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[shumworld]

I plan to make a female comon elf rouge that I intend to have her romance Alister. Will Alister still marry my warden if she turned Logaine into a Warden?

[mousestalker]

No.

[HolyAvenger]

mousestalker wrote...

No.

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[ejoslin]

You have two deal breakers in there.

Edit: The marriage has to be approved by both Alistair and the landsmeet, and honestly, a hardened Alistair will marry a human noble at -100 hostile if her persuade skill is high enough (unhardened Alistair has to be at least -25 neutral).  

Truthfully, though, only one of the love interests actually proposes to the warden.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 février 2011 - 01:52 .

[Ferretinabun]

I'm afraid not - on several counts:

1) Alistair will always storm off in a huff if you spare Loghain - unless he is hardened and has agreed to marry Anora, or Anora has him executed instead.

2) If you make him King, Alistair will never marry a warden who is not a Human Noble. He says the Ferelden will never accept a non-human (or mage) Queen. If hardened, you can be his mistress, however (whether or not he marries Anora).



You can, of course, not make Alistair King, keep him on as a love interest and just assume the two of you will marry one day. Marriage will never feature as a topic in game, though. And you'll still have to kill Loghain.

[sevalaricgirl]

KIlling Loghain is the only way to keep Alistair around but why on earth would you not kill Loghain, he's a traitor to his country and king, a liar, a conspirator with a murderer, and hires assassins. He doesn't deserve to live.

[HolyAvenger]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

KIlling Loghain is the only way to keep Alistair around but why on earth would you not kill Loghain, he's a traitor to his country and king, a liar, a conspirator with a murderer, and hires assassins. He doesn't deserve to live.

At the risk of turning this into another Loghain thread, there are plenty of reasons to keep him alive, regardless of the fact that Alistair can't deal with it and flies off his handle.

[Shinobu]

If you want Alistair to stay with you, Loghain must die. I feel it's better if the Warden kills him (that way it is "justice" and not revenge for Duncan's death. Also King Alistair and Anora can marry each other, which is a good thing for the realm).

As a CE Warden you can't become Alistair's queen, but you can:
1) Make Anora sole ruler and have Alistair stay a warden with you post-game, OR
2) Make Alistair king (with or without Anora) and become his mistress. (I favor Alistair with Anora because she is good for Ferelden and she will accept you as mistress as long as you're discreet about it. Alistair cannot duel Loghain or execute him if you want Anora to marry Alistair.)

Edit: I have made a music video of option 1 with written instructions for both options. Corrections are welcome.

Modifié par Shinobu, 09 février 2011 - 02:47 .

[ejoslin]

Shinobu wrote...

If you want Alistair to stay with you, Loghain must die. I feel it's better if the Warden kills him (that way it is "justice" and not revenge for Duncan's death. Also King Alistair and Anora can marry each other, which is a good thing for the realm).

As a CE Warden you can't become Alistair's queen, but you can:
1) Make Anora sole ruler and have Alistair stay a warden with you post-game, OR
2) Make Alistair king (with or without Anora) and become his mistress. (I favor Anora because she is good for Ferelden and she will accept you as mistress as long as you're discreet about it. Alistair cannot duel Loghain or execute him if you want Anora to marry Alistair.)

I have to admit, I would not want to be the "discreet" mistress.  That makes it seem, well, dirty.

[Shinobu]

ejoslin wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

If you want Alistair to stay with you, Loghain must die. I feel it's better if the Warden kills him (that way it is "justice" and not revenge for Duncan's death. Also King Alistair and Anora can marry each other, which is a good thing for the realm).

As a CE Warden you can't become Alistair's queen, but you can:
1) Make Anora sole ruler and have Alistair stay a warden with you post-game, OR
2) Make Alistair king (with or without Anora) and become his mistress. (I favor Anora because she is good for Ferelden and she will accept you as mistress as long as you're discreet about it. Alistair cannot duel Loghain or execute him if you want Anora to marry Alistair.)

I have to admit, I would not want to be the "discreet" mistress.  That makes it seem, well, dirty.

Yes, I am more comfortable with the Wardens together ending than the Mistress ending, but that's just me. First, the Warden helps Alistair escape the fate of becoming king (which he spends much of the game saying he doesn't want -- except at the Landsmeet when he should say it ). Second, the CE Warden can't do a very good job of raising the respectability of elves if she settles for being the other woman. ("Hey little elf boys and girls -- if you're very good and say your prayers and save all of Thedas from the darkspawn, the best you can hope for is to be the plaything of a shem king who won't bother to marry you! How's that for a role model?")<_<

[sevalaricgirl]

HolyAvenger wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

KIlling Loghain is the only way to keep Alistair around but why on earth would you not kill Loghain, he's a traitor to his country and king, a liar, a conspirator with a murderer, and hires assassins. He doesn't deserve to live.

At the risk of turning this into another Loghain thread, there are plenty of reasons to keep him alive, regardless of the fact that Alistair can't deal with it and flies off his handle.

There are, I didn't find any.  My warden didn't like being accused of killing the king when she was in the tower and then hearing it everywhere she went.

[errant_knight]

Me, I like to have Alistair kill Loghain. He's the one we're making king and I want to make it clear to the Landsmeet that he's not going to be anyone's puppet. Also, he feels the same about Loghain as my warden felt about Howe and I feel like he deserves the same chance to administer justice personally. My Cousland wouldn't have wanted anyone else killing Howe.



I never, ever marry him to Anora. If he's hardened, you get just as good an ending with him ruling alone, in my opinion. If he's in a relationship with my Cousland (and she isn't one to put herself aside for the sake of an heir--one was), they marry, otherwise, Alistair is a grown man and can find his own wife, one whom he'll certainly enjoy being married to more than he'd like being married to Anora. I couldn't possibly do that to my friend and/or lover.

[ddv.rsa]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

There are, I didn't find any.  My warden didn't like being accused of killing the king when she was in the tower and then hearing it everywhere she went.

It's a worse punishment to let Loghain live.

[Persephone]

HolyAvenger wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

KIlling Loghain is the only way to keep Alistair around but why on earth would you not kill Loghain, he's a traitor to his country and king, a liar, a conspirator with a murderer, and hires assassins. He doesn't deserve to live.

At the risk of turning this into another Loghain thread, there are plenty of reasons to keep him alive, regardless of the fact that Alistair can't deal with it and flies off his handle.

This. It's bloody condescending to go all "Why WOULD you?". There are many reasons. But bloodlust, revenge and personal gratification go a long way. Oh no, was that condescending too? Sure it was, but I'm completely fed up with being told that there are "no reasons not to klill him" and the reasons given make me go "Oh puleaaaaaaaaze!".

[Sabariel]

Just when you think the horse is dead it stirs feebly and the country folk gather 'round with their big sticks...

In response to the OP, Alistair will only marry you if you execute Loghain. I THINK you can't even hesitate about executing Loghain otherwise Alistair will be offended and not marry you. You also have to be a human noble otherwise your plans will go kapoot.

Modifié par Sabariel, 09 février 2011 - 12:00 .

[Persephone]

Sabariel wrote...

Just when you think the horse is dead it stirs feebly and the country folk gather 'round with their big sticks...

In response to the OP, Alistair will only marry you if you execute Loghain. I THINK you can't even hesitate about executing Loghain otherwise Alistair will be offended and not marry you. You also have to be a human noble otherwise your plans will go kapoot.

Haven't done it in a while but my last Queenie Cous Cous hesitated as far as saying "I can't....I can't do it." Alistair did it & they still got married. 

[Shinobu]

errant_knight wrote...

Me, I like to have Alistair kill Loghain. He's the one we're making king and I want to make it clear to the Landsmeet that he's not going to be anyone's puppet. Also, he feels the same about Loghain as my warden felt about Howe and I feel like he deserves the same chance to administer justice personally. My Cousland wouldn't have wanted anyone else killing Howe.

I never, ever marry him to Anora. If he's hardened, you get just as good an ending with him ruling alone, in my opinion. If he's in a relationship with my Cousland (and she isn't one to put herself aside for the sake of an heir--one was), they marry, otherwise, Alistair is a grown man and can find his own wife, one whom he'll certainly enjoy being married to more than he'd like being married to Anora. I couldn't possibly do that to my friend and/or lover.

Yes, but the OP wants to know how her CE can end up with Alistair. A wife Alistair chooses for himself might go all Isolde on him and make him give up his mistress, whereas Anora at least appears to agree to him keeping the Warden on the side. (Yes, she might change her mind later.)

[errant_knight]

Shinobu wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Me, I like to have Alistair kill Loghain. He's the one we're making king and I want to make it clear to the Landsmeet that he's not going to be anyone's puppet. Also, he feels the same about Loghain as my warden felt about Howe and I feel like he deserves the same chance to administer justice personally. My Cousland wouldn't have wanted anyone else killing Howe.

I never, ever marry him to Anora. If he's hardened, you get just as good an ending with him ruling alone, in my opinion. If he's in a relationship with my Cousland (and she isn't one to put herself aside for the sake of an heir--one was), they marry, otherwise, Alistair is a grown man and can find his own wife, one whom he'll certainly enjoy being married to more than he'd like being married to Anora. I couldn't possibly do that to my friend and/or lover.

Yes, but the OP wants to know how her CE can end up with Alistair. A wife Alistair chooses for himself might go all Isolde on him and make him give up his mistress, whereas Anora at least appears to agree to him keeping the Warden on the side. (Yes, she might change her mind later.)

Ah, I guess I didn't read back that far. Yeah, if she wants to be his mistress, Anora is probably the way to go, although that actually makes me feel pretty sorry for her. First one cheating husband, then a second. And they look alike. Very disturbing for her. But yeah, Alistair isn't a natural cheater at all, so it he was to marry a woman that he liked (which one assumes that he would), rather than one whom he didn't and who reminded him of her father, whom he loathed...I'm not sure how well that would work out in the long run. In that situation, Anora is probably the better choice.

[yuna66]

Okay, so...just to verify...

Alistair doesn't have to be 'hardened' for you to marry him right?

What are the specifics?

[yuna66]

Nvm, just saw. Thanks .

[kdarnell]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

KIlling Loghain is the only way to keep Alistair around but why on earth would you not kill Loghain, he's a traitor to his country and king, a liar, a conspirator with a murderer, and hires assassins. He doesn't deserve to live.

You forgot Slaver. That was the major deal breaker for me. I can almost live with the regicide and the conspiricies because, come on, the man is seriously nutso. But the selling of people, uh uh.

[Retrogue]

HolyAvenger wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

KIlling Loghain is the only way to keep Alistair around but why on earth would you not kill Loghain, he's a traitor to his country and king, a liar, a conspirator with a murderer, and hires assassins. He doesn't deserve to live.

At the risk of turning this into another Loghain thread, there are plenty of reasons to keep him alive, regardless of the fact that Alistair can't deal with it and flies off his handle.

I ADORE Alistair up until this point in the game. He defies the orders of a senior Grey Warden and throws a hissy fit at the Landsmeet. I really wish there was a way to have him put aside his own personal grudge for a moment and see that to have Loghain undergo the Joining ritual is not just 'letting him off the hook'. On that note, the Landsmeet would have been high time for Riordan to mention the part where a Warden has to die in order to slay the archdemon. Then Alistair would have certainly agreed to let Loghain on board. And my Warden wouldn't have to choose between letting Alistair bonk Morrignan or risk having one of them die.

Modifié par Retrogue, 03 mai 2011 - 04:06 .

[Chigusa]

 About Alistair and marriage...I noticed a weird thing today..
At the Landsmeet, with my elven mage I had the chance to suggest "Alistair will be king and I'll rule by his side".
I didn't pick that, as I didn't want to replay the whole Landsmeet (my plan is to have my PC and Alistair together in the end)but I'm curious..What would have happened? Would my mage still be dumped? What would,say, Eamon have answered? Or Anora?

Guess I'll try then, just to see

[GSSAGE7]

I suspect that is one of those persuades that has a 100% chance of failure in that case.

[Addai]

Chigusa wrote...

 About Alistair and marriage...I noticed a weird thing today..
At the Landsmeet, with my elven mage I had the chance to suggest "Alistair will be king and I'll rule by his side".
I didn't pick that, as I didn't want to replay the whole Landsmeet (my plan is to have my PC and Alistair together in the end)but I'm curious..What would have happened? Would my mage still be dumped? What would,say, Eamon have answered? Or Anora?

Guess I'll try then, just to see

Alistair tells you it's a no go, that the LM will barely accept him as a bastard, etc.  Yeah, you have to get the bad news from big A.