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Another batch of "not quite lithographs" today!  Although I've made it a point to not typically include posters, I've made an exception for rarities and those that are printed on heavy, glossy paper since the latter tend to be the next best thing (and are usually a lot cheaper!)

I've updated the OP with the following:


   Dota 2
Morphling, 20×36" 100lb gloss book stock, unsigned & unlimited
Lina, 20×36" 100lb gloss book stock, unsigned & unlimited
Drowranger, 20×36" 100lb gloss book stock, unsigned & unlimited
Bloodseeker, 20×36" 100lb gloss book stock, unsigned & unlimited

Note: "Morphling", "Lina", "Drowranger" and "Bloodseeker" posters also available as the Launch Banners Poster Kit.

   Left 4 Dead
The Sacrifice, 18×24" 100lb gloss book stock, unsigned & unlimited


   Left 4 Dead 2
Swamp Study, 36×24" 100lb gloss, unsigned & unlimited
Urban Sprawl, 36×24" 100lb gloss, unsigned & unlimited

Note: "Swamp Study" and "Urban Sprawl" posters also available as the Concept Poster Kit.


   Team Fortress 2
1850s Team Poster, 24×18" 100lb gloss book stock, unsigned & unlimited
Victory, 18¼×24" 100lb gloss book stock, unsigned & unlimited

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hey thanks for posting this ^^^ list, vometia!!! :D



I just went and bought all the kits since they're real cheap and I LOVE Left 4 Dead! The only game I wasn't familiar with is that DOTA 2 game...the posters are very cool though.



I can post a review about the items when I get them if anyone is interested.

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Nadia73 wrote...

I can post a review about the items when I get them if anyone is interested.

I think we'd be interested to hear!  I've also ordered some of them too, so I'll be particularly interested to hear what you have to say.  Do bear in mind that this batch of prints are not lithographs, but in my experience of such things they tend to look almost as good.

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I'd definately be interested in what the Left4Dead ones are like. I can't decide whether to get them or not...

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vometia wrote...

Nadia73 wrote...

I can post a review about the items when I get them if anyone is interested.

I think we'd be interested to hear!  I've also ordered some of them too, so I'll be particularly interested to hear what you have to say.  Do bear in mind that this batch of prints are not lithographs, but in my experience of such things they tend to look almost as good.


yes i got all of the posters and the concept art two pack, which looks very cool!!!

plus i got some other goodies too.. might as well- free shipping!!! :D

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Huh, I missed some of the posters: only realised it when I collated my list and spotted the enormous number of errors and typos I'd managed to introduce into it!  Oh well, I guess the delivery guy needs more parcels so he can visit us every day. :lol:

Just noticed one of the Dead Space 2 lithos sold out, the Ishimura.  Of course that's instantly become the most desirable one and I regret not ordering it now!

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vometia wrote...

Just noticed one of the Dead Space 2 lithos sold out, the Ishimura.  Of course that's instantly become the most desirable one and I regret not ordering it now!


Really??

I got all of the beginning lithos in their 'gift pack' thing they offered- think it was about $124 or so, saving you like $25 I think.

I was beginning to think people weren't that into Dead Space since they weren't selling out! At least now we know it's hit 'popular' now since even the lithos sold out  :wub:

And I hate feeling that same regret, that's why I buy everything up when I see it now. Too may times I've said "oh, I'll get it later" then forget or something else goes on then next thing you know- sold out!!  :mellow:

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Btw, there are Ishimura lithos on Ebay.. for about $70 or you could make an offer of less, seeing as how they didn't sell.

Another good investment would be that rig backpack Visceral is offering- limited quantities plus you get all sorts of goodies with it.

I'm actually mostly a collector of everything else video game-y and I've just been newly introduced to lithos by a lucky friend who was able to snap up quite a few of the ME 2 ones. i wish i'd been around for them! the lithos are just beautiful and I'm so glad my friend kept bugging me to buy one!

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I've done the "I'll get it later" thing so many times now, but I still haven't really learnt my lesson.  DS2 I'm slightly ambivalent about since it's a shooter: not from any sort of snobbery (actually I love Bioshock and HL2 for example) but mostly because I'm completely useless at shooters so I've never given myself a chance to get into it.  So do I order the lithographs now so they don't sell out and risk getting a bunch of stuff that doesn't mean a lot to me; or do I eventually play through it only to discover the best stuff has long since sold out...?  Decisions, decisions...

I think at the very least I should wait for my outstanding orders to turn up, as well as the actual games themselves: March will be an expensive month for gaming, not least because I've already blown this month's budget last month. :lol:

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vometia wrote...

  So do I order the lithographs now so they don't sell out and risk getting a bunch of stuff that doesn't mean a lot to me; or do I eventually play through it only to discover the best stuff has long since sold out...?  Decisions, decisions...

I think at the very least I should wait for my outstanding orders to turn up, as well as the actual games themselves: March will be an expensive month for gaming, not least because I've already blown this month's budget last month. :lol:


very true.... I absolutely love Dead Space 2 and that's why I'm buying up all the lithos to begin with. Of course, having something that's out of print and worth at least a car payment doesn't suck either. :lol:

I'm a total FPS kinda girl.. I started out on them and it just continued through the years. Since being introduced to the RPGs (I played Fable before and never thought of it as an RPG but loved it) of Dragon Age and Mass Effect, I cannot believe I went all those years without playing them! Being able to build a character and decide their fate = priceless.

Then again, we all already know that, that's why we're here. :wizard:


So yes- I hear you about March being expensive... I've already gone way over budget with DA II goodiesand others but.... who needs to eat anyways?   :lol::lol:

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There seems to be some confusion regarding lithography. As a professional printer I thought I could do some explaining.B)

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on a quick note:
this is from an email I sent to the original BioWare Store two years ago. I was asking about the creation process of 'Illium' because the creation determines the local tax rate (art or not, printed mass media product or not).

[...] I believe the paper is fed through a 6 roll press. As the paper passes through each plate, a new layer of ink is pressed on. [...]


This may have changed, but I believe not because 'Illium' doesn't feel any differently than later BWS lithographs.

So it's basically what Wikipedia says about lithographies and it's also what I did in school: the kids painted pressed leaves (leafes?) and then pressed them onto a piece of paper - this was repeated several times in several colours. In the end, various layers in different colours - and sometimes in different places - on the same sheet existed and made up a final image.


The description of the press is a dead giveaway. The "Illium" was made using an offset printing technique. This is the most common method of commercial printing. You see most commercial print outs are made with 4 basic colors: Cyan Magenta Yellow and Black (commonly referred to as CMYK). For every color a plate is made and installed on a machine, underneath an ink container. As the sheet of paper travels through  the machine the colors are applied one by one. The big misconception here is that the colors are applied in layers.Thats not exactly right, every color is made of tiny dots ( rasters) with spacing between them, so its more of a mosaic of dots that creates an illusion of wider color spectrum. For the sake of simplicity, think of it this way Print-CMYK- raster points, Computer Monitor -RGB- pixels.

As someone mentioned before litography is a term describing the printing method.
Technically, offset printing involves litographic process (they are both "flat" printing methods), so yes it is the modern lithography so to say, however there is nothing artsy about it. 
Its a mass production method. To give you an idea on average 7000 sheets of paper are printed per hour on a single press. So I am afraid there is nothing unique about it either. 

Another thing you seem to misunderstand is the concept of digital printing. 
With the method I described plate making has been fully digitalized, however it is not the same as digital printing.
Offset uses actual inks, which look and feel very much like the paint you would use to paint your walls.
Digital print however is either laser or inkjet. 
Personally I prefer the offset method as it provides an actual binding between the ink and paper fibers, but to be fair to an untrained eye there is no difference in quality.

I suspect that most lithographs are made with the modern offset technique.
They might be using some fancy paper, or some post press finishing methods.
Someone mentioned that the posters look glossy. This has more to do with the paper type used ( there is about 1 billion parameters that determine paper quality so I won't go into that) and varnish application, than the actual printing method.  

 I have never seen a physical copy of the litographs you discussed, nor am I familiar with the specifics of the artistic applications of lithography, however I am vary interested. It would be really cool if it was some  form of screen printing.


Anyone willing to do some testing for me?
How easily does the paper tear? dose it crack? how does it burn?Can you use a market on it?
What about a regular pen?
Anyone? No? Common guys this is for the sake of satisfying my curiosity =]
No?... dam you collectors. OK there is another way, less invasive ( also less fun)
Can someone tell me if they can see the little dots I mentioned before under a magnifying glass (compare it with another peace of print, a colorful leaflet for instance)




 

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Pechvogel wrote...

Anyone willing to do some testing for me?
How easily does the paper tear? dose it crack? how does it burn?Can you use a market on it?
What about a regular pen?
Anyone? No? Common guys this is for the sake of satisfying my curiosity =]
No?... dam you collectors. OK there is another way, less invasive ( also less fun)
Can someone tell me if they can see the little dots I mentioned before under a magnifying glass (compare it with another peace of print, a colorful leaflet for instance)

There may be somebody with a damaged lithograph who may be willing to experiment on it, since part of the store's replacement procedure is to render the original worthless by tearing the number and signature off.  If there's anyone with such a lithograph lying around they may be willing to do so, although given that it'll still be frameable I guess that depends.

As for the dots in question, that was the point I raised with the Bioshock lithographs: the dots (and chevrons etc) are visible to the naked eye, which is why I compared them to older printed comics that used that type of printing press.  It's hard to say if the Bioware lithographs are likewise as such dots aren't visible, at least unmagnified, but I'll check if I can find a handy magnifier lying around somewhere.  If I look closely without a magnifier, all I can see is a slight "rippled" effect; what does seem to be significant is the apparent absence of whitespace between the different colours that you tend to get with the offset process you describe.

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Yea... The Civ Litho is enormous. Roughly 26x30.  It turned out beautifully though.  

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vometia wrote...

Pechvogel wrote...

Anyone willing to do some testing for me?
How easily does the paper tear? dose it crack? how does it burn?Can you use a market on it?
What about a regular pen?
Anyone? No? Common guys this is for the sake of satisfying my curiosity =]
No?... dam you collectors. OK there is another way, less invasive ( also less fun)
Can someone tell me if they can see the little dots I mentioned before under a magnifying glass (compare it with another peace of print, a colorful leaflet for instance)

There may be somebody with a damaged lithograph who may be willing to experiment on it, since part of the store's replacement procedure is to render the original worthless by tearing the number and signature off.  If there's anyone with such a lithograph lying around they may be willing to do so, although given that it'll still be frameable I guess that depends.

As for the dots in question, that was the point I raised with the Bioshock lithographs: the dots (and chevrons etc) are visible to the naked eye, which is why I compared them to older printed comics that used that type of printing press.  It's hard to say if the Bioware lithographs are likewise as such dots aren't visible, at least unmagnified, but I'll check if I can find a handy magnifier lying around somewhere.  If I look closely without a magnifier, all I can see is a slight "rippled" effect; what does seem to be significant is the apparent absence of whitespace between the different colours that you tend to get with the offset process you describe.


You mean like this :
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Thats really weird, this effect you get with a press, a really old one I would imagine. Its a result of technological limitation. Nowadays the dots are vary small, impossible to see with the naked eye, thats why I suggested  a magnifier. This could be  stylized look, an intentionally applied effect, to be fair it does have its charm. 

Here is a video of how some lithographs are made with the "traditional method":


When you use a printing press you need a digital file ( a pdf), one made in a graphics software (illustrator, photoshop, whatnot), or a high quality scan of the physical artwork. That file is than rasterized ( converted to dots) and the resulting TIFF file is than used to make the plates. 
With the traditional lithography the artist has to make the image directly on the stone. So there should be no dots.
Quality wise modern offset is more efficient, however old school lithography is more unique, its more personal I guess. Its a bit like comparing digital photography to the more traditional film based.
Also, they only make a limited number of copies ( its vary time consuming). Btw are the lithographs you have numbered?


I wasn't really serious about the burning and all  =]
Ruining your precious possession wouldn't help me determine the printing method ( it could however tell 
me if there was any finishing applied: varnish, foil etc.)

Still try looking at your lithograph with a magnifying glass, when you have a chance.
Also try running it with your fingers, do you sense any irregularities? 
As I mentioned before, mechanically applied ink bounds with the paper fibers, making the printed surface perfectly smooth. There are some methods of going around it, still its worth a shot. 

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If I can organise myself enough to get my macro lens out (very big "if", I'm not good at being organised) I'll try to demonstrate the differences between the Bioshock lithos and the Bioware ones.  The latter are individually numbered and signed, though their mini-lithos which are produced in effectively unlimited runs aren't; they look just the same to my untrained eye, though.

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Yea... The Civ Litho is enormous. Roughly 26x30.  It turned out beautifully though.  

That looks great!  I'm not always big on the double-border thing, but I love your colour choices which seem to set off the lithograph perfectly.

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Pechvogel wrote...
There seems to be some confusion regarding lithography. As a professional printer I thought I could do some explaining.B)
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Can someone tell me if they can see the little dots I mentioned before under a magnifying glass (compare it with another peace of print, a colorful leaflet for instance)


Thx for your explanation - I imagined a different printing process there. The original, of course, is a digital one as all BioWare artists that I read about use a tablet for drawing.

I never thought about checking them with those diamond magnifying glasses. I also believe that the used dpi count (if printed) is much too high for dots to be visible under usual magnifiers. You'll need a microscope there.

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hmmm, shipping at treehouse seems to be very slow since they just finished inventory so... no report on the new lithos yet.

plus my valve order 'said' it shipped with a tracking number, but nothing comes up. fedex smartpost = crap. :/

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Thx for your explanation - I imagined a different printing process there. The original, of course, is a digital one as all BioWare artists that I read about use a tablet for drawing.

I never thought about checking them with those diamond magnifying glasses. I also believe that the used dpi count (if printed) is much too high for dots to be visible under usual magnifiers. You'll need a microscope there.

 
You are right, in print we use the dpi count to determine resolution. The pdfs that are sent to the printing house usually have between 150 and 300 dpi. 
I should however point out the difference between dpi (resolution) and lpi which is a measure that represents the frequency of the halftone dots. The lower the lpi the easier it is to observe the dots. You will be able to see them with a regular magnifier like this one:
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Nothing fancy, every press operator has one  of these, they use them to check for misregistration of colors.  This will work for most commercial print, however there is an exception, when you use Pantones you have 100% ink coverage, thus no visible dots. Pantones are rare though (mostly used for company logos) as they are expensive. 

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Aw, I just checked on the Dead Space backpack and it is now sold out. I wanted one of those, but could never justify spending the money at the time.

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yuck! the valve store sends stuff fedex smartpost... fedex ships it to the post office then USPS delivers it. how weird is that?

for what i paid, I think i should get it faster than two weeks but it's obviously something they don't consider.

treehouse is apparently buried with orders since they were stuck doing inventory and are working through the backlog now... damn i would LOVE to work there... surrounded by all things bioware/gaming.. hell yes! :D

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A few new giclées thanks to BeanieBat. :)

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Halo
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Homecoming, 13×19" giclée, cert. of authenticity, 100 printed
Odd One Out, 13×19" giclée, cert. of authenticity, 100 printed
Origins, 13×19" giclée, cert. of authenticity, 100 printed
Fall of Reach, 13×19" giclée, cert. of authenticity, 100 printed
First Contact, 19×13" giclée, cert. of authenticity, 100 printed
Unto the Breach, 19×13" giclée, cert. of authenticity, 100 printed
Evolutions Blue, 11×17" giclée, cert. of authenticity, 100 printed


Apologies for the new and ugly formatting but someone disabled HTML. <_< So ugly it is, then...

Talking of shipping, aren't DHL fun to deal with?  Got my shipment from the Valve Store, or more to the point we got a phone call saying that VAT was due.  I thought it seemed a lot and when checking it found they added the item value and the total shipping charge together (apparently they're not supposed to charge you for all shipping, just the bit once it clears customs, but they all do it), then added on the item value again, and then added on a "VAT adjustment" which is essentially paying tax on nothing at all, and then added on an administration fee that they assured us wouldn't be levied, so I had to pay them twice the amount of tax due before they'd hand it over.  So I called them up, spent nearly 10 minutes on a non-freephone number to someone who could speak only broken English who told me to email someone else who replied with the implication that I'm probably lying. :huh: And I thought UPS were bad.

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There somewhat right there, vometia. EU Directives includes the complete shipping as additional costs (s&h, wrapping etc.).

You're paying VAT on the item's value which is basic item cost + additional costs. This is the item's net value; then it's net value + VAT = gross. And you pay duties on the gross. There are value limits, though. For UK: above 18 Pounds value VAT only, above 135 Pounds VAT and duty.

You still have to pay attention there on how they calculate the value. UPS miscalculated the value twice and after the second time, I simply stopped using them. Same is for FedEx who also seems to be unable to correctly handle imported goods - even those with a correct customs declaration.

If you need help there - since DHL is a German company - just tell me.

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Talking of shipping, aren't DHL fun to deal with?  Got my shipment from the Valve Store, or more to the point we got a phone call saying that VAT was due.  I thought it seemed a lot and when checking it found they added the item value and the total shipping charge together (apparently they're not supposed to charge you for all shipping, just the bit once it clears customs, but they all do it), then added on the item value again, and then added on a "VAT adjustment" which is essentially paying tax on nothing at all, and then added on an administration fee that they assured us wouldn't be levied, so I had to pay them twice the amount of tax due before they'd hand it over.  So I called them up, spent nearly 10 minutes on a non-freephone number to someone who could speak only broken English who told me to email someone else who replied with the implication that I'm probably lying. :huh: And I thought UPS were bad.




YUCK!!!!!!  :o:o:sick:

that stuff aggravates me.. all these taxes and levis and BS. seriously- just charge us ONCE and roll everything into one so we don't get ripped off later when some fool decides to add two numbers together that shouldn't be added.

and it's really awful how many companies will basically tell you to screw off even if you call and have a legitimate claim. with all the competition out there, you'd think they'd be kinder but... nope! welcome to America- home of the sucky attitude!!! how do these people keep their jobs i wonder? so many people are unemployed and these 'winners' are employed? ugh :?

of course i'll point out that there are awesome companies out there as well but when you get a bad one, it's really bad.

so sorry you went through all that... I hope it was resolved in the end. :unsure:

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The Liara litho is pretty bloody large.
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