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Requiem of a Reaper: Official Clint Mansell Thread V2


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ATimson wrote...

I liked the ME1 soundtrack so much I bought it twice (first as a digital download, then I upgraded to a CD). Then I bought the ME2 soundtrack without having played the game.

But between the new composer and the loss of Drew Karpyshyn's pen, I'm really thinking that ME3 is going to continue the downward slide started by ME2.


well... technically Drew already wrote the plot, But for now he's working on SWTOR so they are putting someone else on Mass Effect for the details. If the new one follow what Drew made, we should be fine... and he's still on backup.

Modifié par Haristo, 11 février 2011 - 12:28 .


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News like this just makes me worried and unhappy. I'll just try not to think about ME3 until we get some teasers with the new music.

Don't really have my hopes up for it to be good though.


I'll help ease your worry.

ME Romance music:

Stay With Me
Together We Will Live Forever

And let's stay with the same musical theme and drag the romance into a more dangerous territory:

Tree of Life

Or let's go into space in an upbeat way:

Welcome to Lunar Industries

Or kind of creepy space with a bit of driving fear behind it:

Sacrifice
We're going Home
Tense
Pi R2

Or just straight up insanity:

Meltdown

Or something that is just a stunningly beautiful piece of music that encompasses all of the above:

Death is the Road to Awe

The top rated comment on this song just went from a hilarious "It starts to suck after 8:26" (the length of the song) to people raving about how Clint is doing the ME3 soundtrack.  In fact you'll find all his popular songs now have comments on people being uber excited about him doing ME3.

The guy has great talent, particularly for taking a theme and building it through a whole project.  Everyone should be psyched that BW got Clint Mansell to do this score.  It's going to be epic.  Imagine the end of Death is the Road to Awe as you finally defeat the Reapers. 

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Silmane wrote...

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Serious question. Did you play Mass Effect 1? 


No.  I've just listened the songs people keep mentioning from the soundtrack.  I've played through ME2 a few times now though.

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Haristo wrote...

ATimson wrote...

I liked the ME1 soundtrack so much I bought it twice (first as a digital download, then I upgraded to a CD). Then I bought the ME2 soundtrack without having played the game.

But between the new composer and the loss of Drew Karpyshyn's pen, I'm really thinking that ME3 is going to continue the downward slide started by ME2.


well... technically Drew already wrote the plot, But for now he's working on SWTOR so they are putting someone else on Mass Effect for the details. If the new one follow what Drew made, we should be fine... and he's still on backup.


This comes from Drew's website.

The sequel to the award winning 2007 game was released in January of 2010. ME2 blew away critics and fans alike, and became EA’s highest MetaCritic rated game.  I was the co-lead writer on Mass Effect 2, along with Mac Walters, and it was great to see the franchise continuing to grow, evolve and mature. Right from day one we said the Mass Effect series was going to be a trilogy, so even though both ME1 and ME2 have self-contained stories, you know the big finale is still to come!

So, I don't get all the hate on Mac Walters. ME3 will be fine. 

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Capeo wrote...

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Serious question. Did you play Mass Effect 1? 


No.  I've just listened the songs people keep mentioning from the soundtrack.  I've played through ME2 a few times now though.


Tell me you are joking.

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Had-to-say wrote...

Capeo wrote...

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Serious question. Did you play Mass Effect 1? 


No.  I've just listened the songs people keep mentioning from the soundtrack.  I've played through ME2 a few times now though.


Tell me you are joking.


Yeah, you're right.  Almost 100 hours of hearing a soundtrack is certainly not enough to judge it's merits.  Please.  And all I've heard of ME1 sounds like ME2.  So what, does it take 600 hours for the soundtrack to suddenly click?   Or to suddenly make Wall a composer on par with Mansell?  

Modifié par Capeo, 11 février 2011 - 12:56 .


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To be honest I would have been happier if Trent Reznor/Gary Numan were doing the soundtrack for ME3.

Now that would have been epic and still kept the feel of the Wall/Hulick stuff.

Listened to Mansell's stuff thoroughly this evening and totally unimpressed. Hopefully he will rework the original ME1 and ME2 soundtracks and not start totally from scratch.

EA/ Bioware should have hired Mansell for the next trilogy of ME games and left ME3 for Jack Wall to complete.

Oh and please stop talking like Mansell is on par with John Williams or Howard Shore. He is very much beneath them as seen from their resumes compared to his.

Modifié par vaultboy101, 11 février 2011 - 01:05 .


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I find my supposition no more disagreeable than buying what we're told as dogmatic truth.  Nor did I say it would stink.  And again that's smoke and mirrors to what I have been saying.   And yes, I know Wall had a team, but I'm not going to keep specifying that and you're beginning to sound like that scene in "Life of Brian" where one guy is reading the rules and Eric Idle keeps interjecting "...or her."   I have said from my original post:

1. Narrative continuity in music is as important as plot, character, and other creative contributions in the ME trilogy.

2. Replacing the composer for the first two games with another (no matter how talented) for the third is a poor creative decision because you lose that narrative continuity. 

And I can reasonably state it because Mansell is not Wall.  There's no getting around that.  Mansell will be informed by his own creative processes, and those are different from Wall's.  No matter the kind of job he does tying in the previous two games, it is like backwards compatibility more than Wall's original score representing an ongoing forward process. 

As great a job as Brandon Sanderson is doing finishing off The Wheel of Time, he is not Robert Jordan.  No matter how good a job he does, we will never have that full series of Jordan's vision that fans of the Wheel of Time would like to have had.  Musically, this is the same case.  Wall started something that he will not be able to finish, for whatever reason.  Mansell may do a fine job, but the trilogy is a lesser experience for Wall's (*cough* and his team's) absence. 


Taking what the guy says as probably true, isn't the same as accepting it blindly as gospel truth; nor is suspecting that it's a cover-up the same as stating, as if it's a fact, that he's lying.  You don't have to accept Wall's statement as gospel truth, but you don't have to claim he's lying, either...

As for Brandon Sanderson - his work for Wheel of Time isn't an indication of how good Clint Mansell's work will be, because it's not an example of Clint Mansell's experience in a similar situation.  You can't predict, based on a completely different composer, how Clint Mansell's work will be for ME3.  Like I said, one purple person being a jerk, doesn't mean they all are.

In any case, Clint Mansell is now the composer, like it or not.  Given that this is now the point we're at, do you really think it's a good idea to approach ME3 with the looking glass you currently have?  Because if you do, then your mind is probably going to be so eager to see inconsistency where there is none, that it will all be amplified a thousand times and you won't be able to appreciate anything good about it.  Which would be a shame if his work for the game turns out not only to be consistent with the series (which it certainly could be, and I have muchos faith it will), but also some of the best in the series. 

Personally I'm glad about this news, and much of my concerns about ME3's direction have been alleviated by this :)

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Capeo wrote...

Had-to-say wrote...

Capeo wrote...

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Capeo wrote...
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Serious question. Did you play Mass Effect 1? 


No.  I've just listened the songs people keep mentioning from the soundtrack.  I've played through ME2 a few times now though.


Tell me you are joking.


Yeah, you're right.  Almost 100 hours of hearing a soundtrack is certainly not enough to judge it's merits.  Please.  And all I've heard of ME1 sounds like ME2.  So what, does it take 600 hours for the soundtrack to suddenly click?   Or to suddenly make Wall a composer on par with Mansell?  



But you have to agree there is a entire notion of sentimental narrative associated with music and how it relates to the history of characters. " Every super hero needs his theme music". You have no history with Shepard you have offended my family and you have offended the Shaolin Temple. You have insult Wall for four pages and you haven't even experienced his music the way it was intended.

Please do not post in this thread again.

Modifié par Had-to-say, 11 février 2011 - 01:15 .


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Damn! ME3 is gonna go H.A.M.



I ain't ready!

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Capeo wrote...
 And all I've heard of ME1 sounds like ME2. 

wat :mellow:




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Screw embedding. 

Love this one.

Modifié par Silmane, 11 février 2011 - 01:28 .


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Had-to-say wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Had-to-say wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Silmane wrote...

Capeo wrote...
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Serious question. Did you play Mass Effect 1? 


No.  I've just listened the songs people keep mentioning from the soundtrack.  I've played through ME2 a few times now though.


Tell me you are joking.


Yeah, you're right.  Almost 100 hours of hearing a soundtrack is certainly not enough to judge it's merits.  Please.  And all I've heard of ME1 sounds like ME2.  So what, does it take 600 hours for the soundtrack to suddenly click?   Or to suddenly make Wall a composer on par with Mansell?  



But you have to agree there is a entire notion of sentimental narrative associated with music and how it relates to the history of characters. " Every super hero needs his theme music". You have no history with Shepard you have offended my family and you have offended the Shaolin Temple. You have insult Wall for four pages and you haven't even experienced his music the way it was intended.

Please do not post in this thread again.



LOL!  While I love your Shaolin stylings I'd have to disagree with your lack of experience accusation.  Afterall listening is listening.  It's all there to hear.  I do agree with your idea of having a common theme and I'm pretty sure you can feel comfortable that Mansell will continue with that theme.  That's his style.  His soundtracks build on the themes he establishes.  He's not going to throw out what's already been established.   

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Mansell will do. Hey, I'm an optimist.

The likeliest reasons for why Jack Wall is off ME 3 are:

A) Jack Wall asked for too much money.

B) Jack Wall flaked out...for whatever reason.

C) Both of the above.

D) The conspiracy theory is that Wall's public criticism of being given insuffcient time to compose the score for ME 2 relegated him to B). But that's just a crazy rumor.

Modifié par Legbiter, 11 février 2011 - 01:37 .


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Oh and please stop talking like Mansell is on par with John Williams or Howard Shore. He is very much beneath them as seen from their resumes compared to his.


Yes, you are right.  Mansell's resume is shorter than two men who are twice his age.  Shocking that.

And bringing them up, particularly is funny, considering their career arcs are very similar to Mansell's.  They both started by working consistently with the same director.  So, after thirty more years, and more and more critically lauded and Oscar nominated and winning films Mansell is connected to, you can then feel free to compare their careers.

And with that, I have to go watch Ray Allen break the 3 pointer record.

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This...is going to be...epic! Honestly, for a final chapter...its perfect....Wall needed to leave in my opinion. He lost the Mass Effect touch...now all we need is some epic piano/trance-like Mass Effect feel added with Mansell and this game will flourish to a majestic level.

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vaultboy101 wrote...

To be honest I would have been happier if Trent Reznor/Gary Numan were doing the soundtrack for ME3.

Now that would have been epic and still kept the feel of the Wall/Hulick stuff.

Listened to Mansell's stuff thoroughly this evening and totally unimpressed. Hopefully he will rework the original ME1 and ME2 soundtracks and not start totally from scratch.

EA/ Bioware should have hired Mansell for the next trilogy of ME games and left ME3 for Jack Wall to complete.

Oh and please stop talking like Mansell is on par with John Williams or Howard Shore. He is very much beneath them as seen from their resumes compared to his.


Thoroughly unimpressed? Well you seem to be in the minority, as most regard him as one of the best movie composers today. When and if(As I believe it will) ME3's soundtrack blows away the other two, I will laugh in the face of the skeptics.

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From Wikipedia: Clint's scoring credits



* Pi, 1998

* Requiem for a Dream, 2000

* World Traveler, 2001

* The Hole, 2001

* Knockaround Guys, 2001

* Rain, 2001

* Abandon, 2002

* Murder by Numbers, 2002

* Sonny, 2002

* The Hire: Ticker, 2002

* 11:14, 2003

* Suspect Zero, 2004

* Sahara, 2005

* Doom, 2005

* The Fountain, 2006

* Trust the Man, 2006

* Smokin' Aces, 2006

* Wind Chill, 2007

* In The Wall, 2007

* Definitely, Maybe, 2008

* The Wrestler, 2008

* Blood: The Last Vampire, 2009

* Moon, 2009

* L'affaire Farewell, 2009

* The Rebound, 2010

* Black Swan, 2010

* Last Night, 2010

* Faster, 2010

* Mass Effect 3, 2011 (TBA)

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Legbiter wrote...

The likeliest reasons for why Jack Wall is off ME 3 are:

A) Jack Wall asked for too much money.

B) Jack Wall flaked out...for whatever reason.

C) Both of the above.

D) The conspiracy theory is that Wall's public criticism of being given insuffcient time to compose the score for ME 2 relegated him to B). But that's just a crazy rumor.


http://www.eurogamer...ins-me3-absence

Yeah...

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I'd rather Two Steps From Hell than Clint.



I will miss Jack, purely because I associate Mass Effect with his style of music.

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It was just time to move on. I'm working on some very exciting projects and look forward to when I can announce them, but also very much wish the dev team at BioWare all the best on ME3.




Umm yeah, I thought so. People really need to stop jumping to conclusions - it doesn't make sense for BioWare to drop him all of a sudden.

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It was just time to move on. I'm working on some very exciting projects and look forward to when I can announce them, but also very much wish the dev team at BioWare all the best on ME3.


So he left on his own accord.  That is good to know.

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Babli wrote...

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 And all I've heard of ME1 sounds like ME2. 

wat :mellow:



Along with Vigil, this is the best of the ME1 Soundtrack

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Keltoris wrote...

I'd rather Two Steps From Hell than Clint.

I will miss Jack, purely because I associate Mass Effect with his style of music.


Now that would be epic for sure.  I'd wish Jack Wall would have finished off the trilogy, but the fact is Clint Mansell is composing.  I'm optimistic.  I'm sure at E3 we'll get a hint of what's to come, would be even greater sooner.

Best of luck to Jack Wall and his team.

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I have seen Smokin Aces.  Admitingly it is a hit or miss movie depending your tastes but the music was very well done and complimented the scenes quite well.  The build up at the climax/end of the movie was very provocative (quite frankly it is one of the best movie endings I have seen).

So I feel Mansell will do a good job.