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[AkiKishi]

Jack Package wrote...
The situation of Ash/Kaidan is the same as with Tali on Freedom's progress! There she also doesn't go with you, even though she has the option. She also does not ask for your help.
She only joins you after she has retrieved all her data on Heastrom and thus has finished the mission.

Ash/Kaidan are in the middle of a mission. Ofc it is far more complex and important than Tali's, being a top secret Alliance mission, and so it takes much longer. So while Tali ends her mission during the events of ME 2 Ash/Kaidan are still occupied.

So please do not apply false comparisons and accuse Ash/Kaidan of absurd things.

Tali comes around A/K don't really not seeing your point. Check her logs on Haestrom. "I wish Shepard were here".
That's just your theory. You don't know what their mission is any more than I do , because they never tell you what it is. They don't trust you enough to share it.

Did they ask for help ? No Did they join you No ? Simple

[jbblue05]

I was a total jerk to Tali in ME1 and 2.
I told her I don't want you on my ship.
told her Geth rule and Quarians suck.
Told her stop being a crybaby and I don't trust you
Refused to give her Geth Incursion data
Told her to F off on Freedom's Progress
Gave Veetor to Cerberus.
Exposed her father as a traitor
Pushed her people to war and now they are splitting apart

And Tali still wants to fight at my side

Its safe to say Tali is obsessed with Shepard and I will facepalm if she wants to join me in ME3

Modifié par jbblue05, 09 février 2011 - 04:05 .

[AkiKishi]

Brodyaha wrote...

Yes, they have different personalities and powers, and that would definitely need to be accounted for in DLC.  Garrus DLC would be even more selective because he can die, and as far as we know, there's no turian who replaces him.

 

One of my key objections right there.

I'm not asking for a Garrus DLC honestly don't see a reason for one. Happy to change my mind though.

[Biotic_Warlock]

jbblue05 wrote...

I was a total jerk to Tali in ME1 and 2.
I told her I don't want you on my ship.
told her Geth rule and Quarians suck.
Told her stop being a crybaby and I don't trust you
Refused to give her Geth Incursion data
Told her to F off on Freedom's Progress
Gave Veetor to Cerberus.
Exposed her father as a traitor
Pushed her people to war and now they are splitting apart

And Tali still wants to fight at my side

Its safe to say Tali is obsessed with Shepard and I will facepalm if she wants to join me in ME3

You really don't like quarians, do you?
What did you do the the quarian vs volus thing in the citadel... and the quarian slave thing in ilium.

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 09 février 2011 - 04:07 .

[FireEye]

BobSmith101 wrote...

FireEye wrote...Mass Effect: Dirge of Cerberus?

Why does that title sound very familiar?

Spin-off game of a popular RPG franchise encompassing the TPS adventures of the fan favorite?

... or do you mean, the joke's already been made somewhere and I missed it?  XD

BobSmith101 wrote...

The only bridging DLC I want is one that shows what happens to Earth from the persepective of someone there who may later crop up as a squadmate. If there was only either Ashley or Kaidan I'd nominate them for the role, but too many variables so it would be easier to go for someone new. Maybe the guy in Big Ben he looks pretty useful.

... how would using Kaidan and Ashley be much different an execution than, say... Resident Evil, where you have the two main characters with different skillsets and thus different methods of advancing + different voice sets and conversations through the same adventure?

Because really the Variables are as follows: Kaidan, Ashley, Romance Yes, Romance No.  That's... Kaidan Platonic, Kaidan Romance, Ashley Platonic, Ashley Romance.  Four total.  Not a lot considering all the other Variables Mass Effect likes to brag about.

[Slayer299]

FireEye wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

I vote NO Garrus DLC, this is supposed to be Shepard's story. I want DLC relevant to ME3 not playing as someone else. Spinoffs *after* ME3 is fine.

Mass Effect: Dirge of Cerberus?

LOL - sounds good

[Zing Freelancer]

I think Tali felt partially guilty about all the dead Quarian soldiers on heastrom. She wished Shepard was there, because she knew you could get the job done without such huge amount of casualties.

She saw her chance to relief some stress of being a leader and being expected great things from by joining with you on Heastrom. Now she could easily live up to her expectations?



As for Garrus DLC / expansion or whatever. As long as it is more Mass Effect, I am all up for it. I dont know why so many people complain about "Having a blank character to fill in yourself" because Shepard is not a "voiceless, faceless and emotionless" character himself.

Modifié par Zing Freelancer, 09 février 2011 - 04:15 .

[AkiKishi]

FireEye wrote...


Why does that title sound very familiar?



... how would using Kaidan and Ashley be much different an execution than, say... Resident Evil, where you have the two main characters with different skillsets and thus different methods of advancing + different voice sets and conversations through the same adventure?

Because really the Variables are as follows: Kaidan, Ashley, Romance Yes, Romance No.  That's... Kaidan Platonic, Kaidan Romance, Ashley Platonic, Ashley Romance.  Four total.  Not a lot considering all the other Variables Mass Effect likes to brag about.

I remember , thanks.


Lets say the DLC is 90 minutes, thats' about normal for DLC. In my game Ashley is alive I don't have a save with Kaiden. First off splitting between 2 characters makes it by necessity shorter . And I have "half" of a DLC that I can't use without going through ME again.

I'm sure I said this somewhere earlier but DLC should not be a "fanpack". Shadowbroker good, advanced the story in a very meaningful way and added some useful features. Stuff like Overlord better.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 09 février 2011 - 04:20 .

[Chignon]

BobSmith101 wrote...

I'm sure I said this somewhere earlier but DLC should not be a "fanpack". Shadowbroker good, advanced the story in a very meaningful way and added some useful features. Stuff like Overlord better.

And as I asked before: why should these two things be mutually exclusive?

A DLC with Ash and Kaidan could advance and develop the storyline just fine.

[jbblue05]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

I was a total jerk to Tali in ME1 and 2.
I told her I don't want you on my ship.
told her Geth rule and Quarians suck.
Told her stop being a crybaby and I don't trust you
Refused to give her Geth Incursion data
Told her to F off on Freedom's Progress
Gave Veetor to Cerberus.
Exposed her father as a traitor
Pushed her people to war and now they are splitting apart

And Tali still wants to fight at my side

Its safe to say Tali is obsessed with Shepard and I will facepalm if she wants to join me in ME3

You really don't like quarians, do you?
What did you do the the quarian vs volus thing in the citadel... and the quarian slave thing in ilium.

I don't hate some Quarians I think Dano Xen and Kal Reeger are badass but I find Tali extremely annoying for the reasons in my last post.

I ignore the Quarian and Volus and I convinced the Slave Broker to let the Quarian Slave go, Synethic Insights has good reasons not to hire Quarians

[Jack Package]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Jack Package wrote...
The situation of Ash/Kaidan is the same as with Tali on Freedom's progress! There she also doesn't go with you, even though she has the option. She also does not ask for your help.
She only joins you after she has retrieved all her data on Heastrom and thus has finished the mission.

Ash/Kaidan are in the middle of a mission. Ofc it is far more complex and important than Tali's, being a top secret Alliance mission, and so it takes much longer. So while Tali ends her mission during the events of ME 2 Ash/Kaidan are still occupied.

So please do not apply false comparisons and accuse Ash/Kaidan of absurd things.

Tali comes around A/K don't really not seeing your point. Check her logs on Haestrom. "I wish Shepard were here".
That's just your theory. You don't know what their mission is any more than I do , because they never tell you what it is. They don't trust you enough to share it.

Did they ask for help ? No Did they join you No ? Simple

"Tali comes around A/K don't really not seeing your point. "   - What?? Get your syntax straight.

Anderson says that the VS is on a mission, and he tells you that they were not allowed to tell Shepard because he ordered it so. He says himself that this is classified.
No theory... facts.

Alliance does not trust Shepard. And I am sorry, but revealing top secret mission infos to a Cerberus operative would be high treason.

"Did they ask for help ? No Did they join you No ? Simple "

The same goes for Tali. She did not ask for help, and she did not join you on Freedom's Progress. Simple.

What she tells in her logs does not change ANYTHING about the fact that she did
n't join you.
Also it is the same that Ash tells in her e-Mail, she regrets as well that she can't be with Shepard.

Modifié par Jack Package, 09 février 2011 - 04:32 .

[AkiKishi]

Chignon wrote...

And as I asked before: why should these two things be mutually exclusive?

A DLC with Ash and Kaidan could advance and develop the storyline just fine.

I notice you missed the other part about it having to be split between two characters..

In what direction ? Liara as SB works whether you are P/R whether you romanced her or not with subtle differences.

K/A DLC works great for people who want to be with the Alliance or people who have them as an LI and can't go.

Anyone who has only played ME2 , there is not really a lot there for them for example.

[Shadow of Sparta]

no.why play as another character?as much as i think garrus is badass,i wouldn't want to play as him or any of the other squadmates.it seems so off in the ME universe.i'd rather just do stuff like him.

[jlb524]

Please don't waste time on this, BW.

[FireEye]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lets say the DLC is 90 minutes, thats' about normal for DLC. In my game Ashley is alive I don't have a save with Kaiden. First off splitting between 2 characters makes it by necessity shorter . And I have "half" of a DLC that I can't use without going through ME again.

I'm sure I said this somewhere earlier but DLC should not be a "fanpack". Shadowbroker good, advanced the story in a very meaningful way and added some useful features. Stuff like Overlord better.

Why would it have to be shorter by necessity?  It could be mostly the same, with the exception of Henchman, voice tracks, and combat tactics you might need in the same fights.  It'd be roughly the same as bringing Kasumi and Jacob to the Derelict Reaper instead of Zaeed and Tali.

Ashley and Kaidan could easily be as integral to a story-heavy DLC as Liara was to Shadowbroker.  Particularly if it's along the lines of a Rejoin the Alliance DLC, since, you know, we're supposedly rejoining the Alliance come ME3 or whatever.

... and it occurs that I don't know what any of this has to do with a Garrus campaign DLC.  Sorry, OP!

[AkiKishi]

Jack Package wrote...

"Tali comes around A/K don't really not seeing your point. "   - What?? Get your syntax straight.

Anderson says that the VS is on a mission, and he tells you that they were not allowed to tell Shepard because he ordered it so. He says himself that this is classified.
No theory... facts.

Alliance does not trust Shepard. And I am sorry, but revealing top secret mission infos to a Cerberus operative would be high treason.

The same goes for Tali. She did not ask for help, and she did not join you on Freedom's Progress. Simple.

What she tells in her logs does not change ANYTHING about the fact that she did
n't join you.
Also it is the same that Ash tells in her e-Mail, she regrets as well that she can't be with Shepard.

Fine, but you not really disproving what I said that they chose the Alliance over Shepard are you ?

Really? I'm sure I recall seeing Tali on the ship, don't recall seeing A/K though...

[AkiKishi]

FireEye wrote...

Why would it have to be shorter by necessity?  It could be mostly the same, with the exception of Henchman, voice tracks, and combat tactics you might need in the same fights.  It'd be roughly the same as bringing Kasumi and Jacob to the Derelict Reaper instead of Zaeed and Tali.

Ashley and Kaidan could easily be as integral to a story-heavy DLC as Liara was to Shadowbroker.  Particularly if it's along the lines of a Rejoin the Alliance DLC, since, you know, we're supposedly rejoining the Alliance come ME3 or whatever.

... and it occurs that I don't know what any of this has to do with a Garrus campaign DLC.  Sorry, OP!

Well if you were happy with the "clone" on Horizon I guess it would not matter that much. But if you want them treated differently then that will take extra work.

I already adressed that in the other post.

[Chignon]

BobSmith101 wrote...

I notice you missed the other part about it having to be split between two characters..

In what direction ? Liara as SB works whether you are P/R whether you romanced her or not with subtle differences.

K/A DLC works great for people who want to be with the Alliance or people who have them as an LI and can't go.

Anyone who has only played ME2 , there is not really a lot there for them for example.

Split characters? Why? They'd only have to have different dialogue according to their established characters. I do not see a problem with that, to be honest.

There could be several possibilities I already listed in one of my earlier posts: addressing the Cerberus/Alliance issue, Anderson having information about the Reapers, and so on.

Oh, so now we are only going by players who have not played ME1 and not whether a DLC with Ash and Kaidan would develop the storyline? 
Mass Effect is supposed to be a trilogy. If those who have only played ME2 do not have any interest in either the plot and development this DLC could offer or the characters, they simply do not need to buy it. DLC is optional content, after all.

[ShamieGTX]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

I'd rather play a character, that is not insanely boring.
(hint: anyone but Garrus)

So Jacob is better than Garrus? Really? REALLY?

[Jack Package]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Jack Package wrote...

"Tali comes around A/K don't really not seeing your point. "   - What?? Get your syntax straight.

Anderson says that the VS is on a mission, and he tells you that they were not allowed to tell Shepard because he ordered it so. He says himself that this is classified.
No theory... facts.

Alliance does not trust Shepard. And I am sorry, but revealing top secret mission infos to a Cerberus operative would be high treason.

The same goes for Tali. She did not ask for help, and she did not join you on Freedom's Progress. Simple.

What she tells in her logs does not change ANYTHING about the fact that she did
n't join you.
Also it is the same that Ash tells in her e-Mail, she regrets as well that she can't be with Shepard.

Fine, but you not really disproving what I said that they chose the Alliance over Shepard are you ?

Really? I'm sure I recall seeing Tali on the ship, don't recall seeing A/K though...

Do you even read my posts? Or,... do you understand them?


What have I told you?

Tali = finished her mission on Heastrom + not part of any strongly regulated army -> can join Shepard

Ash/Kaidan = did NOT finish their mission + bound to strict Alliance regulations -> can not join Shepard

And that's why you see no Ash/Kaidan on your ship.

[FireEye]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Well if you were happy with the "clone" on Horizon I guess it would not matter that much. But if you want them treated differently then that will take extra work.

I already adressed that in the other post.

In combat, I don't see it mattering much.

And two separate, Character Defined "reunite with Kaidan/Ashley on the Normandy" scenes like Liara had wouldn't take that much more resources, either. 

[AkiKishi]

Chignon wrote...

Split characters? Why? They'd only have to have different dialogue according to their established characters. I do not see a problem with that, to be honest.

There could be several possibilities I already listed in one of my earlier posts: addressing the Cerberus/Alliance issue, Anderson having information about the Reapers, and so on.

Oh, so now we are only going by players who have not played ME1 and not whether a DLC with Ash and Kaidan would develop the storyline? 
Mass Effect is supposed to be a trilogy. If those who have only played ME2 do not have any interest in either the plot and development this DLC could offer or the characters, they simply do not need to buy it. DLC is optional content, after all.

Requires 2 voice actors, requires scenes for each character.

DLC should encompass the widest possible audience you think Bioware want to make DLC and people not buy it ? 

As Fireeye said though way off the original topic so unless another A/K thread pops up I'll leave it at that.

[Chignon]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Requires 2 voice actors, requires scenes for each character.

DLC should encompass the widest possible audience you think Bioware want to make DLC and people not buy it ? 

As Fireeye said though way off the original topic so unless another A/K thread pops up I'll leave it at that.

I fail to see the issue: LotSB for instance had several different VAs (Feron, Liara, Tela Vasir, the Shadow Broker, Marianna and so on).

And as evidenced by over 800 members in the Ash and Kaidan DLC support group, BioWare would "encompass a wide audience."

Modifié par Chignon, 09 février 2011 - 04:49 .