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[ecbricco]

as much as id love love love to believe/hope it will be on par with bg2 i doubt it, i have faith in bioware to make incredable games but idt they can pull off another bg2 with da2 (hope to be proven wrong of course)

[Khayness]

It's the scale what makes BG truly amazing, and everyone knows that nobody in their right mindset would try to make a game that huge with current day expectations.

Weeks of gameplay with 3d graphics, voice acting and cutscenes, good luck with that.

Comparing DA2 to BG serves no purpose other than pissing people off.

Modifié par Khayness, 09 février 2011 - 05:53 .

[ManiacalEvil]

BGII had the most sucky gameplay ever. BioWare hasn't released a single game that wasn't better than BGII. ME2 is now the BioWare high standard I believe.

[MerinTB]

LiquidGrape wrote...
Being someone who found Baldur's Gate incredibly dull, I have no doubt I'll appreciate DA2 more. So sue me, I think
it's aged. And I wasn't really in the groove to play it the first time around.

This.  Worlds of this.

Super excited at release I couldn't get myself to finish BG, gettng too bored.

I did burn through BG2 and enjoyed it, and I not only appreciate the game and what it means to cRPGs historically but I do try to get RPG fans (especially D&D fans) who haven't played it to try it out...
but it's far down my list of favorite RPGs.  It's not my favorite BioWare game/series by a long shot.

So, yes, I can easily see DA2 being better than BG2 in all aspects save one for me.  BG2 was an amazing improvemnt on BG.  DA2 I have a hard time believing it will be equal, let alone better than, DA:O.  There is no way, again for me, that DA2 will be the quantum leap forward from DA:O that BG2 was from BG.

Modifié par MerinTB, 09 février 2011 - 05:45 .

[FellowerOfOdin]

Khayness wrote...

Comparing DA2 to BG serves no purpose other than pissing people off.

Exactly. BG2 was a CRPG with highly tactical, micro management, turn-based combat and a very balanced background...how you compare DA2 to such a game? It's not even nearly as deep as D&D, the combat is more focused on gore and fast action than actual strategic gameplay and the companions are clichée...almost the whole team is a joke. A gay emo elf? A jailbait elf? A milksop? Those people are supposed to safe the world? Uhm...just no. 1 comic relief character is good as long as he's credible and Oghren was very borderline, unbearable to me. MInsc was perfect - funny yet credible at the same time. Minsc did not need to fart and burp at every occasion just to be funny...so either people got a lot dumber today or the writing became worse :/

ME2 is the new standard for story / characters and seeing the current cast, DA2 won't be even close to characters like Wrex, Samara etc. ME2 has a squad I'd actually buy being able to save the world. Those are credible people, multi-dimensional, dynamic characters. Not gay emos. Seriously, what the eff.

Modifié par FellowerOfOdin, 09 février 2011 - 05:47 .

[John Epler]

I might recommend actually reading the article before you jump to conclusions.



Oh, who am I kidding. People are going to jump to conclusions regardless of what I say.

[Ginen]

Time will tell I suppose. At the time, I thought Baldur's Gate 1 was the end all and be all of PC RPGs and that they couldn't get better. So I was very happy with BG2 in that it was just a larger version of BG1. But I've played a lot of games since then, and I've liked them for different reasons; none of them the same reasons why I liked BG2. DA2 is getting hyped up a lot now because it releases soon and it is benefiting from that excitement. The same thing happened with BG2 and everyone was thinking BG2 and how BG2 was going so much better than BG1. It's only after the hype machine stops that people start looking at the game more critically, but by that time the next installment is announced, we restart this whole song and dance.

[ErichHartmann]

Well, I recently replayed BG through Throne of Bhaal and most of the dialogue is a laugh riot (even Airplane! is quoted). Just as silly as DA's atmosphere if not more.

[DPB]

JohnEpler wrote...

I might recommend actually reading the article before you jump to conclusions.

Oh, who am I kidding. People are going to jump to conclusions regardless of what I say.

I and a few others said the same, but we seemed to be have been ignored, as obviously facts aren't important when there's an excuse to rant.

[Sylvius the Mad]

JohnEpler wrote...

Oh, who am I kidding. People are going to jump to conclusions regardless of what I say.

Welcome to my world, John.

[The Elder King]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Khayness wrote...

Comparing DA2 to BG serves no purpose other than pissing people off.

Exactly. BG2 was a CRPG with highly tactical, micro management, turn-based combat and a very balanced background...how you compare DA2 to such a game? It's not even nearly as deep as D&D, the combat is more focused on gore and fast action than actual strategic gameplay and the companions are clichée...almost the whole team is a joke. A gay emo elf? A jailbait elf? A milksop? Those people are supposed to safe the world? Uhm...just no. 1 comic relief character is good as long as he's credible and Oghren was very borderline, unbearable to me. MInsc was perfect - funny yet credible at the same time. Minsc did not need to fart and burp at every occasion just to be funny...so either people got a lot dumber today or the writing became worse :/

ME2 is the new standard for story / characters and seeing the current cast, DA2 won't be even close to characters like Wrex, Samara etc. ME2 has a squad I'd actually buy being able to save the world. Those are credible people, multi-dimensional, dynamic characters. Not gay emos. Seriously, what the eff.

Only a thing. Hawke will not save the world. This isn't the mission of DA2

edit: there's the link. read the two posts of Gaider.

http://social.biowar...85&lf=8#3129712

Modifié par hhh89, 09 février 2011 - 06:02 .

[LiquidGrape]

JohnEpler wrote...

I might recommend actually reading the article before you jump to conclusions.

Oh, who am I kidding. People are going to jump to conclusions regardless of what I say.

But jumping to conclusions is the very lifeblood of an online community. If we stopped misconstruing other people's words, we'd risk having meaningful discussions.
I'll just let you all catch your breath.

[AlexXIV]

To be fair alot of the guessing and jumping to conclusions went rather well in the past.

[TheMadCat]

dbankier wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

I might recommend actually reading the article before you jump to conclusions.

Oh, who am I kidding. People are going to jump to conclusions regardless of what I say.

I and a few others said the same, but we seemed to be have been ignored, as obviously facts aren't important when there's an excuse to rant.

What facts were missed? I read it and it read like the usual PR marketing spiel.

[DPB]

TheMadCat wrote...

dbankier wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

I might recommend actually reading the article before you jump to conclusions.

Oh, who am I kidding. People are going to jump to conclusions regardless of what I say.

I and a few others said the same, but we seemed to be have been ignored, as obviously facts aren't important when there's an excuse to rant.

What facts were missed? I read it and it read like the usual PR marketing spiel.

The fact being that Mike never actually said "DA2 will be as good as BG2."

[Cutlass Jack]

JohnEpler wrote...

I might recommend actually reading the article before you jump to conclusions.

Oh, who am I kidding. People are going to jump to conclusions regardless of what I say.

How dare you say that! How Dare you!

Hmm. What did you say? I was too busy quoting to read that.

[TheMadCat]

dbankier wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

dbankier wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

I might recommend actually reading the article before you jump to conclusions.

Oh, who am I kidding. People are going to jump to conclusions regardless of what I say.

I and a few others said the same, but we seemed to be have been ignored, as obviously facts aren't important when there's an excuse to rant.

What facts were missed? I read it and it read like the usual PR marketing spiel.

The fact being that Mike never actually said "DA2 will be as good as BG2."

Right he said he felt the story, writing, and party systems are better. And what are BioWare games known for?

[iampool]

JohnEpler wrote...

I might recommend actually reading the article before you jump to conclusions.

Oh, who am I kidding. People are going to jump to conclusions regardless of what I say.

Jump into conclusions, oh i love that.

[lenkite]

Ok, I feel almost compelled to comment. I am a new school RPG player, I only started RPG's from Neverwinter nights and KOTOR and I never understood all the fan support for BG2. I have twice attempted to play the game, overlooking the dated graphics, weird companions and boring battles. I spent more than 10 hours in both attempts and the second time I actually fell asleep at my PC.



I have a feeling that the 'nostalgia' factor is playing too much of a role here. *shrugs*, maybe it was the best game in its day, I wouldn't know, but I personally found DA:O more attractive and engaging. As another poster said before, in 10 years time, I guess I'll complain about how the newest Bioware RPG game can never compare to DA:O.

[DPB]

TheMadCat wrote...

Right he said he felt the story, writing, and party systems are better. And what are BioWare games known for?

Uh, where? The only claimed improvement is the 'tactical experience', otherwise he makes no claims to those parts being better.

"[Baldur's Gate 2] had characters that were incredibly
memorable," Laidlaw tells News10's Game Guys. "Characters like Edwin
or Minsc with his crazed crusade against all things evil. And I think
that what we deliver with Dragon Age 2 a deeper tactical experience."

In fact, Laidaw says that the game actually does a better job at making
the party work together. Working together is a big part of the game and
is essential for defeating the game's tougher foes.

"Our characters, our story we're telling I think is incredibly memorable," concluded Laidlaw.

Modifié par dbankier, 09 février 2011 - 06:09 .

[October Sixth]

Since we haven't experienced either the combat or the interactions, this falls solidly within the category of "wait and see." Could the combat be deeper and the characters more memorable? Maybe!

[TheMadCat]

dbankier wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Right he said he felt the story, writing, and party systems are better. And what are BioWare games known for?

Uh, where? The only claimed improvement is the 'tactical experience', otherwise he makes no claims to those parts being better.

"[Baldur's Gate 2] had characters that were incredibly
memorable," Laidlaw tells News10's Game Guys. "Characters like Edwin
or Minsc with his crazed crusade against all things evil. And I think
that what we deliver with Dragon Age 2 a deeper tactical experience."

In fact, Laidaw says that the game actually does a better job at making
the party work together. Working together is a big part of the game and
is essential for defeating the game's tougher foes.

"Our characters, our story we're telling I think is incredibly memorable," concluded Laidlaw.

You missed part of the article.

It compares so well, actually that the game's lead designer, Mike Laidlaw, finds that DA2 has some of his favorite writing of any BioWare game to date.

So yes, writing there. Then you had "Our characters, our story we're telling I think is incredibly memorable," which given the context I think can easily imply that it's at the very least on par with BG2. And of course the whole party there in the second paragrap of the quote. So yeah. all seems to be there to me.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 09 février 2011 - 06:20 .

[7times6]

Isn't it a little bit obscure to generally compare a decade old game in iso-view with a 3D game of nowadays as some do here?

To really compare them you could either compare them in relation to their peers - how much BG2 stood out at his time - or in terms of general quality, that is in my eyes mostly immersion as the end effect.

Either way, personally I don't see DA2 even anywhere near BG2. Still, it will be a great game worth its money, but not as far as I know the milestone its hardcore fans wish it to be.
Of course, if you are not ready to invest time into such powerfull/complex world systems as RPG systems, you are much better served with DA1/2.
As Bioware said, DA is accessible without reading a lore/rule book. If you want more, you have to pay for it with your own time to get into it, the price of the game and so on.

BG will therefore likely remain an exception until a young game company wants to make a name for itsself and finds a RPG publisher who wants to promote its game.

[AlanC9]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Khayness wrote...

Comparing DA2 to BG serves no purpose other than pissing people off.

Exactly. BG2 was a CRPG with highly tactical, micro management, turn-based combat and a very balanced background...how you compare DA2 to such a game? It's not even nearly as deep as D&D, the combat is more focused on gore and fast action than actual strategic gameplay and the companions are clichée...almost the whole team is a joke. A gay emo elf? A jailbait elf? A milksop? Those people are supposed to safe the world? Uhm...just no. 1 comic relief character is good as long as he's credible and Oghren was very borderline, unbearable to me. MInsc was perfect - funny yet credible at the same time. Minsc did not need to fart and burp at every occasion just to be funny...so either people got a lot dumber today or the writing became worse :/

ME2 is the new standard for story / characters and seeing the current cast, DA2 won't be even close to characters like Wrex, Samara etc. ME2 has a squad I'd actually buy being able to save the world. Those are credible people, multi-dimensional, dynamic characters. Not gay emos. Seriously, what the eff.

Is that a serious post, or are you just trying to demonstrate the pissing-off effect?

[AlanC9]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Well, I recently replayed BG through Throne of Bhaal and most of the dialogue is a laugh riot (even Airplane! is quoted). Just as silly as DA's atmosphere if not more.

I don't remember the Airplane! quote; what was it?

But yeah, replaying BG2 this summer made me realize just how overrated that game is.