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[goatman42]

The important thing it that they keep a lot of the main Mass effect themes in the game. Stuff like the opening theme of ME1, the romance theme, the galaxy map (I swear to god if thats different...)
Mansell is welcome to experiment as long as he doesn't go too of the rails.

This track is a great example. Its something new taht still uses elements from the previous games' tracks.

[Silmane]

AwesomeName wrote...

JediNg wrote...

I wasn't even trying to argue.

Okay, that's fine, dude.  But rather than despairing for no good reason, go watch The Fountain - that's probably his best work.  Moon was very atmospheric, but the Fountain was, imho, epic-love-space-opera poetry.  Which means nothing to 50% of the people who watch that film.  But to the other half it doesn't - it's hauntingly beautiful.

You realize getting people to listen to his other work makes it worse, right? They want to hear ME stuff in his work. They aren't going to find it, no, but that's what they want. Otherwise it's just "He can't do it, ME3 is doomed." 

[marshalleck]

I'm really surprised by this, but Mansell's work on Moon was pretty solid. As long as he respects that Mass Effect has an established identity already and doesn't take it in an entirely different direction, I imagine it will be an amazing OST.

[habitat 67]

Shouldn't be overthought anyways. Thank the old guys (cause they awesome) and make way for the new. ME3's gonna be dark, darker than a glass of sarsaparilla on a moonless night.

[Silmane]

AwesomeName wrote...

Silmane wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

Okay, that's fine, dude.  But rather than despairing for no good reason, go watch The Fountain - that's probably his best work.  Moon was very atmospheric, but the Fountain was, imho, epic-love-space-opera poetry.  Which means nothing to 50% of the people who watch that film.  But to the other half it doesn't - it's hauntingly beautiful.

You realize getting people to listen to his other work makes it worse, right? They want to hear ME stuff in his work. They aren't going to find it, no, but that's what they want. Otherwise it's just "He can't do it, ME3 is doomed." 

Yes, I've noticed some people have this problem - all I can say to that is that they shouldn't be looking at how similar those scores are to ME (they're not meant to), but how appropriate they are for the films they're for (hence I suggested he watch the movie, not just listen to the soundtrack).

I've tried explaining this twice before:

http://social.biowar...13103/2#6024362
http://social.biowar...13103/2#6023963

Trust me, you've done a good job of it. I, myself, was in a blind rage when this news first hit and over the course of all these pages, I think ME3 will be fine with Clint. 

Some people won't change, no matter what. You get props, though, for trying and trying. 

[Les_Carver]

I like Clint... I just hope he manages to incorporate his epic melodies to some of the tunes both Jack Wall and Sam Hullick composed, because even if they weren't as talented and hyped as he is, they created some staple tunes for ME and they should be respected and possibly remixed, like the "Suicide Mission" theme (IMO)

Sad to hear neither of them will stay

[killingsheep24]

lol'ing at people that think Jack Wall comes close to Mansell.

Sorry but Clint Mansell is light years beyond previous bioware composers.

[RocShemp]

killingsheep24 wrote...

lol'ing at people that think Jack Wall comes close to Mansell.
Sorry but Clint Mansell is light years beyond previous bioware composers.

As I said in another forum, there's no denying Clint Mansell is a fantastic choice. It's just a shame they gave Jack Wall, Sam Hulick, Richard Jacques, David Kates and Jimmy Hinson the boot after they'd done such a great job with Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. I would have rather Clint Mansell be collaborating with them than having replaced them entirely.

That gripe aside, I'm sure I'll adore whatever he has in store for Mass Effect 3.

[Silmane]

RocShemp wrote...

killingsheep24 wrote...

lol'ing at people that think Jack Wall comes close to Mansell.
Sorry but Clint Mansell is light years beyond previous bioware composers.

As I said in another forum, there's no denying Clint Mansell is a fantastic choice. It's just a shame they gave Jack Wall, Sam Hulick, Richard Jacques, David Kates and Jimmy Hinson the boot after they'd done such a great job with Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. I would have rather Clint Mansell be collaborating with them than having replaced them entirely.

That gripe aside, I'm sure I'll adore whatever he has in store for Mass Effect 3.

is there proof that Bioware gave them the boot? Jack Wall explained in an interview that he left on his own. 

[Terror_K]

I get that you're a Mansell fanboy, AwesomeName, and I can respect that, but that doesn't automatically mean that Mansell is going to be a good fit for Mass Effect. My favourite video game composer of all time is Chris Huelsbeck and I love his work, which during the era he most worked in (late 80's to early 90's) was extraordinary compared to much of the competition. I think he's absolutely brilliant, but I don't think he would automatically suit Mass Effect just because I'm a massive fan of his work.

Proof is in the pudding. I'm actually hoping we hear something Mass Effect related from Mansell sooner rather than later to see what he can do for the series. Again, I still feel the best thing he can do is to make us not even notice he's come in and that Jack Wall and co. have left.

Modifié par Terror_K, 13 février 2011 - 08:54 .

[StElmo]

killingsheep24 wrote...

lol'ing at people that think Jack Wall comes close to Mansell.
Sorry but Clint Mansell is light years beyond previous bioware composers.

Lol, that's so soooo subjective. You can't state that as fact.

[Capeo]

Silmane wrote...

RocShemp wrote...

killingsheep24 wrote...

lol'ing at people that think Jack Wall comes close to Mansell.
Sorry but Clint Mansell is light years beyond previous bioware composers.

As I said in another forum, there's no denying Clint Mansell is a fantastic choice. It's just a shame they gave Jack Wall, Sam Hulick, Richard Jacques, David Kates and Jimmy Hinson the boot after they'd done such a great job with Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. I would have rather Clint Mansell be collaborating with them than having replaced them entirely.

That gripe aside, I'm sure I'll adore whatever he has in store for Mass Effect 3.

is there proof that Bioware gave them the boot? Jack Wall explained in an interview that he left on his own. 

I think Wall and Co. are just keeping it classy.  Honestly, do you really think Wall would willingly walk away from the biggest gig of his career by far?  A gig he already scored the first two games of?  I highly, highly doubt it.  This is the entertainment industry.  He either wanted more money than BW was willing to pay for him or BW wanted to go in a different direction from the start of ME3.  I have the feeling BW went after Mansell myself.  It had to be planned for a while.  Mansell is constantly working.  You can just phone him up on the spot because you lost your composer and expect him to say "Well, I was in the middle of this movie but I'll drop that."  I'd expect there would be more planning and a concerted effort by BW to get Mansell.

[Null_]

Never heard of Jack Wall before Mass Effect. The first game's soundtrack wasnt anything really special... Spectre induction,The End and maybe Vigil were strong points but rest wasnt really memorable... but ME2.... Normandy Reborn,Suicide Mission,Hold The Line(missing from official ost.. its from Legion loyalty mission when you defend the console with virus),The End Run were some of the best tracks I have ever heard.

Modifié par Null_, 13 février 2011 - 01:56 .

[MassStorm]

Null_ wrote...

Never heard of Jack Wall before Mass Effect. The first game's soundtrack wasnt anything really special... Spectre induction,The End and maybe Vigil were strong points but rest wasnt really memorable... but ME2.... Normandy Reborn,Suicide Mission,Hold The Line(missing from official ost.. its from Legion loyalty mission when you defend the console with virus),The End Run were some of the best tracks I have ever heard.

Obviously this is a personal taste....there are a lot of people (including me) that believe  
ME1 soundtracks > ME2 soundtracks
Honestly i found ME2 soundtracks anything special...but as i said before it's a matter of personal taste and not an absolute truth

Modifié par MassStorm, 13 février 2011 - 02:13 .

[ilostmycookie]

I know I should be excited...but I'm not. He's a fantastic composer and all but...for Mass Effect? Jack Wall was so fantastic...



W/E, I'll wait and see before I judge.

[ilPianiste]

@AwesomeName



You have successfully shown that Mansell is capable of adapting to different moods. And while I even like some examples of his work (e.g. main theme of "Moon"), I have extreme difficulties to imagine how he could deliver something like Walls pulsing, pushing forward music which sometimes was combined with quite memorable "melodic" lines (without drawing too much attention to itself, I think).



So there are 2 problems:



1.) Continuity -- may be that's not that much of a problem if he recycles several of Wall's wellknown themes and motives. But I share the concerns of others that that might NOT be the intention of BioWare, because they might have hired Mansell just to bring in some not yet heard musical style. Which I would consider a very doubtfull step.



2.) Will he deliver something comparable to Walls quite unique (and in my opinion not at all "generic") pieces as described above? I personally would wish for some more of those, because I liked them (especially in ME2) and they had a coining effect for the music/ambience of the Mass Effect Universe.



Listening to many examples of Mansell's work, I doubt he can deliver (or is at all interested in..) something comparable.



In any case I would have preferred if Wall (and Hulick and...) had composed for ME3. But hopefully Mansell will also do well and the inevitable discontinuity isn't too obvious ...

[theSteeeeels]

about a month someone posted a thread asking about who should do to me3 music and i posted Clint Mansell because of his obviously amazing work on Requiem for Dream and The Fountain and Black Swan. The music from Moon is totally Mass Effect-like, im so happy hes actually going to be working on ME3. now i just hope they can bring the gameplay back to ME1 style

[theSteeeeels]

ilPianiste wrote...

@AwesomeName

You have successfully shown that Mansell is capable of adapting to different moods. And while I even like some examples of his work (e.g. main theme of "Moon"), I have extreme difficulties to imagine how he could deliver something like Walls pulsing, pushing forward music which sometimes was combined with quite memorable "melodic" lines (without drawing too much attention to itself, I think).

So there are 2 problems:

1.) Continuity -- may be that's not that much of a problem if he recycles several of Wall's wellknown themes and motives. But I share the concerns of others that that might NOT be the intention of BioWare, because they might have hired Mansell just to bring in some not yet heard musical style. Which I would consider a very doubtfull step.

2.) Will he deliver something comparable to Walls quite unique (and in my opinion not at all "generic") pieces as described above? I personally would wish for some more of those, because I liked them (especially in ME2) and they had a coining effect for the music/ambience of the Mass Effect Universe.

Listening to many examples of Mansell's work, I doubt he can deliver (or is at all interested in..) something comparable.

In any case I would have preferred if Wall (and Hulick and...) had composed for ME3. But hopefully Mansell will also do well and the inevitable discontinuity isn't too obvious ...

mansell is amazing, the movies hes worked on (the ones ive seen anyways) hes made them so much better and not only absorbed the atmosphere of the film but also made it shine. I really see no problem with such a talented artist on ME2, especially because i personally thought the music in ME2 sucked compared to the first, it felt so overblown whilst me1 was so eerie yet mellow, and very space-like.

i do see what ur saying about the ambiance though, Requiem and Black Swan have almost been ochrasta movies, where the whole soundtrack kind of builds and builds until the finale where it explodes. I too hope that this doesnt distract him from making a sort of chilled out-walking around space-vibe like ME1. But the ending music will be awesome

[theSteeeeels]

if no ones posted it yet...

please listen to this song from Mansell, absolutely brilliant and something like this could work itself into ME3

Modifié par theSteeeeels, 13 février 2011 - 06:33 .

[TrueHD]

Film composer scoring a game.



You're going to hear the same theme in a billion subtle variations over and over.

[Urazz]

I'm wondering if this is by Bioware's choice though. For all we could know Wall may be busy with another project or he wanted more money than Bioware was willing to give. Either way at least Mansell is a good composer so the music for ME3 should be good if he at least tries to follow along with Mass Effect's general theme to their music.

[Terror_K]

If Jack Wall really did feel like it was "time to move on" I just wish he hadn't felt that for just one more year.