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[nenosronhir]

Guess I'll post this here also, since it's more to do with DA2!Anders ;~;

[upsettingshorts]

So I was listening to "Behind Blue Eyes" by The Who - because I love The Who - and despite the fact I almost never make these connections nor develop any enthusiasm for them, I thought "This song is Anders/Justice-Vengeance."



Am I crazy for thinking this? I mean, the guy even has glowing blue eyes. Though the part about the empty conscience would be hard to coincide with the character... unless that's the part currently occupied by the spirit/demon - and it kind of is.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 15 février 2011 - 09:30 .

[SgtElias]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

So I was listening to "Behind Blue Eyes" by The Who - because I love The Who - and despite the fact I almost never make these connections nor develop any enthusiasm for them, I thought "This song is Anders/Justice-Vengeance."

*snip*

Am I crazy for thinking this? I mean, the guy even has glowing blue eyes.

Great song. And, despite the fact that I never really make these connection, either, I did just "D'awwww" a little when I saw it posted.

Edited to say: I sort of see what you mean as I listen to it. Apparently it's been much too long since I last listened to this song.

Modifié par SgtElias, 15 février 2011 - 09:34 .

[mellifera]

nenosronhir wrote...

Guess I'll post this here also, since it's more to do with DA2!Anders ;~;

I'M IN A GLASS CASE OF E...VISCERATED BODIES.

[ThatDancingTurian]

nenosronhir wrote...

Guess I'll post this here also, since it's more to do with DA2!Anders ;~;
*SNIP*

That's very well done! Also very sad.

[SgtElias]

nenosronhir wrote...

Guess I'll post this here also, since it's more to do with DA2!Anders ;~;

*snip-a-doodle*

It's absolutely disgusting how excited I am the darker things get.

Great art, by the way, thanks for posting.

[Anarya]

I..uh...really hope Anders is more "old Anders with a dark edgy quality" and less "crazed cannibal reaver psychopath". Because the latter is unsexy.

@shorts: I see your point, that song is eerily appropriate.

Modifié par Anarya, 15 février 2011 - 09:49 .

[obnoxiousgas]

nenosronhir wrote...

Guess I'll post this here also, since it's more to do with DA2!Anders ;~;

That's so awesome and it makes me want to make quiet whimpering noises. Bioware must be having tremendous fun tugging on the heartstrings here.

I wanted classic Anders but this is so interesting and guh. /coherency

[nenosronhir]

It is ridiculous how exponentially my of Anders has risen now that it's not just glowing-eyes-demonic, but full abomination demonic!Anders. I agree that I'd rather have him be dark/edgy Anders, maintaining that adorable wit 99% of the time, but that he runs the risk of going full-abomination if he doesn't watch himself... hngggggg. I want to see eeeyt.

Thank-you for all the lovely comments, everyone ;-;

[Threeparts]

Anarya wrote...

I..uh...really hope Anders is more "old Anders with a dark edgy quality" and less "crazed cannibal reaver psychopath". Because the latter is unsexy.

@shorts: I see your point, that song is eerily appropriate.

His writer, Jennifer Hepler:

Anders is definitely still recognizable as snarky ol' Anders on most subjects. He/Justice just have one enormous blind spot. And the bigger that issue gets in the world, the harder it is for Anders to focus on anything else...

So I don't think it will be awful depressing scary sadtimes 24/7, just that he'll get worse as things get more tense.

[magicwins]

I don't know if this has been discussed, but why is Janders SO powerful? Abominations were dime-a-dozen in the Circle tower. Uldred was a Pride demon, so he kicked ass. But where does Justice lie? And where does the other demon, Audacity lie?



The biblical system is a little too simple to deal with all this, imo. I wonder what the devs have planned.

[SgtElias]

nenosronhir wrote...

It is ridiculous how exponentially my of Anders has risen now that it's not just glowing-eyes-demonic, but full abomination demonic!Anders.
Thank-you for all the lovely comments, everyone ;-;

Gods help me, I'm right there with you. I can't say I love the idea of arguing with everyone else about why I'm knocking boots with an abomination, but there is something sort of horribly delicious about someone who is so very good but so very evil at the same time.

Sigh. I'm so glad we have less than a month to go, and that I've already paid. I'll be waiting in line at midnight. It'll be like New Years, except much better.

[Miri1984]

He's not an abomination in the sense that the Tower's abominations were. There was nothing left of the mages they inhabited, so they basically just were manifestations of the demons from the fade - same powers etc. However, Justice and Anders seem to have genuinely fused - so they're capable of more together than they would be alone. One of Justice's dialogues with Nathaniel hints at that - that if a spirit and a mage joined together they would be capable of a lot more than just an every day abomination.

[SgtElias]

Miri1984 wrote...

He's not an abomination in the sense that the Tower's abominations were. There was nothing left of the mages they inhabited, so they basically just were manifestations of the demons from the fade - same powers etc. However, Justice and Anders seem to have genuinely fused - so they're capable of more together than they would be alone. One of Justice's dialogues with Nathaniel hints at that - that if a spirit and a mage joined together they would be capable of a lot more than just an every day abomination.

Oh, I know. I just don't think too many people would bother making the distinction in-game. But you can be sure my F!Hawke will be laying the smackdown on those that call him that.

I know he's not really an abomination. I think I just say it because the idea seems very strange to me, despite his bold new story full of gore.

[HolyJellyfish]

Jeez... And the same woman who wrote Braska's Anvil is also writing Anders...



.... His storyline is going to be sooooo disturbing, creepy, and dark.

[nightcobra]

i'll probably try to bring vengeance back to being justice and give anders peace of mind. even so according to the short story he's still guilty of murder and knowing that i'll keep him alive as it is my belief that death is an easy way that ultimately accomplishes very little. he'll pay for the lives he's taken by saving as many lives as he can by healing others.

[Jean]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Jeez... And the same woman who wrote Braska's Anvil is also writing Anders...

.... His storyline is going to be sooooo disturbing, creepy, and dark.

Hopefully with many shades of grey added in the mix

[magicwins]

Miri1984 wrote...

He's not an abomination in the sense that the Tower's abominations were. There was nothing left of the mages they inhabited, so they basically just were manifestations of the demons from the fade - same powers etc. However, Justice and Anders seem to have genuinely fused - so they're capable of more together than they would be alone. One of Justice's dialogues with Nathaniel hints at that - that if a spirit and a mage joined together they would be capable of a lot more than just an every day abomination.

I have rebuttals. What about Connor? What about the mages in the tower who were converted by Uldred? He had to force them to accept, and accept they did.

Is it the strength of the mage? The bond between the two? The nature of the spirit? The spirit itself, i.e are there other measures of a spirit's potency, besides its nature?

[nenosronhir]

Well, the hierarchy of demons is something like rage<hunger<sloth<desire<pride, and from what you see in the tower, most of the actual abominations(with the exception of Uldred) are rage/hunger, the weakest tiers. There's no equivalent chart for fade spirits, so we don't know where Justice ranks on it - but considering how powerful he can become in Awakening... Combine that with Anders' own strength as a mage, and it seems to me they'd logically be a pretty potent combo.

[nightcobra]

hmm...i wonder...does anders have kristoff's memories? since justice gained his memories and right now anders and justice are basically melded together.

[magicwins]

nenosronhir wrote...

Well, the hierarchy of demons is something like rage<hunger<sloth<desire<pride, and from what you see in the tower, most of the actual abominations(with the exception of Uldred) are rage/hunger, the weakest tiers. There's no equivalent chart for fade spirits, so we don't know where Justice ranks on it - but considering how powerful he can become in Awakening... Combine that with Anders' own strength as a mage, and it seems to me they'd logically be a pretty potent combo.

Hmm.... That's weird. The sloth demon was obscenely powerful aka the Fade sequence was f***ing long. Connor's desire demon, on the other hand, was a complete pushover. I know he's a child, but I would've expected something slightly better.

[Aramintai]

I was wondering about the consistency of the Awakening epilogue regarding Anders and Justice. There are several epilogue endings for these characters depending on whether they survive, are loyal etc. which can be read in here:
http://dragonage.wik...ogue_(Awakening)

So my question is this: How will Anders fit in DA II if he was killed?
Also, if already possessed Anders is met in DA II in the early years, meaning during or shortly after the Awakening, then how does Justice's epilogue where "he serves Grey Wardens for many years before completely rotting out" fits in with the plot?

Will these epilogues be just discarded? If they will it would seem pretty weak, seeing how this would mean that there was practically no point in doing anything for these characters in Awakening.

Modifié par Aramintai, 15 février 2011 - 10:40 .

[snarkycleric]

magicwins wrote...



Hmm.... That's weird. The sloth demon was obscenely powerful aka the Fade sequence was f***ing long. Connor's desire demon, on the other hand, was a complete pushover. I know he's a child, but I would've expected something slightly better.

Here's a thought - it's got more to do with the way they function in those particular scenarios? The sloth demons feed off apathy, fear and doubt, and in the Tower the demon would have had that in spades, since neither side knew who to trust and probably quite a few people had just given up hope since they couldn't get out. On the other hand, Connor's desire demon is going to have a much harder time persuading you if you really want to get rid of it.

[nenosronhir]

@magicwins It might be desire<sloth, I'm not 100% sure. I do think that their strengths aren't so much judged by their power in combat as their ability to seduce mortals(and who better than desire and pride?) The Warden is able to break free of Sloth's mental influence, but cannot break the influence of a desire demon without extreme measures(blood ritual/several mages for Connor, killing the templar in the circle, outwitting the demon before it takes hold of the girl in Honnleath).



@aramintai I think it's been stated a few places that those epilogue slides aren't written in stone, so to speak.

[magicwins]

snarkycleric wrote...

magicwins wrote...

Hmm.... That's weird. The sloth demon was obscenely powerful aka the Fade sequence was f***ing long. Connor's desire demon, on the other hand, was a complete pushover. I know he's a child, but I would've expected something slightly better.

Here's a thought - it's got more to do with the way they function in those particular scenarios? The sloth demons feed off apathy, fear and doubt, and in the Tower the demon would have had that in spades, since neither side knew who to trust and probably quite a few people had just given up hope since they couldn't get out. On the other hand, Connor's desire demon is going to have a much harder time persuading you if you really want to get rid of it.

Nuh uh. The sloth demon concept works, but you backtrack on the Connor one. The sloth demon was strong because of the energies it fed off, namely that of the mages that came before you, and this allowed it to entrap you, pushing it's 'frame' onto you and forcing you to comply. It never used you to power itself. In Connor's scenrio, his intense desire to see his father well, as well as his father's desire to see his son should have kept the desire demon going.

Neither demon was ever going to gain anything worthwhile from the warden or his companions. They were using their existing powers to subjugate him (or her).