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[AlphaJarmel]

Got another update:

Hi - Sorry this e-mail slipped thru the cracks - There is no border around the print, just a full image. I did talk to another retailer friend of mine and he said he was only able to get one as well so it looks like those that supported the Mass Effect Redemption comic series were the only ones that got one and apparently, they only would have received one, if any. This leads me to believe that probably less than a couple hundred were produced, or less. Unfortuntately, no one seems to know but I will keep trying to find out and if I find anything new, I will let you know. Thanks again for your business and have a great week!

[vometia]

Thanks for passing on the information! I'm very impressed that they're going to so much effort to find out about it.

[kirkonacid]

I talked to my friend today and here's what she told me regarding "real" lithographs. Traditional ("real") lithographs are made by drawing the reverse image onto a stone or metal plate, coating said plate with a silicon-chemical mixture, washing the plate to restore the image, and then finally inking and printing the image.

The more popular and common lithographs we see are created digitally. I found the details of this process on wikipedia. This way, no matter how many copies are made, the image will remain unchanged (with the traditional plates, the image fades with use). So it seems that all of these modern lithographs, could be correctly labeled as lithographs. It all depends on how the intial artwork was created.

The article also states that most mass printed media (maps, books, posteers, packaging, ect.) is a form of lithography as well. That strikes me a very weird.

Basically, who the **** knows what is lithographic and not.

Modifié par crusadeonacid, 17 février 2011 - 06:11 .

[AlphaJarmel]

Has anyone had their Liara lithograph ship from Midtown yet?

[vometia]

crusadeonacid wrote...

Basically, who the **** knows what is lithographic and not.

Not me, that's for sure.   I may still appropriate your explanation for the OP, though.

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Has anyone had their Liara lithograph ship from Midtown yet?

Shipped, but hasn't arrived: I don't expect to see it for at least another week.  And that's assuming it doesn't get lost, torn, broken, trod on, eaten etc etc.

[kirkonacid]

vometia wrote...

crusadeonacid wrote...

Basically, who the **** knows what is lithographic and not.

Not me, that's for sure.   I may still appropriate your explanation for the OP, though.

I'm just going to take their word at it and brag about my awesome lithograph collection. Art nerds be ****ed.

[vometia]

crusadeonacid wrote...

I'm just going to take their word at it and brag about my awesome lithograph collection. Art nerds be ****ed.

I may also steal that for the summary.

Well I figured I'd set myself up as a guinea-pig and grab a few of the unknowns.  Two of which arrived today, which are the Bioshock "lithographs".  Yeah, I've given that the """reapers""" treatment since they're probably the most unconvincing examples I've seen to date: they are printed on heavy paper, but it seems a bit low-quality compared to the glossy sheets we see from the Bioware Store, and holding it up to the light both the paper and ink are much more translucent than I'd have expected.  Overall they have the look, feel and smell of a comic from about 30 years back; it's possible it was mechanically printed rather than just shoved through a laser printer which is perhaps what qualifies as a lithograph these days, but given the overall quality and no indication of authenticity or numbering, I feel a little disappointed.  What's interesting is that the Bioshock "prints" listed in the OP (as opposed to those indicated to be lithographs) give the impression of being far higher quality, so I'd say these are for serious collectors only, by which I mean the people who have to have everything.

Edit: just remembered you also mentioned the Steinman lithograph.  What's your overall impression of it?  Do you think my assessment is a bit harsh or would you tend to agree?  (Serious question, since I can sometimes be a bit wide of the mark!)

Modifié par vometia, 18 février 2011 - 01:48 .

[stardazzled]

on a quick note:
this is from an email I sent to the original BioWare Store two years ago. I was asking about the creation process of 'Illium' because the creation determines the local tax rate (art or not, printed mass media product or not).

[...] I believe the paper is fed through a 6 roll press. As the paper passes through each plate, a new layer of ink is pressed on. [...]

This may have changed, but I believe not because 'Illium' doesn't feel any differently than later BWS lithographs.

So it's basically what Wikipedia says about lithographies and it's also what I did in school: the kids painted pressed leaves (leafes?) and then pressed them onto a piece of paper - this was repeated several times in several colours. In the end, various layers in different colours - and sometimes in different places - on the same sheet existed and made up a final image.

Modifié par stardazzled, 18 février 2011 - 07:27 .

[vometia]

stardazzled wrote...

on a quick note:
this is from an email I sent to the original BioWare Store two years ago. I was asking about the creation process of 'Illium' because the creation determines the local tax rate (art or not, printed mass media product or not).

[...] I believe the paper is fed through a 6 roll press. As the paper passes through each plate, a new layer of ink is pressed on. [...]

This may have changed, but I believe not because 'Illium' doesn't feel any differently than later BWS lithographs.

So it's basically what Wikipedia says about lithographies and it's also what I did in school: the kids painted pressed leaves (leafes?) and then pressed them onto a piece of paper - this was repeated several times in several colours. In the end, various layers in different colours - and sometimes in different places - on the same sheet existed and made up a final image.

That makes sense: the overall impression of the Bioware lithographs is one of thickly layered inks, as opposed to the prints I was talking about: the latter are fairly clearly pixelated as a result (albeit of the older mechanical type) which results in a duller and "thinner" image (by which I mean less saturated rather than physically thinner, though that's probably also the case).

Would you mind terribly forwarding me the message for inclusion in the OP?  Part of me thinks I should really get around to asking them myself since I've mentioned doing so at least three times, but since the information's already out there I figure perhaps I should use it if it's available for general use...

[BeanieBat]

I missed the liara litho too =[ I have now subscribed so hopefully that won't happen again!

[kirkonacid]

vometia wrote...

crusadeonacid wrote...

I'm just going to take their word at it and brag about my awesome lithograph collection. Art nerds be ****ed.

I may also steal that for the summary.

Well I figured I'd set myself up as a guinea-pig and grab a few of the unknowns.  Two of which arrived today, which are the Bioshock "lithographs".  Yeah, I've given that the """reapers""" treatment since they're probably the most unconvincing examples I've seen to date: they are printed on heavy paper, but it seems a bit low-quality compared to the glossy sheets we see from the Bioware Store, and holding it up to the light both the paper and ink are much more translucent than I'd have expected.  Overall they have the look, feel and smell of a comic from about 30 years back; it's possible it was mechanically printed rather than just shoved through a laser printer which is perhaps what qualifies as a lithograph these days, but given the overall quality and no indication of authenticity or numbering, I feel a little disappointed.  What's interesting is that the Bioshock "prints" listed in the OP (as opposed to those indicated to be lithographs) give the impression of being far higher quality, so I'd say these are for serious collectors only, by which I mean the people who have to have everything.

Edit: just remembered you also mentioned the Steinman lithograph.  What's your overall impression of it?  Do you think my assessment is a bit harsh or would you tend to agree?  (Serious question, since I can sometimes be a bit wide of the mark!)

I'd have to agree with you. I'd make the same statements aobut the Steinman lithograph. Even dissapointed as far as lithograph standards go, I had to have it. I hope it freaks everyoen out when I finally frame and hang it up.

[NamiraWilhelm]

Just found out a Fallout litho was released with the collectors edition of FONV, this the best link i could find http://forbiddenplan...raph-scdd-2010/

[stardazzled]

I'd like to add - since you also have prints on the list - that Nippon Ichi Software (NIS) America offers giclées. This is a special kind of print.

I don't own a giclée thus I don't know how they actually look like concerning depth and colours. Wiki explains giclées here.

(NIS is a developer and publisher of console games, mainly J-RPG or J-SRPG, so people who are only interested in Western style games probably are not attracted by the art. ^.^ )

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Neither Fallout nor Redemption's Liara fit me... so: phew. Otherwise I'd have gone mad.

Modifié par stardazzled, 20 février 2011 - 12:11 .

[kirkonacid]

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

Just found out a Fallout litho was released with the collectors edition of FONV, this the best link i could find http://forbiddenplan...raph-scdd-2010/

I got the collector's edition, but no litho. It's worth mentioning that that is the cover of the graphic novel the collector's edition came with.

[vometia]

Thanks for the updates, everyone - I'll try to get the OP updated tomorrow.

[NamiraWilhelm]

Okay then that clarifies it. It was part of a gift being given out along with the CE, in some cases anyway. Sure google will turn up more. And yes its to do with the graphic novel All Roads

[kirkonacid]

Just a heads up, but everything in the Take2 store is 50% off.That means the lithos are only $10.

[vometia]

crusadeonacid wrote...

Just a heads up, but everything in the Take2 store is 50% off.That means the lithos are only $10.

Bah, typical of my excellent timing!  Maybe I should buy stuff from a few other places to provoke sales there, too.

Nadia73 wrote...

thanks for that post!

i checked out the website but it seems like it took 10 minutes for each page to load! and nevermind hitting the back button..damn! took too long for me to load so i left

It really is hideously slow.  If you decide to go for the lithographs there, do bear in mind what we were talking about a few posts back: they're very different to the Bioware Store's idea of what a lithograph looks like and aren't nice glossy numbered editions like we've come to expect.  Although we now have a couple of good explanations, ultimately I can only go on what a store says is a lithograph, but I think I'll add a note to that effect to the OP when I update it a bit later on.

[vometia]

BeanieBat wrote...

I missed the liara litho too =[ I have now subscribed so hopefully that won't happen again!

Bummer!  I think that this lithograph-collecting malarky is addictive, though: it seems the more I have, the more pain I feel about those I missed!

Nadia73 wrote...

OMGGGGGGGGGGGG

the kirkwall gate litho is amazing!!!! i just got it today 453/500 so if you're thinking of ordering, get it soon before they are GONE!!!

Also Kirkwall keep is beautiful too but the gate one is SOOO huge- I can't believe it!

I must admit it was an eye-opener when it first arrived: seeing its size in figures is one thing, having this enormous great print in front of you is quite another!  The jpegs really don't do it justice.  It was a menace to frame, though!

crusadeonacid wrote...

I'd have to agree with you. I'd make the same statements aobut the Steinman lithograph. Even dissapointed as far as lithograph standards go, I had to have it. I hope it freaks everyoen out when I finally frame and hang it up.

I was just idly wondering if the effect may perhaps be deliberate: I mean to aim for something matt and somewhat "faded" as a deliberate retro type effect.  Looking at it closely it still seems to be a physical print, which is why I mentioned it being like old comics, but the method introduces a lot of whiteness to the image causing it to look desaturated.

Of course that might just be wishful thinking and the real reason could be that they were a bunch of skinflints who didn't want it done properly!  Though the style does match the rolled-up posters in the CE box.

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

Just found out a Fallout litho was released with the collectors edition of FONV, this the best link i could find http://forbiddenplan...raph-scdd-2010/

It also wasn't in my CE, though that might just be the UK copy; I have seen the same picture elsewhere though, probably the same cover crusadeonacid mentioned earlier.  Whatever its source, I still want one: it's rare and therefore desirable! The one I inadvertently found on Ebay was "only" $20, so I won't feel too put out if it's really just a poster.

stardazzled wrote...

I'd like to add - since you also have prints on the list - that Nippon Ichi Software (NIS) America offers giclées. This is a special kind of print.

I don't own a giclée thus I don't know how they actually look like concerning depth and colours. Wiki explains giclées here.

(NIS is a developer and publisher of console games, mainly J-RPG or J-SRPG, so people who are only interested in Western style games probably are not attracted by the art. ^.^ )

I don't see any reason they shouldn't be included, though at some point I suspect I may need to change the title to say something likes "games art" rather than "lithographs"!  I suspect most of us are interested in good quality prints regardless of their designation anyway.

When I first read about these things I was a little cynical, suspecting it may be a marketing gimmick, but the use of archival papers and fade-resistant inks does set them apart from regular inkjet prints.

stardazzled wrote...

Neither Fallout nor Redemption's Liara fit me... so: phew. Otherwise I'd have gone mad.

Would it help if those of us who snagged copies gloated about it?

crusadeonacid wrote...

I got the collector's edition, but no litho. It's worth mentioning that that is the cover of the graphic novel the collector's edition came with.

Sounds like a few places are playing rather fast and loose with what's really a lithograph, probably to make them saleable.  Well I still want one anyway!  I've marked it as a poster, though.

[AlphaJarmel]

The giclee is for next month. I spent a fortune alone this month in regards to framing. God now I need to figure out where I'm going to put the pieces along with picking up some sort of hanging system.

[vometia]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

The giclee is for next month. I spent a fortune alone this month in regards to framing. God now I need to figure out where I'm going to put the pieces along with picking up some sort of hanging system.

I'm just glad I'm not into Japanese games otherwise I'd bankrupt myself at $300 apiece.  Ouch!  As it is I'm facing a similar conundrum in terms of where I'm going to hang my burgeoning collection of lithographs once they're framed.

Anyhow, after a bit of a typo frenzy I've added the giclées to the OP; I think I've found and corrected my numerous errors, but if anybody spots one, let me know!  Also, I think I've credited everyone who's helped, but if I've missed anyone off please feel free to harangue me until I add you.

[kirkonacid]

vometia wrote...
Bah, typical of my excellent timing!  Maybe I should buy stuff from a few other places to provoke sales there, too.

Please do!

vometia wrote...
I was just idly wondering if the effect may perhaps be
deliberate: I mean to aim for something matt and somewhat "faded" as a
deliberate retro type effect.  Looking at it closely it still seems to
be a physical print, which is why I mentioned it being like old comics,
but the method introduces a lot of whiteness to the image causing it to
look desaturated.

Of course that might just be wishful thinking
and the real reason could be that they were a bunch of skinflints who
didn't want it done properly!  Though the style does match the rolled-up
posters in the CE box.

That is a good point. I didn't even think to check those out. I wish they would do some more posters from Bioshock 2, or even larger ones of those included in the CE. Anyways, let's just pretend they're supposed to look like that.

Modifié par crusadeonacid, 20 février 2011 - 03:46 .

[vometia]

Various updates, mainly just trying to make the formatting clearer and a few additional artists added.

Also thought I'd mention a couple of unofficial prints for the Liara and Tali obsessives; they're marked as "limited edition", though they're (as far as I can see) just reasonably nicely printed and framed screenshots, though the "composition" and centring could be somewhat better IMHO.  But perhaps not such a bad choice for someone who absolutely must have something to hang on their wall!