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[Jenova65]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

No? Cos that would be unfair? You mean like how male Shepard has two choices and female Shepard has one (and please do not tell me, a heterosexual woman. that Liara is an option to me, unless you can show me evidence that she is packing a pork sword along with that womanly bosom....................................... <_<) 
Sorry, sorry........................ I'll get me coat  It is just that why would it be such a terrible thing for the female gamer to get more choices for once?
As it happens you are probably right, history shows us that the male gamer always gets more.
Either way, I am really looking forward to the game and have pre ordered two signature editions (PS3 and 360)  and have had money sidelined for ages for it! 
ETA - Also - What Saibh said! 

Hey, I'm a gal too and I'm not saying it's fair, I've just learned to be satisfied with the fact that the best girls are going to get is equality, I doubt anyone at BW has even considered giving women gamers -more- LIs than men, their primary target audience. Basically, we're lucky they even decided to give us the same amount of LIs, it seems.

I think Fenris is a shoo-in, he seems like Thane, tailor made to appeal to women with his sensitive tragicness and mystery. Which makes me all the more anxious for Anders.

PS: Regardless of the whole argument there, I love that Varric GIF. ::instant save!::

The best we are going to get is not equality, we should be glad our existence is even acknowledged  
You did get that my post was intended to be lighthearted, right? I use smileys so people can see my intent is not to rile  
To be fair, I do love that BioWare cater for female gamers, so many companies don't, so massive props to them for that and I love them for it. But please stop giving men two women to pick from and giving me one woman and one man. That girl on girl fantasy is all it is dudes.............
I haven't really given thought to who would be my preference for LI in DA II although Fenris looks like the 'intense', type, iykwim?  all dark, brooding and passionate (rubbish in RL of course but for fantasy..... mmmmm  ) I am not really interested in the hairy dwarf...........  (I like the hair, it is the height that bugs me, I am short but still like tall men so.............)

[Jenova65]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I was looking forward to a tough female romance option who could break male!hawke like a twig! Kinda like Zoe and Wash in Firefly.

Seems like romance options for male characters have to be non-warriors or elves. Part of me keeps wondering if that's because guys don't want (or marketing thinks guys don't want) romance options who can be perceived as physically stronger than they are.

I'm not complaining about Aveline in particular, just the ongoing trend.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, what d'you have to go and mention Wash for? :crying: 

[Dellingr]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I was looking forward to a tough female romance option who could break male!hawke like a twig! Kinda like Zoe and Wash in Firefly.

Seems like romance options for male characters have to be non-warriors or elves. Part of me keeps wondering if that's because guys don't want (or marketing thinks guys don't want) romance options who can be perceived as physically stronger than they are.

I'm not complaining about Aveline in particular, just the ongoing trend.

well, if you go back quite a bit in time, bioware have done female warrior LIs in the past, Bastila from KotOR was a jedi sentinel (the finesse and skill jedi rather than the strength and HP jedi, admittedly, but all jedi are warriors of one kind or another, and she had double-bladed saber, which is ridiculously cool IMO) and would hold her own very well in melee combat

[Jenova65]

Dellingr wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I was looking forward to a tough female romance option who could break male!hawke like a twig! Kinda like Zoe and Wash in Firefly.

Seems like romance options for male characters have to be non-warriors or elves. Part of me keeps wondering if that's because guys don't want (or marketing thinks guys don't want) romance options who can be perceived as physically stronger than they are.

I'm not complaining about Aveline in particular, just the ongoing trend.

well, if you go back quite a bit in time, bioware have done female warrior LIs in the past, Bastila from KotOR was a jedi sentinel (the finesse and skill jedi rather than the strength and HP jedi, admittedly, but all jedi are warriors of one kind or another, and she had double-bladed saber, which is ridiculously cool IMO) and would hold her own very well in melee combat

I don't know if I missed the point of Bastila as a woman, but jeez, I wanted to smack her in the mouth, so badly.........
She gives my (always) Jedi such a hard time standing there being all pious and smug and condescending like, and then first bit of torture..... pufffffffft - brainwashed. Joke's on you Bastila............ 

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

@Dellingr: I haven't played KOTOR, but just your description of her being a finesse-based jedi rather than a strength-based jedi makes me automatically think 'Rogue rather than Warrior'. I know Bioware has has female fighters in the past--Jade Empire had two, but Dawn Star was a mystic peasant girl and Silk Fox was a freakin' princess/rogue. ;D So while they are fighters, yes, they are not *tanks*.



@Jenova65: "I am a leaf on the wind..." :_;

[Dellingr]

Jenova65 wrote...

I don't know if I missed the point of Bastila as a woman, but jeez, I wanted to smack her in the mouth, so badly.........
She gives my (always) Jedi such a hard time standing there being all pious and smug and condescending like, and then first bit of torture..... pufffffffft - brainwashed. Joke's on you Bastila............ 

Yes, she was very very sanctimonious, after finishing the game I realised it was a defense mechanism to cover up  her inexperience and uncertainties. She desperately wants to be the zen, collected jedi warrior who always knows what to do and has no doubts about the jedi's teachings, but she's really really not  so of course she takes it out on you while compensating by projecting an exaggerated holier-than-thou jedi exterior.

Yeah, I can definitely see how she'd feel a little pointless to a women or maybe just if I'd done a playthrough as a female character, without the sensitive moments of admitting your niceness is getting to her you'd be left with just the sanctimonious projection

[Dellingr]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

@Dellingr: I haven't played KOTOR, but just your description of her being a finesse-based jedi rather than a strength-based jedi makes me automatically think 'Rogue rather than Warrior'. I know Bioware has has female fighters in the past--Jade Empire had two, but Dawn Star was a mystic peasant girl and Silk Fox was a freakin' princess/rogue. ;D So while they are fighters, yes, they are not *tanks*.

@Jenova65: "I am a leaf on the wind..." :_;

yeah, Sentinels are definitely the rogue-type jedi, though Bastila's presented in a warriorlike way, actually her importance is all about her Battle Meditation, which is an Informed Ability she has to make everyone around her fight better, up to the entire republic fleet in a space battle. Though it's the double-saber that sells the fighter aspect of her to me

You're quite right though, we haven't really had a female tank LI, they've always been rogue-type characters or mages

[Jenova65]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

@Dellingr: I haven't played KOTOR, but just your description of her being a finesse-based jedi rather than a strength-based jedi makes me automatically think 'Rogue rather than Warrior'. I know Bioware has has female fighters in the past--Jade Empire had two, but Dawn Star was a mystic peasant girl and Silk Fox was a freakin' princess/rogue. ;D So while they are fighters, yes, they are not *tanks*.

@Jenova65: "I am a leaf on the wind..." :_;

I am a placid person but she really grinds my gears, lol...

[Jenova65]

Dellingr wrote...

Yes, she was very very sanctimonious, after finishing the game I realised it was a defense mechanism to cover up  her inexperience and uncertainties. She desperately wants to be the zen, collected jedi warrior who always knows what to do and has no doubts about the jedi's teachings, but she's really really not  so of course she takes it out on you while compensating by projecting an exaggerated holier-than-thou jedi exterior.

Yeah, I can definitely see how she'd feel a little pointless to a women or maybe just if I'd done a playthrough as a female character, without the sensitive moments of admitting your niceness is getting to her you'd be left with just the sanctimonious projection

Yep............................................... pretty much!
It actually is a genuine issue, imo, that you can't be friends with someone BioWare has classed as a LI 

Modifié par Jenova65, 10 février 2011 - 12:47 .

[Dellingr]

Jenova65 wrote...

Yep............................................... pretty much!
It actually is a genuine issue, imo, that you can't be friends with someone BioWare has classed as a LI 

It is, the biggest situation in which it's been a problem for me was when Jack began telling me to f**k off after I started romancing Tali (yes, yes, I'm sometimes one of them)

although Garrus having virtually no conversations if you're a male Shep also made our beautiful bromance difficult to roleplay outside my imagination

[HoonDing]

Buzzwords galore.

well, if you go back quite a bit in time, bioware have done
female warrior LIs in the past, Bastila from KotOR was a jedi sentinel
(the finesse and skill jedi rather than the strength and HP jedi,
admittedly, but all jedi are warriors of one kind or another, and she
had double-bladed saber, which is ridiculously cool IMO) and would hold
her own very well in melee combat

Or how about Jaheira. She was a fighter/druid who blew hot and cold and didn't take crap from anyone.

Modifié par virumor, 10 février 2011 - 01:15 .

[Jenova65]

Dellingr wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Yep............................................... pretty much!
It actually is a genuine issue, imo, that you can't be friends with someone BioWare has classed as a LI 

It is, the biggest situation in which it's been a problem for me was when Jack began telling me to f**k off after I started romancing Tali (yes, yes, I'm sometimes one of them)

although Garrus having virtually no conversations if you're a male Shep also made our beautiful bromance difficult to roleplay outside my imagination

Jack's a real tool if you play femshep, I really feel like I am missing out. Why can you only break her walls down if you are romancing her? I would have thought to be perfectly honest, that she needs a good friend more than she needs a lover!
And lol, at the Tali comment 

[Annarl]

Xeyska wrote...

I'm glad she isn't one. It was pretty obvious that Aveline wasn't a romance option anyway, the Devs hinted a lot on that.

Losing your spouse in the game is a bit of a romance killer.  So really as a LI she doesn't make a lot of sense unless it was only available later in the game.  Once time has past, it will be interesting to see how time will pass.

Modifié par omearaee, 10 février 2011 - 05:56 .

[Annarl]

Dellingr wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Yep............................................... pretty much!
It actually is a genuine issue, imo, that you can't be friends with someone BioWare has classed as a LI 

It is, the biggest situation in which it's been a problem for me was when Jack began telling me to f**k off after I started romancing Tali (yes, yes, I'm sometimes one of them)

although Garrus having virtually no conversations if you're a male Shep also made our beautiful bromance difficult to roleplay outside my imagination

Friendships dialogues in ME2 was seriously missing.  Just too many npc i guess to write for.  I can never do the Jack romance as MShep to me she's just to messed up.  She needs help, a friend more than anything else well in my opinion. 

[The Bard From Hell]

Regarding the whole romances stuff: am I the only one that get's the impression Fenris might not be a LI? I mean, he freaks out when someone touches him and has the nice habit of phasing through people wgi touch him in the shoulder. My bets are on Varric and Anders, with Varric being the bi guy. Just because Fenris is an elf dosn't mean he's onto guys! (note to self: write a tale about a very manly elf).

[Marionetten]

The Bard From Hell wrote...

Regarding the whole romances stuff: am I the only one that get's the impression Fenris might not be a LI? I mean, he freaks out when someone touches him and has the nice habit of phasing through people wgi touch him in the shoulder.

Doesn't this just make him more likely to be an LI? 

[Jzadek72]

Druss99 wrote...

I foresee this Irish and Welsh accent thing causing me to have immersion problems.

...Why? Those accents do exist, you know.

Modifié par Jzadek72, 10 février 2011 - 04:49 .

[Ramus Quaritch]

Mark Darrah, you're messing with my zen thing, man.

Modifié par Ramus Quaritch, 10 février 2011 - 05:11 .

[Ramus Quaritch]

I would have liked to be able to romance Aveline, but have it be the hardest romance to do. It would not be easily accessible like Zevran or any of the LI's in ME. I would have it so there wouldn't be any flirtation dialog in the beginning that would automatically set you on the romance path (or she would respond negatively to it if there was). You would have to try to romance her and it would only come to fruition much much later in the game after you've built a strong friendship with her. I think that would make the romance more meaningful.

[Yrkoon]

virumor wrote...

Buzzwords galore.

well, if you go back quite a bit in time, bioware have done
female warrior LIs in the past, Bastila from KotOR was a jedi sentinel
(the finesse and skill jedi rather than the strength and HP jedi,
admittedly, but all jedi are warriors of one kind or another, and she
had double-bladed saber, which is ridiculously cool IMO) and would hold
her own very well in melee combat

Or how about Jaheira. She was a fighter/druid who blew hot and cold and didn't take crap from anyone.

And Jahiera has added relevance to this discussion,  since, just like Aveline, Her husband was killed.

[VanDraegon]

Good info, thanks for the link.

[Cylan Cooper]

...Aveline not a romance option?



It's awesome being right about something (snarky response: That *is* a rare thing, yes.)

[panamakira]

And here I thought Aveline was not that interesting but now my curiosity is getting the best of me. I have to say that I'm very much impressed with the DA2 characters so far, the in-depth and twists some of them seem to have and I hope Bioware delivers.



I think it's fair to say for those worried the new characters weren't going to be as interesting as Origins have something to look forward to.

[Altima Darkspells]

Jenova65 wrote...

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, what d'you have to go and mention Wash for? :crying: 

Curse your sudden yet inevitable betrayal!

[TheHawkeWhoFlies]

Shame, I thought she was pretty despite what many people said. Still, it's also cool to have a woman roughly the same age as you that doesn't fall for you the moment you show your face, makes things more realistic :3



Seems this also means Varric's not an option...Aimo's not going to be happy about that, judging by the amount of Varric-art she's produced D: