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[Ms .45]

Wrenisbanana wrote...

I've read his short story twice now. He didn't actually bite the guy, right? Just tore off his head and blood splashed into his mouth... or something

Just tore off his head? Well, that's perfectly OK then.

[Ninjacat513]

Lillgremlin wrote...

Ninjacat513 wrote...

Lillgremlin wrote...

Ninjacat513 wrote...

What if Anders has violent mood swings while, ahem, caboodling with Hawkette

Rough sex? :innocent:

Teehee

:innocent:

AAAGH! THATS NOT SUPPOSED TO GO IN THERE!!! MY SPLEEEN!!

A wise Qunari once said, "...No."

Let's hope this is not the case with Anders

Modifié par Ninjacat513, 15 février 2011 - 02:45 .

[SurelyForth]

Threeparts wrote...

If I gave him that, he would give me all he had, all he was. Together, we could remake Thedas into a world where justice rules, not fear.

What kind of powers does Justice have? I don't think a hatred for injustice is a power, per se, so what exactly was Justice offering that would be "all he had"?

If Justice being there is anything like the Spirit Warrior spec, Justice can help him avoid attack and a bunch of mystical stuff. Also, Wynne's spirit gave her a fancypants new ability.

Is there a place for me anywhere?

And Anders is on the run again, and my heart aches for the lad. Scared, hunted, alone, with the potential to go crazy and kill anyone that tries to help him.

Yeah, this makes me so, so sad. My Wardens would never allow this to happen, and it's distressing to think that he thought he was doing something just and then it turns out so horribly for him. 

[Ninjacat513]

I feel inspired to write a short story about violent mood swings and lubs

I'll make it so you can read it to an adolesent, no worries! 

[Morroian]

Threeparts wrote...

Yep, that's why I think this is after our Warden left Vigil's Keep. Whoever we left in charge, or whoever they left in charge (I'm actually guessing they sent someone used to command from Weisshaupt after our Warden leaves) may have made a deal with the Chantry to hand Anders over, or to simply gain more power within the Order.

I think its pretty clear. Rolan joined the Warden's to spy for the templars (wonder what happened when he found out about the limited life?). He saw Anders and Justice make their deal, took it to the Warden Commander who agreed that if Anders was an abomination that he had to die. I'm generally on the mages side but the evidence would have been fairly clear about Anders, Rolan was around when it happened. So I can't exactly blame the Warden's for sanctioning his killing.

[Face of Evil]

Ms .45 wrote...

Just tore off his head? Well, that's perfectly OK then.

Hey, we've all been there. Words are exchanged, the moment becomes a little tense and then all of a sudden you're screaming like a thing possessed and pulling off your buddy Steve's head.

What's important is the lessons you take away from it. Like knowing when to control your temper, how to get blood out of a T-shirt and where are the best places in your backyard to bury body parts.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 15 février 2011 - 03:03 .

[Miri1984]

Hey, Fenris can reach into your chest cavity and pull out your heart! What's a little decapitation between lovers?

[pagerunner]

I wonder if we're going to end up with a choice between basically saving Anders or encouraging the dark-side swing, as it were, in order to take advantage of the extra power in combat. It would be pretty much like cuddling a ticking time bomb to your chest if you went the latter direction, but still....

eta: and @MIri, re: the decapitation: *choke* 

Modifié par pagerunner, 15 février 2011 - 03:08 .

[panamakira]

Threeparts wrote...

panamakira wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

It seems that when Vengeance is sated, he allows Anders to take control again, leaving the mage we know and love with little idea of what he's done, even though he realises that he did it.
More evidence of the Wardens and the Templars colluding - why would the Wardens need the Templars? They're not around to hunt apostates, their focus is on the Darkspawn. Something has obviously changed in the Order. Was this a set-up by the Commander, or did the Templars act on their own to intercept whatever the Wardens were doing?

I just cannot see being the fault of the Commander. I know what I did in the game, what choices I've made, why would out of nowhere betray my friend and brother, as we're both Grey Warden to participate on Witch Hunts with Templars. Duncan was clear when he told Alistair when we meet him in Ostagar to stop caring about the mages and chantry as it was not Grey Warden business and this is as I and many others played their Wardens.

I do however completely agree that "something" happened within the Order. My warden didn't stay, so now the Chantry runs the Grey Wardens??!! Ugh!! I hope we get answerd because I don't like it! It's like these are not things my Warden would've done, what happened?

Either way, I get more evidence as to why I should not support the chantry, but Anders running crazy with Vengeance is not helping the cause. We have to get rid of Vengeance or save him and then fight the Chantry in a smart way.

I love it!

Yep, that's why I think this is after our Warden left Vigil's Keep. Whoever we left in charge, or whoever they left in charge (I'm actually guessing they sent someone used to command from Weisshaupt after our Warden leaves) may have made a deal with the Chantry to hand Anders over, or to simply gain more power within the Order.

That said, my Avia Cousland would be in shock and grieving, but my Iyana Tabris would be somewhere in Antiva when she hears the news and would be giving Anders a telepathic high five. 

Yeah my Queen-warden needs to get rid of those making shady deals with the Chantry to control the Order in Ferelden. 

Or Lady Hawke needs to visit my Cousland and tell it like it is. Who do they think they are!!!? They can't run the GW. We have enough as it is dealing with darkspawn<_<

I do not worry, Lady Hawke will make everything better! even Anders

[Threeparts]

Morroian wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

Yep, that's why I think this is after our Warden left Vigil's Keep. Whoever we left in charge, or whoever they left in charge (I'm actually guessing they sent someone used to command from Weisshaupt after our Warden leaves) may have made a deal with the Chantry to hand Anders over, or to simply gain more power within the Order.

I think its pretty clear. Rolan joined the Warden's to spy for the templars (wonder what happened when he found out about the limited life?). He saw Anders and Justice make their deal, took it to the Warden Commander who agreed that if Anders was an abomination that he had to die. I'm generally on the mages side but the evidence would have been fairly clear about Anders, Rolan was around when it happened. So I can't exactly blame the Warden's for sanctioning his killing.

See, this is where it varies between Wardens. My 'canon' warden is cool with abominations. She liked and respected Wynne, and agreed that if an abomination retained its humanity, then it couldn't truly be an abomination. Hell, she saved Connor and purged him of the demon even though he slaughtered a castle full of people and raised them as undead. I doubt she would permit the execution of Anders without fully investigating the situation and seeking other methods first.

Other Wardens, depending on how they were played, would be more than happy to have Anders listed as KoS, just as they may have killed Connor outright or gotten rid of Wynne.

The differences is why I hope it was after our Warden left Vigil's Keep: then the story would not make any of our characters act in a way they normally wouldn't, whether good or bad. This way the situation is beyond our control and fits into a variety of scenarios.

[Reinara]

I don't know about other people and I'm probably in the weird minority but my blood mage Amell would be more than giddy at this development and probably even help kill the Templars or permanently shut the trap of the people attempting to pursue him (heck I'm surprised they haven't went after her first considering she left the people of redcliffe to die, freed demons left and right, sided with the werewolves, corrupted the urn, etc.)



But yeeeeessss Anders and potentially messed up romance, hopefully we could have the option to keep both him and Justice/Vengeance in the end.

[Rinji the Bearded]

... I just noticed something.

... Anders, as a child, set a barn on fire.

...He can only use the fire spell when the plot suits him! He knows plot-fu!

/random observance.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 15 février 2011 - 03:45 .

[syllogi]

I liked Justice well enough in Awakening, but he wasn't the most personable character. If I have to choose between him and Anders, it will be easy.



I just hope the choice isn't between AbominationAnders and DeadAnders. That would really, really blow. =(

[sassperella]

The story about Anders was meant to be repellant and disturbing, it is after all, the birth of a demon. Anders has little or no control at the time, a point illustrated by the latter part of the story where he looks at what has happened but doesn't remember it. Demon genesis is not meant to be pretty but it's not Anders, even though the spirit/demon fed on Anders emotions they would have been amplified within the entity as the spirit is an embodiment of justice that is warped to vengeance. Anders wouldn't have voluntarily created such carnage. I think this low point is the centre of Anders struggle, he doesn't want to return there, ever. He can sense the change in Justice and he realises what he has done and it's implications.

[Johnny Shepard]

This Awakening Epilogue:



"Anders will remain with the Grey Wardens to train the Order's next generation of mages. When he is called by the Circle of Magi to deliver a lecture on the nature of the Architect - much to the templars' dismay - he tells the Commander of the Grey that his time with the Wardens is over. No longer a part of the Wardens, the Chantry brands him an apostate, but never captures him. He is last seen on a pirate ship with a familiar woman."



How do I get it? If it really is Isabela then I would like to get that Epilogue and se what happens in DA2.

[Threeparts]

 I think we really need to get out of the habit of thinking about Justice as... well, Justice. As far as I can gather from the short story and the site synopsis, Justice - the Justice, our Justice - no longer exists. There's an echo of his memories, but it's not him any more. He's not the fellow we picked up in the Blackmarsh who disapproved of pets and felt sorry for Aura. He's a demonic murderer with a hatred for Templars, barely kept in check by the mage he's possessing.

I no longer believe there's anything left of him to save, but I guess we'll see. 

[kcwME]

R.I.P. Justice



*tears*

[Morroian]

Threeparts wrote...


See, this is where it varies between Wardens. My 'canon' warden is cool with abominations. She liked and respected Wynne, and agreed that if an abomination retained its humanity, then it couldn't truly be an abomination. 

My Amell Warden would agree. But he has knowledge few other possess. I'm just saying for someone else (who may not even be a mage) its not necessarily unreasonable to give the order for Anders to be killed. It doesn't even require the Wardens to be under the thumb of the chantry. 

[Rinji the Bearded]

Wasn't able to draw that much tonight (was spending time with the fiance for v-day ), but I wanted to share this song.  I was listening it to help wind down before bed and now the lyrics are sounding very Anders-y to me... I dunno.  You can be the judge!  It's really pretty music otherwise.

The Reign of Kindo - The Moments In Between

Enjoy! <3

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 15 février 2011 - 04:07 .

[SgtElias]

Threeparts wrote...

 I'm just saying for someone else (who may not even be a mage) its not necessarily unreasonable to give the order for Anders to be killed. It doesn't even require the Wardens to be under the thumb of the chantry.

 I assume that, if it's ever brought up at all, that Anders will mention that it's after the Warden stepped down as commander. Because then, no matter what, it doesn't "contradict" anything. It just means that the Hero of Ferelden wasn't around to do anything one way or ther other, much as the epilogue of Awakening suggests anyway.

And that way, everyone who would have given the "kill" order are satisfied because the Wardens did it eventually anyway, and everyone that screamed (like myself), "But my Warden would NEVER have allowed that!" are reassured that it didn't happen on their character's watch.

Not that the developers are sitting around biting their nails about a little fan-rage, or anything. But that's my guess on how it'll be explained, if the character ever reveals that information at all.

Modifié par SgtElias, 15 février 2011 - 04:18 .

[Tatooine92]

My FemHawke (and I) wanted Anders until I read the various analyses of that little one-shot, and now... Now, I don't know. I don't... I can't... Okay, I'm going to go sit over here and cry miserably, along with my FemDalish who, in my head, fell in wuv with Anders during Awakening.



SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE, BIOWARE?!?! YOU MADE ME CRY!!!! CURSE YOU! CURSE YOU (and all the halflings)!

[Raven_26]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

He didn't know what he was doing, at leat in this moment. If he started to eat humans while he's in control, I'm going to agree with you.

He doesn't seem to argue about the taste, though!

And it's still disturbing how he can do it at any moment.

If Anders breaks out a bottle of barbecue sauce and starts eyeballing everyone, then I will seriously start worrying.

I think he has more controle then at if he is runing a hospital healing kids..can't imagen them coming to get healed and he eats them instead XD

@AtreiyaN7 lol Simi? (From Dark Hunters?)

[tankgirly]

*Sigh* I have to ask, since I returned a few hours later and saw no one response to my short story post at page 89. Anyone?

[Saibh]

You know, I find it really interesting how well the team who made Anders' face kept with his original model. The returning characters had updates, but Anders looks pretty close to his original appearance.