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[Captain_Obvious_au]

DRSH wrote...

Mass Effect 2, best RPG of the last 10 years? IDK, but it's the best Action-RPG I've ever played.

Actually ME2 is a Shooter-RPG, ME1 is an Action-RPG.

EDIT: spelling

Modifié par Captain_Obvious_au, 10 février 2011 - 01:36 .

[Phaedon]

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Mass Effect 2 is a hybrid, not a pure RPG, not that that disqualifies it. Who says that being the best RPG has to do with following the same old mechanics and not being the most enjoyable game categorized as an 'RPG' ?

[Phaedon]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...
Actually ME2 is a Shotter-RPG, ME1 is an Action-RPG.

Blasphemy!
ME1 is a hybrid shooter/RPG as well, it just sucked as a shooter.

[Fiery Phoenix]

They just call it an RPG for simplicity's sake. It's really an action/shooter-RPG.

[Kusy]

[Phaedon]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

They just call it an RPG for simplicity's sake. It's really an action/shooter-RPG.

Pretty much.

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Even better.

[exskeeny]

anybody whose opinion the article is wrong is right because opinions cannot be wrong but it is the writers opinion and opinions cannot be wrong if it is you're opinion that the article is wrong then you cannot be wrong because your opinion cannot be wrong.



I hope this clears everything up

[Da_Lion_Man]

Opinions...



Anyway, I'm a bit surprised that Demon's Souls is not mentioned anywhere in that article. To me it's the best RPG since Planescape. I played the game for about 250 hours and still not grown tired of it. Oh well... different strokes for different people.

[Whatever42]

It's funny, that most of what people regard as RPG mechanics, stats-based dice gaming, come about simply because Gary Gygax adopted tabletop wargamming into his roleplaying. But anyone who's done enough tabletop gaming (which is probably most of us) knows that what is written down on the character sheet is the least important and least interesting part about roleplaying.

If anything, it was just a way of personalizing your character. Strong like ox! Or quick and nimble with a dancing sword. And keep track of your progress. But the DM always scales the challenge. But every RPG I've played was really all about the story. It was interactive story-telling. Heck, I've sometimes not even really used dice.

Computers are obviously never going to replace the imagination and flexibility of a real DM - not anytime soon at any rate. But its still all about the story. That's why I don't regard some games like Fallout 3 highly. It focuses on the wargaming tactical experience and is weak on the interactive RP. But for me, the actual gameplay - whether shooting things with your mouse or rolling virtual dice to check against my THAC0 is just a secondary mechanic.

Obviously, many people feel very differently. They think that those mechanics are crucial to the definition of an RPG. We disagree. That's fine. I understand their viewpoint. I can only hope they understand mine. All I ask is that someone be allowed to call a game an RPG without someone else flipping out over it.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 10 février 2011 - 01:46 .

[Zeus_Deus]

spernus wrote...

Zeus_Deus wrote...

What are you talking about. Fallout 3 had a fantastic levelling system - vastly improved over Oblivion.

Nope,Fallout:New Vegas does it much better than Fallout 3.

The fact that you gain 1 perk every level make it so your character is overpowered when he's around 14-15.VATS is a bad replacement for the dice rolling combat of Fallout 1 & 2.It's completely brainless,devoided of any depth whatsoever and there's no skill involved as well.

Now,the Elder scroll V might finally have a decent leveling system along with good gameplay.When I played Bioshock,the first thing that came to my mind is that using a plasmid=how spells should be casted in the Elder's scroll.Bethesda saw the same thing so being a caster might finally be fun to play.   It's also good to see that jumping around like an idiot won't allow you to quickly powerlevel.It also seems that Bethesda was inspired by Demon's soul when it come to melee combat,so we might have something that actually take skill since we must properly time when to block an attack.

There are 59 regular perks in vanilla FO3. Even when you max out at level 20, that's only 1/3 of the total number of perks, and not all perks make your character overpowered.

VATS is brainless I agree, but people have a choice whether to use it or not and I'm guessing most people don't play FO3 in VATS. I personally switch to FPS view in combat. I only use VATS when the aim is difficult to judge like when using Fatman - so I dont waste precious nukes trying to judge the right flight path.

I thought Oblivion came out years before Demon's Souls.

[Slayer299]

Obviously The Bottom Line never played either Baldur's Gate 2 or Dragon Age Origins, because ME2 doesn't even come close to best RPG in a decade.

[Slayer299]

exskeeny wrote...

anybody whose opinion the article is wrong is right because opinions cannot be wrong but it is the writers opinion and opinions cannot be wrong if it is you're opinion that the article is wrong then you cannot be wrong because your opinion cannot be wrong.

I hope this clears everything up

I think it makes it crystal clear! 

[Encarmine]

Dunno, I would rate Dragon Age Origins over Mass Effect 2 in terms of 'RPGism'



Either way Bioware wins lol

[Kaldarm]

Saying ME2 isn't a RPG is harsh - it is, it's just not the best example of one IMO. It seems as though Bioware actually listened to the majority of complaints people had about ME1 (which I think we can all agree is a good thing) and then over-corrected them for ME2 (ditching inventory and character levelling for the "let's at least have something rather than nothing" approach they settled for).



ME2 is a good game but it's far from the best RPG in the last 10 years. Sure, it's one of the best cross-over games lately (for the masses) but there are a LOT of players that would rate ME1 as a better RPG (not a better game in general though). Hell, by the standards some have set and the way they've described what a RPG is, it would pretty much classify GTA:SA as a RPG.



For me, ME1, KotOR, Oblivion and DA:O are ALL better RPG's but that doesn't mean I think that they're better games in all. What it came down to for me was this; Upon completion of ME1 I couldn't wait to start it again as the character and get that Shep to lvl 60 and do the parts I missed the first time and also to start a new char and do it all totally differently. With ME2, I completed it and went back to ME1 to get a canon Char to put through both games - but only for it to be ready for ME3, not because I really wanted to experience all that much from ME2 again.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Gleym wrote...

The biggest spit in the face is the fact that Planescape: Torment was released in December of 1999 and that game is 100% raw roleplaying game above any other game out there. If there ever was a 'greatest RPG of all time', then it'd be Torment.

Oh, heck no.  P:T was a great game for it's time.  That time was brief.  The thread is what is best out of the last ten years... which is clearly ME2.  P:T suffers from the loot and inventory bordem issues that sink almost all of the old games.  Looking at P:T withouth the hazy lense of nostalgia, all you really see is a good story.  Everything else about that game is crap.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Zeus_Deus wrote...

What about Dragon Age? - that basically has a similar system to KoTOR, but much more evolved/improved.

Fair point, true.  ME2 is better than DAO because DAO sticks to the old fails:  Looting, a messy inventory, and slow gameplay.  That's why that junk appears to be gone in DA2!  DA2 versus ME2... now we've got a wrastlin' match on our hands.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

bjdbwea wrote...

Chaos Gate wrote...

Don't make me laugh. Mass Effect 2 isn't an RPG. It's not even a good sequel.

This. It might be a good shooter, but even there many better games exist. At least as far as the shooting aspect is concerned. I think that the people who rate ME 2 so highly are people who usually only play shooters. Because a shooter, or any game, with a real story and some nonlinearity is something completely new to them. But people who have played real RPGs before, especially previous BioWare games, can not ignore the numerous steps back in ME 2. A good RPG, let alone an evolution of the RPG genre, it is most certainly not.

All the steps in ME2 successfully brought the story =closer= to the player.  By "real RPGs" you mean the boring old spreadsheet games where you have to fiddle with gear and inventory for half an hour before you can actually play the game.  That's no good.  I recall spending half my play time in Gold Box engine games doing nothing but making sure my characters were ready to go into a battle.  That's a wall between player and story.  ME2 looks at how shooters stories (such as they are!) and shooter action fit literally hand and glove.... and uses that genre to thin the wall of bordem in old RPGs.  Old RPGs are dead.  ME2 is the best RPG of the last ten years because it =fixed= RPGs. 

:D:D

To see the steps ME2 to improve RPGs as steps =back= then what you really miss are the boring loot fests, the spreadsheet equipment min/maxing, and the dull days.  Most people aren't after that.

[Ulzeraj]

Gleym wrote...

As for this list of best RPGs? If we're talking in the past ten years, wouldn't that stand to name Baldur's Gate II and its expansion, Throne of Bhaal for that title? Y'know, an ACTUAL RPG, with a much longer, more in-depth story, better characters, more quests that have merit and decisions?

ToB is 2001 but its an expansion of a 2000 game. ME only had the chance to get this one because Torment is 1999 imo. They were clever to wait 10 years ahead of Torment to decide whats the best RPG of the decade. Earlier attempts resulted in missing personel... probably caged by the Lady of Pain.

[_Somebody]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Zeus_Deus wrote...

What about Dragon Age? - that basically has a similar system to KoTOR, but much more evolved/improved.

Fair point, true.  ME2 is better than DAO because DAO sticks to the old fails:  Looting, a messy inventory, and slow gameplay.  That's why that junk appears to be gone in DA2!  DA2 versus ME2... now we've got a wrastlin' match on our hands.

DA2 still has an inventory. 

[Ulzeraj]

Somebody wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Zeus_Deus wrote...

What about Dragon Age? - that basically has a similar system to KoTOR, but much more evolved/improved.

Fair point, true.  ME2 is better than DAO because DAO sticks to the old fails:  Looting, a messy inventory, and slow gameplay.  That's why that junk appears to be gone in DA2!  DA2 versus ME2... now we've got a wrastlin' match on our hands.

DA2 still has an inventory. 

Oh god why can't they do inventories like good old Neverwinter or diablo style? Having no inventory is preferable than DA/ME1 styled inventory. But hey... is console friendly. Hah!

Modifié par Ulzeraj, 10 février 2011 - 04:37 .

[Dominus]

Stop bickering everyone. Seriously...

You could call madden 09' an RPG - In fact, Todd Howard mentioned in a gameinformer video interview that he classifies it as the "Ultimate RPG". a team of 10+ characters, all with varying stats? My point is the majority of critics seem to think it's the best in its genre, it isn't saying that it's "The most RPGish of the decade". Please place your giant signs attached to picket fences and place them on the table. Thank you for visiting the Bioware Social Network forums.

Modifié par DominusVita, 10 février 2011 - 04:45 .

[Elvis_Mazur]

So what? The article doesn't force anyone to agree with it. It will not even change some people minds.



I really don't know how can anyone be pissed about it.

[Phaedon]

Chaos Gate wrote...

Don't make me laugh. Mass Effect 2 isn't an RPG. It's not even a good sequel.

DominusVita wrote...

Stop bickering everyone. Seriously... 

You could call madden 09' an RPG - In fact, Todd Howard mentioned in a gameinformer video interview that he classifies it as the "Ultimate RPG"(I'll link it in an edit if I can). a team of 10+ characters, all with varying stats? My point is the majority of critics seem to think it's the best in its genre, it isn't saying that it's "The most RPGish of the decade". Please place your giant signs attached to picket fences and place them on the table. Thank you for visiting the Bioware Social Network forums.

Oh snap.

Modifié par Phaedon, 10 février 2011 - 04:44 .

[_Somebody]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
 ME2 is the best RPG of the last ten years because it =fixed= RPGs. 

Again, thats your opinion. <_<<_<<_<

[Ulzeraj]

Phaedon wrote...

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...
Actually ME2 is a Shotter-RPG, ME1 is an Action-RPG.

Blasphemy!
ME1 is a hybrid shooter/RPG as well, it just sucked as a shooter.

Blame accuracy stat.