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Hawke as Main Character for all the Dragon Age Future Games?


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Gloriana wrote...

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While I hope he'll be a DA2-only character, I don't want him magically "disappearing" like my Warden did at the end of Awakening, either.


dont think the warden did magicaly dissapear, they left it open to your interpritation. If theyd had said "and then the warden went off to kill a thousand babies laughing as the bugger did so" people would be pissed. Use your imagination for the ending. The Wardens gone and i for one hope he/she dosent come back, let him/her rest ffs already saved the world once. RETIRE!


I don't care if she "retired" (i.e. died), it's that she simply disappeared. That's literally what it says. Feels like a cop-out, honestly.


I spose i wouldnt mind the Warden comming back for one more game, could revolve around their Calling, set almost completly in the deep roads. But the great thing about dragon age is theat theyv set up this enormous world with so many different things going on, why bother revisiting storyies which have a decent ending, plus blight seem to happen (correct me if im wrong) centuries apart) so really the grey warden will have nothing major to do for the rest of his/her life seen as wardens cant become involved in politics.

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Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

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Bioware mentioned Name of the Wind when discussing DA2's use of framed narrative.  (And DA1 had some likely NotW  homages with the mad hermit and the mage tracking.)  So why not go the next step and let DA3 use a Song of Ice and Fire structure where different "chapters" have different party leaders in different parts of the world.  This would allow for the Warden, Hawke and a new character to all play parts in an intersecting story that draws upon imported saves.  The new character could be your 'main' for the leveling portions.  And the Warden and Hawke could play important roles at various decision points.  And hey that's what I'd like to see.

You mean the player get to play everyone role in a bigger storybook? 
I'm sorry how does this intersecting story suppose be logical in human mind as individual? Are you expecting the player to experience storybook characters instead of personal adventure?


What is it to experience storybook characters instead of personal adventures?  I'm not entirely sure what you mean. 

Do you mean to passively watch a character's
actions unfold versus imaging yourself as the main character?  If so, no,
that's not what I want.  I think
that goes against what's best about RPG's.  The best parts of an RPG,
for me at least, are what happens in your mind as a result of some
decision you make in the game.  So I think
personal adventure is important and that it's good for game writers to
think of themselves not just as storytellers but also as facilitators. 

Whatever it means, I think "experiencing storybook characters instead of personal adventure" is probably a separate matter from whether there's more than one perspective or main character in a game.

If I've played the Warden, and I've played Hawke, I can imagine being the Warden when I'm the Warden in DA3 (and thus being on a personal adventure) and can imagine being Hawke when I'm Hawke in DA3 (and going on a personal adventure there too).  And if there's a new character that I spend a lot of time leveling, then I will feel an attachment to that character as well.  So I don't think personal adventure is lost.

You just have more than one personal adventure in one game.  You still role play.  But you play more than one role.  

How do they intersect?  Difficult as a gamer to tell right now--will be easier to speculate once we've all finished Dragon Age II.  If Flemeth though has a scheme in which she manipulates both the Warden and Hawke (and both manipulations feed into her scheme), then both Hawke and the Warden could both have a stake in whatever Flemeth is up to down the line.  (Flemeth does likely have ulterior motives for rescuing Warden in DAO and Hawke in DA2.)  And key decisions like how the Warden handled Morrigan and Landsmeet and how Hawke went about becoming Champion could be relevant to world events in DA3, where, say, a Flemeth-hatched plot might feature.  And given that Morrigan returns later in the franchise, it just seems the story could have a gravity pulling the various main characters towards her and Flemeth.  

Or not.  I just think it would be cool.

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Madman17 wrote...

Gloriana wrote...

Madman17 wrote...

Gloriana wrote...

While I hope he'll be a DA2-only character, I don't want him magically "disappearing" like my Warden did at the end of Awakening, either.


dont think the warden did magicaly dissapear, they left it open to your interpritation. If theyd had said "and then the warden went off to kill a thousand babies laughing as the bugger did so" people would be pissed. Use your imagination for the ending. The Wardens gone and i for one hope he/she dosent come back, let him/her rest ffs already saved the world once. RETIRE!


I don't care if she "retired" (i.e. died), it's that she simply disappeared. That's literally what it says. Feels like a cop-out, honestly.


I spose i wouldnt mind the Warden comming back for one more game, could revolve around their Calling, set almost completly in the deep roads. But the great thing about dragon age is theat theyv set up this enormous world with so many different things going on, why bother revisiting storyies which have a decent ending, plus blight seem to happen (correct me if im wrong) centuries apart) so really the grey warden will have nothing major to do for the rest of his/her life seen as wardens cant become involved in politics.

lol even though The First Warden is basicly King of the Anderfels?

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i'm pretty sure DA3 will center around a character who is basically Dalish Batman

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kylecouch wrote...

Madman17 wrote...

Gloriana wrote...

Madman17 wrote...

Gloriana wrote...

While I hope he'll be a DA2-only character, I don't want him magically "disappearing" like my Warden did at the end of Awakening, either.


dont think the warden did magicaly dissapear, they left it open to your interpritation. If theyd had said "and then the warden went off to kill a thousand babies laughing as the bugger did so" people would be pissed. Use your imagination for the ending. The Wardens gone and i for one hope he/she dosent come back, let him/her rest ffs already saved the world once. RETIRE!


I don't care if she "retired" (i.e. died), it's that she simply disappeared. That's literally what it says. Feels like a cop-out, honestly.


I spose i wouldnt mind the Warden comming back for one more game, could revolve around their Calling, set almost completly in the deep roads. But the great thing about dragon age is theat theyv set up this enormous world with so many different things going on, why bother revisiting storyies which have a decent ending, plus blight seem to happen (correct me if im wrong) centuries apart) so really the grey warden will have nothing major to do for the rest of his/her life seen as wardens cant become involved in politics.

lol even though The First Warden is basicly King of the Anderfels?


will admit i didnt know that, buuuuut we find out as im sure you know in wardens keep the last time the wardens tryed it in Ferelden it led to them being slung out for a while.... which almost destroyed the entire world when the blight came along. But i dont know why im arguing tbh spose im just bored :(

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I expect Hawke to be our medieval Shepard, going forward.

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I have a strong feeling that Hawke will be the protagonist in the next several games.

But luckily, they are not working within the confines of a trilogy with DA, so a diverse set of protagonists in future games is possible.

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I hope not. I like new characters with new games unless it is specifically advertised as a series.

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i sure as **** hope not. games set in other regions have good potential to have different types of characters from those regions... plus hawke sounds british, which sucks.

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Like a lot of people already said, I think that we will play as Hawke in DA3, for about 5 or 7 years.

Then in DA4, we will play someone new. I personally hope to play a Crow, a Qunari, or someone from Tevinter.

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I really hope not. Mass Effect is about one character, why not have Dragon Age about something different?

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If they do not complete hawke's story in the main story (which seems vary likely) chances are they will finnish it in DLC like they did with the warden, while also setting up for the next dragon age game with a new character. I like this formula makes for an interesting narrative.

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If I could choose I'd want race choice back in DA3.

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That DLC logic didn't make any sense.

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I hope not. I want Dragon Age to move away from having to have to have a "recurring hero".

Modifié par Meltemph, 10 février 2011 - 12:02 .


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Theres nothing wrong with keeping one protagonist for more then one game as long as a Bioware tells the story they need to tell. I would say 3 games should be the absolute limit to spend on one character. Besides...Hawke is THE most important person that will EVER live apparently. So it's logical to assume we'll get at least a second game as Hawke. Who from a lore stand point is more important then a Grey Warden who could possibly be dead.

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kylecouch wrote...

Theres nothing wrong with keeping one protagonist for more then one game as long as a Bioware tells the story they need to tell. I would say 3 games should be the absolute limit to spend on one character. Besides...Hawke is THE most important person that will EVER live apparently.

They didn't say that, only that at a point in time Hawke is the most important person on Thedas.

Just like at a point in time the most important person was The Warden.

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kylecouch wrote...

Theres nothing wrong with keeping one protagonist for more then one game as long as a Bioware tells the story they need to tell. I would say 3 games should be the absolute limit to spend on one character. Besides...Hawke is THE most important person that will EVER live apparently. So it's logical to assume we'll get at least a second game as Hawke. Who from a lore stand point is more important then a Grey Warden who could possibly be dead.

I don't think so.

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Madman17 wrote...
will admit i didnt know that, buuuuut we find out as im sure you know in wardens keep the last time the wardens tryed it in Ferelden it led to them being slung out for a while.... which almost destroyed the entire world when the blight came along. But i dont know why im arguing tbh spose im just bored :(

Ah but see thats a different situation as I have said in many threads. Sophia was a cousin of the Theirins and had a claim to the throne. She lost that claim and was banished to the Wardens. When she took command of the Wardens she refused to accept her fate and challenge Arlands power. Many of the Wardens did not support this and left her in droves.

Where as The First Warden...and almost all of the Wardens in the Anderfels. Basicly control the Anderfels because they have a weak King. The First Warden rules through him as I understand it. Which is why in Awakening The First Warden sends Mistress Woolsey to Vigil's Keep. Because he was concerned about the political presedent of making Wardens appear important to the world regardless of Blights. The First Warden is very much caught up in politics which seems wrong to me...but what can you do really, hes The First Warden.

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AlexXIV wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Theres nothing wrong with keeping one protagonist for more then one game as long as a Bioware tells the story they need to tell. I would say 3 games should be the absolute limit to spend on one character. Besides...Hawke is THE most important person that will EVER live apparently. So it's logical to assume we'll get at least a second game as Hawke. Who from a lore stand point is more important then a Grey Warden who could possibly be dead.

I don't think so.

Really considering thats what Bioware was saying when they first announced him as the character? Thats been the ad campaign for ages now.

Modifié par kylecouch, 10 février 2011 - 12:06 .


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I doubt Hawke will be the protagonist for more than one game. I wouldn't be suprised if he/she returns as an important NPC in a later game however.

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Well, he certainly has more room for being a progantonist of future games, that's for sure. The Warden is, after all, a Grey Warden, so politically speaking, what he/she can do is fairly limited. Hawke, as he belongs to no specific organzation has more free room to move, so to speak, for future games...

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I hope not, i want a qunari main character. Although i do admit i want to see some continuity of Hawke and the Warden after DA2 is done maybe future allies, enemies, party members, political figures, fertilizer, the next Flemeth exc. depending on choices you made in DA:O and DA2.

Modifié par supremebloodwolf, 10 février 2011 - 12:18 .


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I hope so. I won't be pissed or anything if DA3 has a new main character, though, as long as it's human.

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An expansion, probably, maybe a sequel, but I don't think Hawke will be the main character of every Dragon Age game in the future.



Come to think of it, it'd be cool if the Dragon Age game franchise was spread across the full century, with saves carrying over with each sequel.