Blackguard. I HATE it when good characters turn evil-another one that comes to mind is in the War of the Spider Queen series when Hallistra abandoned her redemption and destroys Eilistraelee's Crescent Blade. *tear*

That being said, it's a great plot hook.

Who says Vengenance is evil? It is a slightly darker form of justice, but not necessarily evil. And even if justice is evil doesnt mean Anders is, they are only co-habitating the body.

I suppose.  If Justice just pops out and its like a split personality I'll be less upset.  What I don't want is Anders to turn into a completely different person.  Differences due to story and personality evolution are fine, but still.

I am guessing it will be a struggle tween Anders and Vengeance. 

[Dr. wonderful]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Noooo, not Vengeance!

I don't want Anders to be like Velanna, screaming "Vengeance!!!" every time I enter combat...

Says, You. That is my Lady hawke battlecry.

[Arkynomicon]

At first I thought bringing back Anders was a lame decision but this kinda twist pleases me.

[Annoyed Dragon]

I wonder what I kind of talk Anders/Justice will have with Sebastian regarding his quest for revenge?

Modifié par Annoyed Dragon, 09 février 2011 - 12:04 .

[Eudaemonium]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...

I hated Anders, and his turning into some emo avatar of vengeance will likely do little to change my opinion of him. How did this looser end up being the one character our of a great cast of characters (well, mostly Origins; Awakening was just mediocre) that ends up being a companion again.

Though, in all honesty, I mostly hated Ander's voice actor. Not because the voice actor was bad; he was fine. But, I hate that type of voice. It grates at a level somewhere deep in my torso, near the kidney I think. Every time he opened his mouth I wanted to shove a claymore down it to make that horrible sound stop. I had the same issue with Alistar though. I suspect the voices are designed to be pleasing to women or something as they're both effeminate and degrading to the word that is MAN. ;p

It's the type of voice I associate with words like "prissy". No man should ever have the word "prissy" associated with him, btw.

Still, hats off to you girly boy for getting your own appreciation thread!

Considering my voice is a slightly-deeper version of Alistair's, I take offence at your provocations!

Slightly.

[KawaiiKatie]

RinjiRenee wrote...

I'm liking this Batman correlation.
HE IS YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE.

Reports are coming in of a masked vigilante, beating Templars within an inch of their lives! Commissioner Meredith is baffled and enraged. Her only the lead? The cat-like symbol that flashes the sky every time a mage is in danger....

[leggywillow]

Annoyed Dragon wrote...

I wonder what I kind of talk Anders/Justice will have with Sebastians regarding his quest for revenge?

I just hope they aren't too one-note about it (though I'm not really worried about this; the writers always do a great job).

Anders/Justice:  VEEEENNGGEEEAANNCEE!
Sebastian: REEEVEENNGEEE!
Hawke: ::rubs temples in exasperation::  Come on now, guys, I only burned dinner a bit.
Anders/Seb:  Dinner will be AVENGED!

[Dante Angelo]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

I'm liking this Batman correlation.
HE IS YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE.

Reports are coming in of a masked vigilante, beating Templars within an inch of their lives! Commissioner Meredith is baffled and enraged. Her only the lead? The cat-like symbol that flashes the sky every time a mage is in danger....

Wait who's gonna be like the Joker.....................

[LadyDamodred]

Filament wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

I'm inclined to think Justice becoming Vengeance happens when Anders finds that his friend has been made Tranquil. And from what we're heard, that doesn't appear to happen until a few years into him being your companion. So we might get Anders as is, with a perfectly nice co-habitating Justice, and then BAM! Anders flips, Justice flips and we have something new to deal with.

I think you are onto something here.

Like I said, I could be wrong, but this seems like a bigger twist for Hawke than Anders starting out possessed by a demonic spirit of veneagce.

[Eudaemonium]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

I'm liking this Batman correlation.
HE IS YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE.

Reports are coming in of a masked vigilante, beating Templars within an inch of their lives! Commissioner Meredith is baffled and enraged. Her only the lead? The cat-like symbol that flashes the sky every time a mage is in danger....

I'm Eudaemonium and this is my favourite post in this thread.

[KennethAFTopp]

this whole game is starting to remind me of the 90's where everything had to be extreme of extreme, like Extreme Ghostbusters or EXTREME ANDERS/JUSTICE.