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[marshalleck]

TrueHD wrote...

Film composer scoring a game.

You're going to hear the same theme in a billion subtle variations over and over.

Maybe, maybe not. Film is limited in a way games are not, mainly the ~90 minute duration. The ME2 soundtrack is a few minutes shy of two solid hours of music and that's with surprisingly little motif or thematic repetition. Mansell will have plenty of room to create an expansive and thoroughly developed soundtrack. And as I said earlier, based on his work with Moon (which was limited by the duration and scope of the film) it could very well be amazing.

Modifié par marshalleck, 14 février 2011 - 04:11 .

[Scimal]

TrueHD wrote...

Film composer scoring a game.

You're going to hear the same theme in a billion subtle variations over and over.

... As opposed to? I'm kind of curious here. The standard for scoring RPGs or movies is that you make a theme for each character and place, and then weave that theme into the content where appropriate. It was done in DA:O, it was done in Halo, it's been done in almost every movie since they were invented.

It was done with Beethoven, Handel, Wagner...

I mean, that's sort of what music is when you use it to describe events and characters, otherwise it's a bunch of uncorrelated jibberish that happens to sound nice. Like reading random sentences out of a book.

If you need proof that it can be done well, look to Howard Shore or Bryan Tyler (whose work on the Dune miniseries is probably my favorite soundtrack of all time).

Otherwise, I'm more than happy to point out that Vigil's theme is used without variation at least a dozen times over both games.

[marshalleck]

Yes, there's nothing wrong with use of motif. It is in fact intentional and, when used well, a hallmark of strong compostions.

[Terror_K]

Well, even Mass Effect did it, in both games. Several songs still had a bit of the "Mass Effect Theme" within them here and there (particularly Spectre Induction, From the Wreckage, etc.). Garrus' theme had some ME1 callback elements to it, and Legion's had a bit of both Geth and Saren themed parts from the original game to it. Then of course there's the more obvious ones like Love Theme and Reflections and Uncharted Worlds and New Worlds.

[TheJiveDJ]

Stop freaking out. As a songwriter/engineer I've had the pleasure of rubbing elbows with some great composers; I speak from experience when I say that a good composer will do exactly what he's payed to do and often much more. Clint Mansell is a master of his art, he should be able to retain the general feel and phrasing of the two previous of Mass Effect scores while adding his own unique flare with relative ease. Also i'd imagine that Sam Hulick and some of the others may stay on to provide support for Mansell.

[matt-bassist]

if any of you have the Lord of the Rings Extended Editions, you shoud watch the special features, each movie has an hour long segement on Howard Shore composing the score. its REALLY eye-opening and you see a lot of the 'scoring process'

[blastothejellyfish]

Do not want. Jack et al were getting the job done quite well. Why bring in another person and risk having a less than stellar soundtrack that can potentially ruin your team's magnum opus?

[Temtimtom]

I don't know about all of this: why fix something that wasn't really broken in the first place? First Wall and now I've read about Karpyshyn as well.

As long as they include 'Uncharted Worlds'.

EDIT: I'm not a hundred procent faithful in Mansell's abilities to continue Wall's and Hulick's style. http://samhulick.com/SR.html

Modifié par Temtimtom, 14 février 2011 - 07:01 .

[War Houndoom]

This is an outrage! How dare they out Jack and Sam!

[CroGamer002]

War Houndoom wrote...

This is an outrage! How dare they out Jack and Sam!

They left on their own.

[War Houndoom]

Mesina2 wrote...

War Houndoom wrote...

This is an outrage! How dare they out Jack and Sam!

They left on their own.

That is the official story...no one believes the official story.

Still even if they did leave on their own Bioware should have given them an offer they couldn't refuse to keep them there.

[Bluko]

Eh I'm not so sure about this. For the most part I liked Jack Wall and Sam Hulick because they were a bit more unique.

I already disliked Mass Effect 2 for having a more hollywood movie-esque sounding style soundtrack. Now I know instead of going back more to Mass Effect's unique style we're going to have overly epic and sappy music the entire game. Also given Clint Mansell's general theme I get the feeling Mass Effect 3 will be damn near depressing as a result.

Requiem for a Dream is cool the first few times you hear it, but I have to say it doesn't really have lasting appeal. I literally groan just about everytime I hear that song now because it gets old fast and is really over-used. If there's anything in Mass Effect 3 that sounds like that I'm going to beat my head in.

I dunno I could be wrong about Mansell. Maybe he'll make the soundtrack unique and in the original Mass Effect style. Though I gotta say I really doubt this.

I hate to say it but ME2 already has a really "meh" soundtrack for the most part. (Exceptions are the: Normandy Reborn, The Illusive Man, and the Suicide Mission.) This just seems to further that ME3 is going to be even more "meh". I guess this shouldn't be a surprise since Bioware seems to have little interest in making ME3 the best of the series by combining the best of both games. Instead it seems like it's going to be exactly like Mass Effect 2 again in just about every regard. I'm sure most people will be happy with that, but I kind of feel let down that simply because everyone has praised ME2 so much they don't feel obligated to make ME3 anything more.

[Icinix]

I love his work...but...the Mass Effect music has a very Mass Effect feel to it....it's (almost but not quite) as recognizable as the Halo music..



It will be hard for a new composer to capture that sound I think...

[Silmane]

Bluko wrote...

Requiem for a Dream is cool the first few times you hear it, but I have to say it doesn't really have lasting appeal. I literally groan just about everytime I hear that song now because it gets old fast and is really over-used. If there's anything in Mass Effect 3 that sounds like that I'm going to beat my head in.

I dunno I could be wrong about Mansell. Maybe he'll make the soundtrack unique and in the original Mass Effect style. Though I gotta say I really doubt this.

You could just get to the head beating part for assuming a song like that will be in ME3. He has two games worth of themes to work with and the game and genre don't really lend itself to big orchestral pieces. Not only that, but Mansell is the composer, not the audio director. They tell him what to do and he does his thing. 

[Bluko]

SpectreWarden91 wrote...

Found this track by Sam Hulick on youtube..

This is exactly what I'd like to hear. In my mind that sounds "Mass Effecty", but at the same time is new and not just a rehashed theme. This is what I expected ME3 to sound like. I'm going to be mad almost if this isn't in ME3.

Music is the soul of movies and games. John Williams is in large part what makes Star Wars, Star Wars. Changing composers is like removing the soul from the game and trying to replace it with another. It's just kind of bad idea, because if the games don't share a general sound atmosphere they kind of lose their connection and impact. If I listen to a soundtrack I should be able to recognize to what series it belongs to. I have horrible feeling ME3 will be nothing like ME or ME2 now.

Modifié par Bluko, 14 février 2011 - 10:55 .

[Bluko]

Silmane wrote...

Bluko wrote...

Requiem for a Dream is cool the first few times you hear it, but I have to say it doesn't really have lasting appeal. I literally groan just about everytime I hear that song now because it gets old fast and is really over-used. If there's anything in Mass Effect 3 that sounds like that I'm going to beat my head in.

I dunno I could be wrong about Mansell. Maybe he'll make the soundtrack unique and in the original Mass Effect style. Though I gotta say I really doubt this.

You could just get to the head beating part for assuming a song like that will be in ME3. He has two games worth of themes to work with and the game and genre don't really lend itself to big orchestral pieces. Not only that, but Mansell is the composer, not the audio director. They tell him what to do and he does his thing. 

I'm not sure what you're trying to get it at. All composers have a sort of style. As I said John Williams music is pretty recognizable, and even with different movies you can generally recognize his work. My deal is that Mansell hasn't created anything really fitting of Sci-Fi. Even with editing I just don't see his work going together real well with what Mass Effect is.

Frankly to me this seems like it was done to get attention and build hype for the game. Much in the same fashion that MW2 got Hans Zimmer. However Hans Zimmer wasn't a bad choice having done stuff like Black Hawk Down.

[Capeo]

Bluko wrote...

Silmane wrote...

Bluko wrote...

Requiem for a Dream is cool the first few times you hear it, but I have to say it doesn't really have lasting appeal. I literally groan just about everytime I hear that song now because it gets old fast and is really over-used. If there's anything in Mass Effect 3 that sounds like that I'm going to beat my head in.

I dunno I could be wrong about Mansell. Maybe he'll make the soundtrack unique and in the original Mass Effect style. Though I gotta say I really doubt this.

You could just get to the head beating part for assuming a song like that will be in ME3. He has two games worth of themes to work with and the game and genre don't really lend itself to big orchestral pieces. Not only that, but Mansell is the composer, not the audio director. They tell him what to do and he does his thing. 

I'm not sure what you're trying to get it at. All composers have a sort of style. As I said John Williams music is pretty recognizable, and even with different movies you can generally recognize his work. My deal is that Mansell hasn't created anything really fitting of Sci-Fi. Even with editing I just don't see his work going together real well with what Mass Effect is.

Frankly to me this seems like it was done to get attention and build hype for the game. Much in the same fashion that MW2 got Hans Zimmer. However Hans Zimmer wasn't a bad choice having done stuff like Black Hawk Down.

Pi is a sci-fi film, as is Moon and Doom.  Their OSTs very much fit with the films.

[Link Ashland 614]

I'm so itching to hear a sample, he better make an astounding score, 2 questions though:

1.- Would you like that ME3 has a whole orchestra? I mean, it would be great, hell ME2 had a synthesized orchestra, and "Suicide Mission" was epic enough to give me a heart attack twice ath the same time!

2.- Why Clint Mansell? Not that is bad, but there a lotta composers out there, like Hans Zimmer, or Steve Jablonsky or even Michael Giacchino. Mansell must've been really interested in the game, or he showed something soo incredible that they HAD to hire him.

Still, I really need this soundtrack, but I have to wait 10 months!!

Modifié par Link Ashland 614, 15 février 2011 - 11:15 .

[dbrw]

I'm very disappointed about this change. For me it's a reason to not buy ME3. : /

[Link Ashland 614]

dbrw, I think you're gonna buy it anyway when we start to see trailers and stuff.



Need some help here: Sam Hullick posted a track he made over in Facebook, but I can't seem to download it. Is there somewhere else I could find it or download it? Say Youtube?

[Silmane]

Link Ashland 614 wrote...

dbrw, I think you're gonna buy it anyway when we start to see trailers and stuff.

Need some help here: Sam Hullick posted a track he made over in Facebook, but I can't seem to download it. Is there somewhere else I could find it or download it? Say Youtube?

[marshalleck]

Link Ashland 614 wrote...

2.- Why Clint Mansell? Not that is bad, but there a lotta composers out there, like Hans Zimmer, or Steve Jablonsky or even Michael Giacchino. Mansell must've been really interested in the game, or he showed something soo incredible that they HAD to hire him.

Still, I really need this soundtrack, but I have to wait 10 months!!

Because everything Hans Zimmer does sounds exactly the same, Jablonsky is a hack, and Giacchino just has no flavor or essential quality whatsoever. Mansell does excellent work befitting the context of each film, and I'd point to Moon and The Fountain to back that claim. It does however remain to be seen how he will handle ME3. I hope we don't see a complete break with the past, as some of the themes really are in my mind inseperable from Mass Effect, or at least from Shepard. 

Bluko wrote...
My deal is that Mansell hasn't created anything really fitting of Sci-Fi.

Then you missed one of the best sci fi films of the last decade, Moon.

Modifié par marshalleck, 16 février 2011 - 05:08 .

[Silmane]

marshalleck wrote...

Link Ashland 614 wrote...

2.- Why Clint Mansell? Not that is bad, but there a lotta composers out there, like Hans Zimmer, or Steve Jablonsky or even Michael Giacchino. Mansell must've been really interested in the game, or he showed something soo incredible that they HAD to hire him.

Still, I really need this soundtrack, but I have to wait 10 months!!

Because everything Hans Zimmer does sounds exactly the same, Jablonsky is a hack, and Giacchino just has no flavor or essential quality whatsoever. Mansell does excellent work, and I'd point to Moon and The Fountain to back that claim. It does however remain to be seen how he will handle ME3. I hope we don't see a complete break with the past, as some of the themes really are in my mind inseperable from Mass Effect, or at least from Shepard. 

I absolutely loved Giacchino's work on Star Trek. Ownage.

Love this one, too. 

I can't see him, Zimmer or Jablonsky working on ME stuff, though. To be honest, when it comes to film composers(yes, the three mentioned did games..but come on), I can't really just jump out and pick anyone. 

I can't think of anyone but Jack, Sam and their crew that has created a Sci-fi series sound quite like they have, especially in video games. So, in the end, I gotta support Mansell for this because he does have a wide range. Assuming he hasn't started already, I feel he's gonna listen to what WallofSound has done and go..okay, I got this and goto work. 

People who want the three guys mentioned above are setting themselves up for major disappointments.

[Fiery Phoenix]

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[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

Mansell has done some excellent work - I liked his score to "Pi" - but he's never done games before.  It's certainly a different genre and style of composition. 

My guess is that EA is trying to make ME3 a "blockbuster game" (judging from their financials, they need one) and may be hoping that a "name composer" will help.


A loss.  Just went to Jack's site and his score to "Myst III" is playing - lovely stuff.