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[dreamextractor]

Eshaye wrote...

I'm going to blame Nathaniel for letting a templar shadow Anders as my warden wouldn't have accepted that either had she still been in charge and not at court.. :/

It's all very tragic, and delicious! Muah ha! I hope we don't romance him only to have him die or some equivalent..

Same. I REALLY hope Nathaniel's potential cameo will shed some light on this.

[ReallyRue]

I kind of want to slap my Surana for running off to Antiva and leaving the Wardens in this situation. She would desperately want to help her friends no matter what.



Hawke on the other hand, doesn't know Anders or Justice. She'd react to Anders with suspicion because of the danger of abominations and the fear that he would attract templars. Obviously I wouldn't kill him on sight, but it'll be tough trying to get into the headspace of a character who doesn't know them yet.

[obnoxiousgas]

I imagined Nathaniel's cameo to be in the first year and presumably before we meet Anders, but if we were to have a second one later on in the game... That could be a pretty awesome encounter.

[harktag]

Great writeup, leggywillow!



What a day! Hearing about Fenris and (more importantly) Anders! Now the big question for me is: which one does my Male Hawke get.......

[Miri1984]

The perception of abominations is so coloured by the Chantry doctrine - what constitutes an abomination, really? Is Wynne an abomination? She does pretty much exactly the same thing Anders does (calls on a spirit when she's in trouble) so should the Templars have killed her? I know some people think they should have.



I mean, is it just because Wynne was old and unromancable that people don't mind her hanging around camp?

[madsabroo]

Miri1984 wrote...

The perception of abominations is so coloured by the Chantry doctrine - what constitutes an abomination, really? Is Wynne an abomination? She does pretty much exactly the same thing Anders does (calls on a spirit when she's in trouble) so should the Templars have killed her? I know some people think they should have.

I mean, is it just because Wynne was old and unromancable that people don't mind her hanging around camp?

Not to mention, with Bethany around I think Hawke might be pretty sympathetic on the abomination question.  Things like that become less black and white when it strikes so close to home.  MageHawke would have a unique perspective, too.

[panamakira]

My warden went back to Alistair to rule. The moment she leaves, the Chantry and the Wardens cheat Anders? I wasn't a mage in my import to DA2 but I supported the Mages....there's no way my warden would do that to a friend and mage.

If my warden saved Connor, Lady Hawke can save Anders ok!!!!?


*sad panda*

Still happy we got Anders!

[Miri1984]

I always thought it was a bit dodgy that your mage warden could technically be Arl of Amaranthine - I can't imagine the Chantry was pleased with THAT little arrangement, and I suspect they would have been working frantically behind the scenes to find some way to pull that rank from Alim ASAP. Of course, they've got the whole "hero of Ferelden" tag - that unfortunately Anders doesn't share, hence the crackdown .



Gah, I knew it would be DARK but I wasn't prepared for quite how dark. And I'm still holding out hope that we can somehow bring Justice back to himself.

[ReallyRue]

Miri1984 wrote...

The perception of abominations is so coloured by the Chantry doctrine - what constitutes an abomination, really? Is Wynne an abomination? She does pretty much exactly the same thing Anders does (calls on a spirit when she's in trouble) so should the Templars have killed her? I know some people think they should have.

I mean, is it just because Wynne was old and unromancable that people don't mind her hanging around camp?

I think it helps that she appeared to be the most moral character in the party. Although you had to take her word for it when she said she was possessed by a benevolent spirit, her actions suggest she wasn't an 'abomination' in the sense of Uldred. Anders is another kettle of fish because his spirit is corrupted and out of control.
I'd use another word to 'abomination' but I don't know of an appropriate alternative. Possessed person, maybe? Although Wynne wasn't technically possessed, she still seemed to retain free will.
In a conversation with her, she can agree that an abomination is something that is consumed by madness and can't remember the person it once was. This doesn't include Wynne, nor Connor for that matter. It seems half and half with Anders from his story, but that might just be the initial confusion of the change. Uldred however seemed completely possessed (although we don't know what he was like before.).

[madsabroo]

Miri1984 wrote...

I always thought it was a bit dodgy that your mage warden could technically be Arl of Amaranthine - I can't imagine the Chantry was pleased with THAT little arrangement, and I suspect they would have been working frantically behind the scenes to find some way to pull that rank from Alim ASAP. Of course, they've got the whole "hero of Ferelden" tag - that unfortunately Anders doesn't share, hence the crackdown .

Gah, I knew it would be DARK but I wasn't prepared for quite how dark. And I'm still holding out hope that we can somehow bring Justice back to himself.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a way to salvage Anders, but I'm pretty sure Vengeance is toast.  I'm sort of secretly hoping for a completely evil ending in which Anders and my female mage Hawke completely obliterate the templars and execute a massive prison break for mages.  I don't usually play dark characters, but this complex Anders thing is making it very, very tempting. 

[ReallyRue]

Sort of unrelated. Listening to Two Steps From Hell. Makes me think of the whole Anders/Justice/Vengeance thing. Even the music titles seem appropriate.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I haven't caught up with ANYTHING other than that announcement yet, so if I'm behind on the news and we've had some devastating blow to counteract this awesomeness then I will live in happy denial for the next few seconds just to say...



YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

[Nohvarr]

So now we come to the real question, if it comes down to it, if common sense demands it, would you slay the abomination Anders has become?

[Jean]

Miri1984 wrote...

I always thought it was a bit dodgy that your mage warden could technically be Arl of Amaranthine - I can't imagine the Chantry was pleased with THAT little arrangement, and I suspect they would have been working frantically behind the scenes to find some way to pull that rank from Alim ASAP. Of course, they've got the whole "hero of Ferelden" tag - that unfortunately Anders doesn't share, hence the crackdown .

Gah, I knew it would be DARK but I wasn't prepared for quite how dark. And I'm still holding out hope that we can somehow bring Justice back to himself.

Especially if said mage is also an elf.

That story was definitely the saddest one for me. 
I'll stand by what my Wardens say to Wynne on the subject of abominations: If one still retains their humanity, one is not an abomination.

Those conversations with Wynne definitely seem much more interesting now.

Modifié par Batteries, 14 février 2011 - 11:05 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Filament wrote...

So I guess Justice became Vengeance either immediately after possession, or before.

Well the character page says he became corrupted due to Anders's anger. Quote from the character page:

Anders, the light-hearted rebel mage from Dragon Age: Origins, Awakening, has changed. Urged by his friend Justice to fight the Circle of Magi more actively, Anders agreed to become Justice's human host… only to find that his anger at the Circle warped Justice into the demonic spirit of Vengeance. Now Anders must struggle mentally and physically to maintain his control over the demon within... at least long enough to see the Circle of Magi overturned forever.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 14 février 2011 - 11:03 .

[Miri1984]

Nohvarr wrote...

So now we come to the real question, if it comes down to it, if common sense demands it, would you slay the abomination Anders has become?

Define abomination. I will if it's necessary, though. Absolutely. If it isn't necessary, I won't.

[panamakira]

Nohvarr wrote...

So now we come to the real question, if it comes down to it, if common sense demands it, would you slay the abomination Anders has become?

You mean if there is no way to turn him back? I think it would be the most difficult descicion ever made in a Dragon Age world but if I see that Anders is suffering, I would probably do it.

But I think we can save him, not because I'm trying to stay positive but we have evidence that is possible to exorcise a Mage from a demon! Connor, although not a strong mage yet it was possible. It just means we have to kill Justice/ Vengeance.

I hope I don't have to kill Anders. I hope I'm not ever given that choice, when clearly in the past they have shown that you can free a mage from an abomination.

[PrinceOfFallout13]

Nohvarr wrote...

So now we come to the real question, if it comes down to it, if common sense demands it, would you slay the abomination Anders has become?

no

[HolyJellyfish]

Miri1984 wrote...

The perception of abominations is so coloured by the Chantry doctrine - what constitutes an abomination, really? Is Wynne an abomination? She does pretty much exactly the same thing Anders does (calls on a spirit when she's in trouble) so should the Templars have killed her? I know some people think they should have.

I mean, is it just because Wynne was old and unromancable that people don't mind her hanging around camp?

I dinno. Anders story goes onto describe him drinking the blood of another human.

I'm pretty sure he's an abomination.

[Taleroth]

Filament wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Filament wrote...

So I guess Justice became Vengeance either immediately after possession, or before.

Well the character page says he became corrupted due to Anders's anger. Quote from the character page:

Anders, the light-hearted rebel mage from Dragon Age: Origins, Awakening, has changed. Urged by his friend Justice to fight the Circle of Magi more actively, Anders agreed to become Justice's human host… only to find that his anger at the Circle warped Justice into the demonic spirit of Vengeance. Now Anders must struggle mentally and physically to maintain his control over the demon within... at least long enough to see the Circle of Magi overturned forever.

Well, it could be that Justice sensed his anger at the Circle and got a general sense of the situation while he was still in Kristoff's body, which you can kind of see happening in Awakening. Maybe.

 It really doesn't sound like a big change for Justice.  He was... unforgiving.

[Phate Phoenix]

Nohvarr wrote...

So now we come to the real question, if it comes down to it, if common sense demands it, would you slay the abomination Anders has become?

De-lurking to answer this, because I find myself tormented over it. Honestly? No. No, I don't think I could kill him, if it came down to it. Not unless there was nothing left of Anders and I knew it, and even then I'd have to be bullied and forced into the confrontation.

Now would be a really nasty time for Bioware to stop offering the third options, I'm just saying.

[panamakira]

Anders story is just dark but I see so much more reward if we're able to save him and make change in the Thedas for mages. I just want to stay hopeful, because I think there should be hope.



I'm really loving Anders' story and Fenris. So good. Can't wait to play~

[kcwME]

He turns and runs, and from behind, I tear his head off at the neck, no magic, just me, whatever that is now. His blood splashes into my open mouth and it tastes like honeyed wine and the warmth spreads through me.

Woah, totally missed that scene in my hurried enthusiasm. Woah, Anders. Woah.  

(still totally going to tap that )

[Nohvarr]

Phate Phoenix wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

So now we come to the real question, if it comes down to it, if common sense demands it, would you slay the abomination Anders has become?

De-lurking to answer this, because I find myself tormented over it. Honestly? No. No, I don't think I could kill him, if it came down to it. Not unless there was nothing left of Anders and I knew it, and even then I'd have to be bullied and forced into the confrontation.

Now would be a really nasty time for Bioware to stop offering the third options, I'm just saying.

Well, in ME 1, you were presented with a situation that had no third option....so I ask you this. ..you can either save Anders or another party memeber (Merril/Varric/Your sibling) who do you choose?

Perhaps the choice will be between saving Anders...and accomplishing his dream of free mages. Now there's a question, would you kill Anders if it meant his dream of mages using their maker given gifts without fear of the Chantry, would come true? Or would you save him even if it ruined his hopes for free mages?

Modifié par Nohvarr, 14 février 2011 - 11:23 .