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[The Elder King]

adneate wrote...

Nice try BioWare I've learned my lesson from you guys after Awakening and ME2.

Did they say that ME2 was better than BG2?

[iampool]

BG2 runs with the advantage of being one of the best games i've ever played, and in my heart it will always be.

But, even if that was not the case, -i don't think so.-

[DPB]

Some of you should try reading the article as opposed to just the headline. At no point does Mike actually say that.

[LiquidGrape]

Being someone who found Baldur's Gate incredibly dull, I have no doubt I'll appreciate DA2 more. So sue me, I think it's aged. And I wasn't really in the groove to play it the first time around.

[Zeldias]

Hopefully better. I didn't really enjoy Baldur's Gate or any of those games. Well, I liked creating characters. I also played when I was much younger and didn't understand anything about what I was doing, though. "Well if it's a Cleric then of course it would wear robes, stay back, and just cast spells, right?" But even the last time I tried to play, it wasn't my cup of tea. To each their own, however!

I'd like DA2 to just strive to be as good as possible.

[Herr Uhl]

dbankier wrote...

Some of you should try reading the article as opposed to just the headline. At no point does Mike actually say that.

Indeed. And I have no doubt that the characters will be more fleshed out than their BG2 counterparts (if nothing else due to how much fewer they are) and interact more.

As for battle and tactics, I'd have to try it first.

[TheMadCat]

Well, at least this time they didn't go the "spiritual successor" route.

[iamthespark]

I played it the other way around, first DA then BG2. I enjoyed both games and saw what Bioware meant by saying "spiritual successor", and I could appreciate that.



The assumption is that I would have liked DA better than BG2 (which is true, I can never go back to playing BG2 with all that text, overhead view and micro-management), but the characters really were somehow more memorable. I don't know why.. maybe because they spoke up more during battles or while we were wandering around they would stop and have a chat - or it could simply have been the mind-numbing repetition.... I simply don’t know.



Leliana tugged at my heart strings, but I'm going to remember Aerie whining about her lost wings for much longer... possibly up until my deathbed... sigh.

[maxernst]

If you actually read the article instead of the headline, what he says is that certain specific aspects of DA2 will be as good or better than BG2, which I don't find hard to believe. He says the characters will be just as memorable which is very possible, in my opinion. Personally, I found DA:O to have more memorable and believable characters than BG2.



Whether it will be a deeper tactical experience is harder to predict and may very well be a matter of taste. I doubt that it will have nearly as great a variety of enemies requiring different tactical approaches, nor will there be as many different kinds of spells and counterspells. If your idea of tactics is playing scissors-paper-stone with spellcasters, DA2 will probably not be deeper. On the other hand DA:O certainly had a greater variety of non-magical attacks, and much more customizable companion A.I., so it's conceivable DA2 could be deeper in certain respects.

[connorthedragonslayer]

RiverLucky wrote...

I think a lot of people prefer Baldur's Gate 2 is because of the nostalgic factor.

I replayed it recently, and I preferred the improvements in DA:O from a technical point of view.

I post on the Bethesda forums and they are EXACTLY the same with Morrwind. They forget all the flaws Morrowind had and see it was completely rose tinted glasses.

[FellowerOfOdin]

I just hope that this was EA's idea because I'd be incredibly disappointed if Bioware seriously tries THAT HARD to market this...game.

[Maera Imrov]

Battle and tactics never much tickled me anyway. When I bought NWN1 and played through HotU recently, I only did it for the story. The combat, managing characters, and whatnot struck me as rather clunky and just wasn't my cup of tea. RPGs for me are more about the story and characters, the experience. Gameplay mechanics almost never factor into how I judge them. If it gets too micro-management prone, it tends to turn me off, to be honest. I would say it's because I am not 'old skool' enough, but then I never tried to be. I started gaming in the late 80's on a NES and was a console baby up until Morrowind.



YMMV, of course, as this is just my opinion.

[PrinceOfFallout13]

i played baldurs gate 2 and sorry but no i dont like that game i prefer origins thank you very much

[Forst1999]

Well, the headline and the article doesn't really fit together.

As someone who never got into Baldur's Gate i think for me DA II will definitly be better. Bioware for sure thinks DAII is better, they try to improve their games, otherwise they would just make BG clones over and over.

But for some people BGII will always be the perfect game. Good for them, i know the feeling (only with Morrowind instead of Baldur's Gate). You just have to be a little more objective and not expect your old favorite to be the template every other game has to follow.

[Bobad]

There is a possibility that it could be, for example you playthrough on Nightmare and unlock rose tinted glasses for all future playthroughs.

[VanDraegon]

Gaming nostalgia is a strong feeling we all have from time to time. As far as DA2 goes, I will be a happy gamer if I get as much play time and enjoyment out of it as I did DA:O.

[SandyWB]

My Baldur's Gate (I and II) experience was
pretty much that I got the games when I was like 12-13, played them for 1/10 of
the story, but then grew tired/frustrated because I didn’t know how the
mechanics worked, so I died alot. Then I uninstalled them and let them gather
dust in a drawer somewhere. 



Time went by, and I always had a soft spot for the
feel and look of the game (not to mention the character creator and the story),
and I had seen a friend of mine get a lot further into the story, which really
intrigued me. So when I was 18-19, during a particularly boring part of summer,
I reinstalled Baldur's Gate 2 and ToB and played it with various mods that
enhanced the experience. It really is a great game, IF you can manage to stay
interested. I'm a completionist when it comes to Bioware games, I have to
do as many side-quests as possible or I just feel like I didn't complete the
game. And seeing how SoA and ToB together will get you about 200 hours of
gameplay, that really is pushing it when it comes to keeping me interested.
I've played the game from start to finish with almost every side quest there is
a total of 4 times, and I'm pretty sure I'll never play the entire thing again
simply because it's too long and I wouldn't be able to stay hooked long enough.



Perhaps it's because there are so many side-quests
that the game felt somewhat like a chore. The main
story is awesome, but if you try to do everything at some point you just feel
like you want to be done with it. In my opinion Origins had this problem as
well. The main quests are amazing, but sometimes you feel like you are just
running in circles around Ferelden doing small things while the Blight is
almost upon the nation.



For me at least, Baldur's Gate I/II will probably
always be the game with the longest, most interesting story, and have some of
the best NPCs and companions, but the gameplay(battle gameplay that is) in
itself isn't very fun, at least not to me. I actually think I'll enjoy Dragon
Age more, at least if the story comes close to what I've made it out to be in
my mind.



So yeah, Baldur's Gate II is the best roleplaying
STORY I've played, but I think Dragon Age 2 will be the best roleplaying GAME
I've ever played.

[SandyWB]

Dubble post

Modifié par SandyWB, 09 février 2011 - 05:18 .

[Mystic dream]

RiverLucky wrote...

I think a lot of people prefer Baldur's Gate 2 is because of the nostalgic factor.

I replayed it recently, and I preferred the improvements in DA:O from a technical point of view.

I cringe every time someone says it's because of nostalgy, or: "you view the game with rose tinted glasses" etc etc, whenever I mention to someone that BG2 is my favorite game of all time. I have taken a habit of returning to the game on an annual basis, and each time i've thoroughly enjoyed it. What can I say, I enjoy the game mechanics, story and the rich variation of personalities the companions bring to the game. If somebody does not like it that's fine, just dont come spout this nostalgy bull in my face. (not directed at you RiverLucky, just wanted to rant.)

With that said, I don't really see why a game could not possibly be on par or even better than BG2, personally that is a really big pedestal, but to say it's never going to happen to me sounds a bit silly. I'm not sure if DA2 is going to be it, but who knows? I'm gonna give it a shot anyway.

Modifié par Mystic dream, 09 février 2011 - 05:37 .

[marshalleck]

I might believe it, but not until I've played the game. I've played through DAO more times than I can bear playing through BG2, and DA2 is looking better.

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 février 2011 - 05:23 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Ziggeh wrote...

I don't see how anything could ever be as good as my imperfect memory of something I enjoyed.

Since I replayed it very recently, it still is just as good as I remember. I doubt DA2 will match it on a pure story or even character level.

But of course it excell on a technical/graphics level. But yes, the article title is very misleading when you see what he actually said.

[Economist21]

I never played BG2, I started playing Bioware games at Kotor and Jade Empire. I get the feeling that if I went out and bought BG2 and played it I would not start holding it up as the gold standard of rpgs.



Of course there's only one way to find out and I need something to play until DA2 comes out .

[ErichHartmann]

BG2's mechanics hold up great to "modern" RPGs. Players have a lot more variety with customization and enemy encounters are much more challenging. Granted having access to D&D made it easy compared to building a world from scratch. 

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 09 février 2011 - 05:39 .

[Haristo]

OMFG BioWare learned something from CryTek !



nah obviously not good as Baldur's Gate II.. However, it doesn't mean this game will fail, it will a great game I'm sure of it.

[Seagloom]

Mystic dream wrote...
With that said, I don't really see why a game could not possibly be on par or even better than BG2, personally, that is a really big pedestal, but to say it's never going to happen to me sounds a bit silly. I'm not sure if DA2 is going to be it, but who knows? I'm gonna give it a shot anyway.

I used to believe that. It is the logical way to see it, after all. Believing it can absolutely never happen makes no sense. Despite knowing this, I consciously decided it was unlikely to ever happen a year or so ago when it became obvious the elements of timing, resources, design goals, and widespread player preferences were unlikely to converge in that same way again.

BG2 existed in a very different time for the gaming industry. Mainstream tastes and expectations were not what they are today. Game development was not as insanely expensive as it is now either. That is why I see another RPG usupring BG2 in my heart as unlikely. Can a game have better tactical gameplay? Sure. Character development? Definitely. It has already happened in later BioWare games. Length? Not likely, but I never thought a game as long as Origins would exist in the modern gaming era, so who knows.

I just think hanging onto the idea all these elements will converge again and produce a successor is being disingenuous to myself. Rather than compare every RPG to BG2 in hopes it can match or exceed it, I prefer judging it by its own merits. BG2 was one of a kind for too many reasons to list. So was PST for that matter.

Modifié par Seagloom, 09 février 2011 - 05:36 .