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[Mystic dream]

Would it really be sacrilege, even if he had said that it would be as good as BG2? Why is this such a big issue all of a sudden?

Modifié par Mystic dream, 09 février 2011 - 06:26 .

[Master Shiori]

Why not?

BG2 was a masterpiece of it's time, but show it to today's audience and I doubt anyone but longtime rpg fans would have patience for the complexity of combat or the amount of learning that BG2 requires.
Dragon Age: Origins did a great job of combining a great story and memorable characters with a new, faster and more modern aproach to party based combat. All the things that I loved in BG2.
If Dragon Age 2 can not only keep the quality of Origins, but also improve it, as Mike Laidlaw claims, then I can see it becoming as popular as BG2 was back in it's day.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 09 février 2011 - 06:26 .

[TheMadCat]

AlanC9 wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

Well, I recently replayed BG through Throne of Bhaal and most of the dialogue is a laugh riot (even Airplane! is quoted). Just as silly as DA's atmosphere if not more.

I don't remember the Airplane! quote; what was it?

But yeah, replaying BG2 this summer made me realize just how overrated that game is.

Yes it is, why it get's so much love to this day and age is beyond me.

[Cuthlan]

The Baldur's Gate series is one of my all-time favorites... BG and Diablo were my first real experiences with the rpg genre (although obviously they're completely different types of RPGs). The story is great.



...but is the rest of it? The actual gameplay of DA:O was much more enjoyable to me. The storyline of the entire BG series was better to me, but not by a huge margin. And sure, Awakening was a weaker cap to DA:O compared to the original game... but so was the extremely rushed Throne of Bhaal. I have replayed the BG series more times than I could count, as recently as about a year ago. Every time I find myself hating the AD&D mechanics and the movement in the game, coping with it to enjoy the story.



So far everything I've heard about DA2 makes me think that the gameplay mechanics will be better, to me, than DA:O. The story is an unknown... it could well be just as good. Maybe even better.



Wont know until I play it.

[tez19]

never played baulders gate so i don't really care, i love mass effect and the dragon age series, i love the elder scrolls series, i get hyped every year when games come out that i really look forward to. i do not live in the past and think 'why can't it be as good as that game.'

Modifié par tez19, 09 février 2011 - 06:39 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Master Shiori wrote...

If Dragon Age 2 can not only keep the quality of Origins, but also improve it, as Mike Laidlaw claims, then I can see it becoming as popular as BG2 was back in it's day.

"As popular" does not equal "as good".

Also, newer games sell far better than older games did, so "as popular" isn't a useful measure.

[Uomoz1987]

Let's not be radical chic, BG was the best of its age, and the content was insanely good, but plotwise DAO (and hopefully DA2) was at the same level.

[Master Shiori]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

"As popular" does not equal "as good".

"as good" is an entirely subjective term and, therefore, not something I'm planning to start a debate over. 

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Also, newer games sell far better than older games did, so "as popular" isn't a useful measure.

Of course they do.

But you can look at how a certain game is received by both public and the critics and how well it sold compared to other modern games in that genre.

[Captain Sassy Pants]

Forst1999 wrote...

Well, the headline and the article doesn't really fit together.
As someone who never got into Baldur's Gate i think for me DA II will definitly be better. Bioware for sure thinks DAII is better, they try to improve their games, otherwise they would just make BG clones over and over.
But for some people BGII will always be the perfect game. Good for them, i know the feeling (only with Morrowind instead of Baldur's Gate). You just have to be a little more objective and not expect your old favorite to be the template every other game has to follow.

I know, I sure as hell feel silly wishing the sequel to the "spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate" kept some of those elements. Shame on me.

And DA2 won't be better. Why? Because they aren't even in the same genre anymore. Baldur's Gate is a tactical RPG, DA2 is an action RPG.

Watching all of the game play videos, it looks to me like it has more in common with Diablo 2 than Baldur's Gate.

You can like it better if you want, though, no one is stopping you.

[lv12medic]

The only relationship I see in the article between Baldur's Gate II and Dragon Age 2 is that they will both have memorable characters and stories.

[bzombo]

Elton John is dead wrote...

http://www.news10.ne...48&provider=top

http://www.news10.ne...aldursGate2.png

that's a pretty big claim to make. to me, bg1&2 are the best games i've ever played. i would put origins right after them. for some reason, i doubt da2 will even be better than origins.

[BIO18]

Well the only Baldur gate I played was the one on ps2 ... Yes was bad .

[CarlSpackler]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

"As popular" does not equal "as good".

Also, newer games sell far better than older games did, so "as popular" isn't a useful measure.

Agreed, but "as good" is rather subjective so not all the useful either. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

Master Shiori wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

"As popular" does not equal "as good".

"as good" is an entirely subjective term and, therefore, not something I'm planning to start a debate over. 

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Also, newer games sell far better than older games did, so "as popular" isn't a useful measure.

Of course they do.

But you can look at how a certain game is received by both public and the critics and how well it sold compared to other modern games in that genre.

But "as popular" isn't something that is at all compelling to any individual gamer.  No one likes a game more just because it is more popular.

[Captain Sassy Pants]

AlanC9 wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

Well, I recently replayed BG through Throne of Bhaal and most of the dialogue is a laugh riot (even Airplane! is quoted). Just as silly as DA's atmosphere if not more.

I don't remember the Airplane! quote; what was it?

But yeah, replaying BG2 this summer made me realize just how overrated that game is.

Yup. Lots of people like it = overrated.

EVERYTHING is overrated in someone's eyes. Get over yourself.

[kungflu]

RiverLucky wrote...

I think a lot of people prefer Baldur's Gate 2 is because of the nostalgic factor.

I replayed it recently, and I preferred the improvements in DA:O from a technical point of view.

I prefer Baldurs Gate 2 because of the awesome factor.

It had:
-More interesting characters
-Waaaay more skills/spells/class/race combinations. You can argue the redundant.... ness of said choices all you want but I still like having them. sometimes less really is just well, less.
-D&D rules
-Better side quests
-better plot.

Master Shiori wrote...

Why not?

BG2 was a masterpiece of it's time, but show it to today's audience and I doubt anyone but longtime rpg fans would have patience for the complexity of combat or the amount of learning that BG2 requires.
Dragon Age: Origins did a great job of combining a great story and memorable characters with a new, faster and more modern aproach to party based combat. All the things that I loved in BG2.
If Dragon Age 2 can not only keep the quality of Origins, but also improve it, as Mike Laidlaw claims, then I can see it becoming as popular as BG2 was back in it's day.

popularity =/ quality

Modifié par kungflu, 09 février 2011 - 07:17 .

[Mad-Max90]

Yeah I don't think they as a team have improved their storytelling or gameplay mechanics at all In the past 11 years...I think I'll just stick to an old game they made because they couldn't possibly improve on anything.at all.whatsoever. Derp

[Dreadstruck]

Nostalgic? How's that nostalgic when I have the game right here on the destkop?

[Lyssistr]

well, to be fair, at least in the text (can't watch the video right now) they claim that some aspects of DA2 will be better than BGII, they don't relate the two games as a whole.



That being said, I don't believe DA2 will be better than DAO or BGII, overall as a game.

[Cutlass Jack]

Mystic dream wrote...

Would it really be sacrilege, even if he had said that it would be as good as BG2? Why is this such a big issue all of a sudden?

Sacrilege? No. Highly Unlikely? Yes. Given the much shorter development schedule of DA2, it will have its work cut out matching Origins, let alone BG2. As proven well enough by Awakening.

However, I would love to be proven entirely wrong in this regard. I hope its awesome.

BIO18 wrote...

Well the only Baldur gate I played was the one on ps2 ... Yes was bad .

Eww. That wasn't a Baldur's Gate game. That was just a cheap attempt to cash in on the name.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 09 février 2011 - 07:31 .

[Mad-Max90]

Honestly the game could be vastly superior to baulder's gate, and some of you guys whould still deny it. That's just the way some of you are, and it's kind of lame in my opinion to even say it's not as good when you haven't played it so you really have to get over yourselves and not judge till you have

[MindFlayer360]

Mystic dream wrote...
Would it really be sacrilege, even if he had said that it would be as good as BG2? Why is this such a big issue all of a sudden?

Probably more of an issue for people who don't like the changes they feel are moving the DA franchise even further away from BGII. By implying one way of doing action or dialogue or what have you is better than it was done previously means it's less likely they'll go back to that other way of doing things, which some people may be holding out hope for.

As for the BG series still holding up today, that's all a matter of personal taste. For me, BGII is the only game that has been installed on every computer I have owned and I still enjoy playing it. Honestly, the only thing that brought me back to Bioware was that 'spiritual successor to BG' advertising. They used that advertising initially for a reason; whether due to strong nostalgia or gaming taste, it got people's attention. Which is probably why the article uses that title.

Modifié par MindFlayer360, 09 février 2011 - 07:28 .

[Altima Darkspells]

All I know is that I miss the days of complex gameplay systems.



Remember the spells in BG2? All the unforseen bugs/glitches? The way they synergized well with each other? That was awesome.



In BioWare's recent games (DAO, ME series), it's been, well, a bit boring. You upgrade one thing, and it only does one thing. Everything is linear. Predictable. Boring.



I miss the days when complex was synonymous with RPG.

[macrocarl]

We'll see won't we? This will get me killed for saying but while I enjoyed BG2 back in the day I just don't think it's as good as the newer Bioware titles! Including Mass Effect 2!!!!! (runs for his life)

[ManiacalEvil]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

All I know is that I miss the days of complex gameplay systems.

Remember the spells in BG2? All the unforseen bugs/glitches? The way they synergized well with each other? That was awesome.

In BioWare's recent games (DAO, ME series), it's been, well, a bit boring. You upgrade one thing, and it only does one thing. Everything is linear. Predictable. Boring.

I miss the days when complex was synonymous with RPG.

I have nightmare's about those days. Simpler is better for me nowadays, and that's why I consider ME2 the best game ever released.