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[Bluko]

marshalleck wrote...

Bluko wrote...
My deal is that Mansell hasn't created anything really fitting of Sci-Fi.

Then you missed one of the best sci fi films of the last decade, Moon.

Actually I have seen Moon, and in retrospect I'd say that it very much sounds like his music. I dunno Moon was alright, but not something I got really excited for. It was just kind of "meh" to me. It was like a slightly more interesting Space Odyssey: 2001 except the A.I. was friendly this time around.

Of course Space Odyssey: 2001 to me is easily one of the most boring movies ever. The book is good though.

Still the soundtrack for Moon is not really close or similar to what I would expect ME3 to sounds like.  I'm not saying Clint Mansell is a bad composer, he's very good. But I just don't feel like he's suited for ME3. I may be wrong and perhaps he will be able to maintain the general theme. I guess I'm still a bit shocked Sam and Jack would up and leave. You'd think it'd be good on their resumes to have done the music for one of the most crtically acclaimed games.

Modifié par Bluko, 16 février 2011 - 07:48 .

[Pauravi]

I'm so okay with this.

[nevar00]

This guy wrote Requim of a Dream!?

We're in for some epic stuff then.

As long as they play a futuristic version of Blue Oyester Cult's "Don't Fear the Reapers" during the end credits, they could have rubber duck sounds for the rest of the game for all I'd care.   BOC making it in would be gaming moment of the year for sure.

Modifié par nevar00, 17 février 2011 - 04:05 .

[Deremix4]

While I am gonna miss Jack Wall, considering his soundtrack for both of the games was incredible, I can't help but say this...

...OH MY GOD, YES! **** just got real, indeed. Can't wait to hear more about ME3, and I definitely can't wait 'till it's released! They just made an incredible franchise even more incredible. I'm guessing this one is going to be off the charts in epicosity.

"His involvement in Mass Effect 3 gives us good reason to believe we might be in for the most emotionally devastating game in BioWare's space opera franchise yet." This.

Modifié par Deremix4, 17 février 2011 - 12:42 .

[Valmarn]

Just sent the request to cancel my preorder.

This is, without a doubt, the worst gaming news I have ever heard.

No Wall of Sound.

No Mass Effect 3 for me, at least not at full price.

If there's no Jack Wall, Sam Hulick, David Kates, and Jimmy Hinson, I can most certainly afford to wait until me3 is in the $10 bargain bin at Wal-Mart.

If Clint Mansell had been the original composer, that would be a different story...but he wasn't.

Yes, I know "everyone" has a hard-on for the music from Requiem For a Dream, but it means nothing to me.
I wouldn't care if John Williams or even Hans Zimmer was composing the music. Mind you, before the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, Hans Zimmer was, bar none, my favorite composer. After listening to the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, there's a 5-way tie for my favorite composer.

If I wasn't able to be completely objective, however, it'd  only be a 4-way tie, and Jack Wall wouldn't be one of them. But Jack's decision to back out doesn't affect my objectivity, and I can still recognize what a fantastic composer he is. I just wish he and his crack team of fellow composers were composing the music for Mass Effect 3.

Now, if you'll all excuse me.....I'm gonna go throw up.

Modifié par Valmarn, 17 février 2011 - 06:41 .

[meh_cd]

Valmarn wrote...

Just sent the request to cancel my preorder.

This is, without a doubt, the worst gaming news I have ever heard.

No Wall of Sound.

No Mass Effect 3 for me, at least not at full price.

If there's no Jack Wall, Sam Hulick, David Kates, and Jimmy Hinson, I can most certainly afford to wait until me3 is in the $10 bargain bin at Wal-Mart.

If Clint Mansell had been the original composer, that would be a different story...but he wasn't.

Yes, I know "everyone" has a hard-on for the music from Requiem For a Dream, but it means nothing to me.
I wouldn't care if John Williams or even Hans Zimmer was composing the music. Mind you, before the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, Hans Zimmer was, bar none, my favorite composer. After listening to the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, there's a 5-way tie for my favorite composer.

If I wasn't able to be completely objective, however, it'd  only be a 4-way tie, and Jack Wall wouldn't be one of them. But Jack's decision to back out doesn't affect my objectivity, and I can still recognize what a fantastic composer he is. I just wish he and his crack team of fellow composers were composing the music for Mass Effect 3.

Now, if you'll all excuse me.....I'm gonna go throw up.

Overreact much? And not everyone has a hardon for Lux Aeterna. Perhaps if you had read the thread, you would have realized that.

[Scimal]

Valmarn wrote...


Now, if you'll all excuse me.....I'm gonna go throw up.

Yeah. That makes sense. The composer backs out, they bring in another (very competent) composer, and you're getting sick?

I don't get it.

Even if you think that Jack was forced out by some loophole or EA mandate, it still doesn't make much sense.

Wall's stuff was above average, and even epic at points in ME1 and ME2 - but some of his stuff still falls flat, some of it is still muddled, and lots of it is simply re-used without manipulation. They're good, but they're not orgasm-inducing good.

[Valmarn]

meh_cd wrote...

Valmarn wrote...

Just sent the request to cancel my preorder.

This is, without a doubt, the worst gaming news I have ever heard.

No Wall of Sound.

No Mass Effect 3 for me, at least not at full price.

If there's no Jack Wall, Sam Hulick, David Kates, and Jimmy Hinson, I can most certainly afford to wait until me3 is in the $10 bargain bin at Wal-Mart.

If Clint Mansell had been the original composer, that would be a different story...but he wasn't.

Yes, I know "everyone" has a hard-on for the music from Requiem For a Dream, but it means nothing to me.
I wouldn't care if John Williams or even Hans Zimmer was composing the music. Mind you, before the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, Hans Zimmer was, bar none, my favorite composer. After listening to the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, there's a 5-way tie for my favorite composer.

If I wasn't able to be completely objective, however, it'd  only be a 4-way tie, and Jack Wall wouldn't be one of them. But Jack's decision to back out doesn't affect my objectivity, and I can still recognize what a fantastic composer he is. I just wish he and his crack team of fellow composers were composing the music for Mass Effect 3.

Now, if you'll all excuse me.....I'm gonna go throw up.

1. Overreact much? 2. And not everyone has a hardon for Lux Aeterna. Perhaps if you had read the thread, you would have realized that. ]

1. It's possible, but only time will tell. I'll let it settle.

2. Perhaps if you had noticed the quotations around "everyone," you would have gotten the hint that I wasn't entirely serious.

Modifié par Valmarn, 17 février 2011 - 08:01 .

[Flamewielder]

I'm actually optimistic about Mansell, after reading Sam Hullick's post on his FB page. I share his anticipation to see what kind of spin Mansell will put on the signature ME themes.



Given Mansell's previously tragic & bitter sweet musical opus, I can't help but expect ME3 to end somewhat tragically or with some sort of heroic sacrifice...

[Deremix4]

Valmarn wrote...

Just sent the request to cancel my preorder.

This is, without a doubt, the worst gaming news I have ever heard.

No Wall of Sound.

No Mass Effect 3 for me, at least not at full price.

If there's no Jack Wall, Sam Hulick, David Kates, and Jimmy Hinson, I can most certainly afford to wait until me3 is in the $10 bargain bin at Wal-Mart.

If Clint Mansell had been the original composer, that would be a different story...but he wasn't.

Yes, I know "everyone" has a hard-on for the music from Requiem For a Dream, but it means nothing to me.
I wouldn't care if John Williams or even Hans Zimmer was composing the music. Mind you, before the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, Hans Zimmer was, bar none, my favorite composer. After listening to the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, there's a 5-way tie for my favorite composer.

If I wasn't able to be completely objective, however, it'd  only be a 4-way tie, and Jack Wall wouldn't be one of them. But Jack's decision to back out doesn't affect my objectivity, and I can still recognize what a fantastic composer he is. I just wish he and his crack team of fellow composers were composing the music for Mass Effect 3.

Now, if you'll all excuse me.....I'm gonna go throw up.

Waaay to extreme. The music won't dissapoint, and besides, the music is just half of it. Just because the composer changed doesn't mean; "Oh, this game's gonna be terrible now."

You overreacted.

[Valmarn]

Deremix4 wrote...

Valmarn wrote...

Just sent the request to cancel my preorder.

This is, without a doubt, the worst gaming news I have ever heard.

No Wall of Sound.

No Mass Effect 3 for me, at least not at full price.

If there's no Jack Wall, Sam Hulick, David Kates, and Jimmy Hinson, I can most certainly afford to wait until me3 is in the $10 bargain bin at Wal-Mart.

If Clint Mansell had been the original composer, that would be a different story...but he wasn't.

Yes, I know "everyone" has a hard-on for the music from Requiem For a Dream, but it means nothing to me.
I wouldn't care if John Williams or even Hans Zimmer was composing the music. Mind you, before the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, Hans Zimmer was, bar none, my favorite composer. After listening to the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, there's a 5-way tie for my favorite composer.

If I wasn't able to be completely objective, however, it'd  only be a 4-way tie, and Jack Wall wouldn't be one of them. But Jack's decision to back out doesn't affect my objectivity, and I can still recognize what a fantastic composer he is. I just wish he and his crack team of fellow composers were composing the music for Mass Effect 3.

Now, if you'll all excuse me.....I'm gonna go throw up.

1. Waaay to extreme. 2. The music won't dissapoint, and besides, the music is just half of it. 3. Just because the composer changed doesn't mean; "Oh, this game's gonna be terrible now."

3. You overreacted.

1. Your opinion. No different than the content of my post.

2. You're right: it is fair to say that the music is half of it. So, how do you think a Star Wars fan would like Return of the Jedi without John Williams' music?

3. I'm not saying that the game will be terrible just because Wall of Sound won't have anything to do with the soundtrack (of course, who's to say that it wouldn't be more successful with the original composers?)
I'm merely attempting to accurately convey how disappointed I am that the original composer isn't going to see this trilogy through to the end.

4. Nah. The first reaction is usually the correct one, for each person. Perhaps I'm just that much more passionate about musical scores. Perhaps I put that much more weight on the music of the game.

................Perhaps I just needed to vent. I'll see how I feel tomorrow. ;^)

After getting hooked on the music of Mass Effect 2, the soundtrack of Mass Effect 3 was the main thing I was looking forward to.

Will Clint Mansell make a good soundtrack? I'm sure.

Because of how dynamic video game soundtracks have to be, there's telling how his work will compare against the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack. Still, I'm sure it will be good. Sadly, I'll always wonder what Wall of Sound could have done.

ugh...a couple quotes of Jack's just sound like cop-outs:

"I think it was a just time for a change."

"It was just time to move on."

I certainly hope he elaborates on why it was time for a change, and what he's moving onto, eventually.

Modifié par Valmarn, 18 février 2011 - 11:13 .

[Scimal]

Valmarn wrote...

1. Your opinion. No different than the content of my post.

True. Although most opinions don't lead others to getting nauseous.

2. You're right: it is fair to say that the music is half of it. So, how do you think a Star Wars fan would like Return of the Jedi without John Williams' music?

Probably like Harry Potter fans felt. That is to say; despite the original composer leaving, it was still very much in-line with Harry Potter's original score because John Williams left behind stuff to work with.

3. I'm not saying that the game will be terrible just because Wall of Sound won't have anything to do with the soundtrack (of course, who's to say that it wouldn't be more successful with the original composers?)
I'm merely attempting to accurately convey how disappointed I am that the original composer isn't going to see this trilogy through to the end.

And we're merely taunting you because you feel so much disappointment over something you can't control and won't know the effects of until the product is delivered that you refuse to support the company and get sick to your stomach.

Most people get disappointed in a way that doesn't make them physically ill.

4. Nah. The first reaction is usually the correct one, for each person. Perhaps I'm just that much more passionate about musical scores. Perhaps I put that much more weight on the music of the game.

................Perhaps I just needed to vent. I'll see how I feel tomorrow. ;^)

Good idea. I love musical scores. Most of my music collection are various soundtracks. Music can easily make or break parts of the game for me, and I recognize how good some of Wall's music was.

That doesn't mean I'm disappointed with Mansell, though. I mean, Wall is good, but Mansell is at least on the same level (if not a step above in terms of complexity). The worst that could happen is that Mansell's work is so much junk that BW can't use any of it and has to re-use the old soundtrack. The best that could happen is that ME3 turns out to be an emotionally deep multi-day ride of visual and audio bliss that I'll have to play a dozen times over.

ugh...a couple quotes of Jack's just sound like cop-outs:

"I think it was a just time for a change."

"It was just time to move on."

I certainly hope he elaborates on why it was time for a change, and what he's moving onto, eventually.

Sure, they may be cop-outs. My guess is that EA twisted BW's arm with some contract loophole so they could get a "bigger" composer.

However, you can't do anything about it. Might as well learn to accept it and find a way to enjoy ME3, or not buy it at all.

[Valmarn]

Scimal wrote...

Valmarn wrote...

1. Your opinion. No different than the content of my post.

True. Although most opinions don't lead others to getting nauseous.

Yeah, I guess I can have that effect on people...

2. You're right: it is fair to say that the music is half of it. So, how do you think a Star Wars fan would like Return of the Jedi without John Williams' music?

Probably like Harry Potter fans felt. That is to say; despite the original composer leaving, it was still very much in-line with Harry Potter's original score because John Williams left behind stuff to work with.

 I didn't realize that the Harry Potter movies didn't retain the same composer throughout the series. It doesn't make me feel much better, but I appreciate you mentioning it.

3. I'm not saying that the game will be terrible just because Wall of Sound won't have anything to do with the soundtrack (of course, who's to say that it wouldn't be more successful with the original composers?)
I'm merely attempting to accurately convey how disappointed I am that the original composer isn't going to see this trilogy through to the end.

And we're merely taunting you because you feel so much disappointment over something you can't control and won't know the effects of until the product is delivered that you refuse to support the company and get sick to your stomach.

Most people get disappointed in a way that doesn't make them physically ill.

I should note that I didn't actually throw up. I did, however, feel queasy.

4. Nah. The first reaction is usually the correct one, for each person. Perhaps I'm just that much more passionate about musical scores. Perhaps I put that much more weight on the music of the game.

................Perhaps I just needed to vent. I'll see how I feel tomorrow. ;^)

Good idea. I love musical scores. Most of my music collection are various soundtracks. Music can easily make or break parts of the game for me, and I recognize how good some of Wall's music was.

That doesn't mean I'm disappointed with Mansell, though. I mean, Wall is good, but Mansell is at least on the same level (if not a step above in terms of complexity). The worst that could happen is that Mansell's work is so much junk that BW can't use any of it and has to re-use the old soundtrack. The best that could happen is that ME3 turns out to be an emotionally deep multi-day ride of visual and audio bliss that I'll have to play a dozen times over.

ugh...a couple quotes of Jack's just sound like cop-outs:

"I think it was a just time for a change."
"It was just time to move on."

I certainly hope he elaborates on why it was time for a change, and what he's moving onto, eventually.[/quote Sure, they may be cop-outs. My guess is that EA twisted BW's arm with some contract loophole so they could get a "bigger" composer.

However, you can't do anything about it. Might as well learn to accept it and find a way to enjoy ME3, or not buy it at all.

All good points.

I'm not so sure about EA twisting BioWare's arm. Everything I've read says that it was Jack Wall's decision to leave, and that his departure was amicable.

It would sure as hell make a lot more sense that EA would demand a bigger-name composer, but it doesn't sound like that's the case. On eurogamer.net, Jack Wall mentioned, "It was just time to move on. I'm working on some very exciting projects and look forward to when I can announce them..."

Hmm...coupled with what you said  about EA possibly twisting BioWare's arm, I'm starting to feel like this is where Joker's line from the beginning of Mass Effect 1 would fit perfectly: Yeah, that is the official story, but only an idiot believes the official story

Edited to add:

You know, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense that Jack Wall was paid to fall on his sword, and assume responsibility for his departure.

Modifié par Valmarn, 18 février 2011 - 08:31 .

[Scimal]

Valmarn wrote...."

Hmm...coupled with what you said  about EA possibly twisting BioWare's arm, I'm starting to feel like this is where Joker's line from the beginning of Mass Effect 1 would fit perfectly: Yeah, that is the official story, but only an idiot believes the official story

Edited to add:

You know, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense that Jack Wall was paid to fall on his sword, and assume responsibility for his departure.

I don't know if Jack was paid to fall on his sword, per say. I think he's just being very professional and courteous about it.

There's no reason to burn bridges with these things. You can't get Clint Mansell scoring every BW game - you'd be competing with hollywood studios for his time, which isn't something you'd generally want to do when you have a fairly good backup.

BW (and by proxy EA) know that Wall has a fanbase in their ME buyers. All they'd have to do is make another Mass Effect game in any genre and put "Original Score by Jack Wall" on it and you've already sold a few thousand boxes.

So, if anything, as long as what Wall says about his relationship with BioWare is true - I'd expect to see him again when there isn't an expired contract or loophole to exploit (or whatever really caused him to leave).

[Valmarn]

Scimal wrote...

Valmarn wrote...."

Hmm...coupled with what you said  about EA possibly twisting BioWare's arm, I'm starting to feel like this is where Joker's line from the beginning of Mass Effect 1 would fit perfectly: Yeah, that is the official story, but only an idiot believes the official story

Edited to add:

You know, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense that Jack Wall was paid to fall on his sword, and assume responsibility for his departure.

I don't know if Jack was paid to fall on his sword, per say. I think he's just being very professional and courteous about it.

There's no reason to burn bridges with these things. You can't get Clint Mansell scoring every BW game - you'd be competing with hollywood studios for his time, which isn't something you'd generally want to do when you have a fairly good backup.

BW (and by proxy EA) know that Wall has a fanbase in their ME buyers. All they'd have to do is make another Mass Effect game in any genre and put "Original Score by Jack Wall" on it and you've already sold a few thousand boxes.

So, if anything, as long as what Wall says about his relationship with BioWare is true - I'd expect to see him again when there isn't an expired contract or loophole to exploit (or whatever really caused him to leave).

True, but if BioWare really did give him the old  heave-ho, I think it's fair to say that that bridge has already been burnt, but Jack appreciates the prospect of future income from BioWare, so he's opting for an "alternate route"...so to speak.

Part of me hopes that it was up to Jack, so I can buy another BioWare or EA game with my conscience intact.

Another part of me hopes that it was up to BioWare or EA (which seems more likely), so I can be feel more supportive of Jack, on this issue.

[Lunatic LK47]

Hmm.... Garrus is disappointed, but willing to give it a shot.

Brandon Keener's response after I posted the news on his Facebook page:

This is going to sound like a cop-out, but I'll have to hear the ME3 sound track when it comes out to be able to pass judgment.

Link: http://www.facebook....=wall&filter=12

[ArchDemonXIII]

 I haven't read all of this, so sorry if someone else already pointed it out.
Anyone worried about Clint's ability to work with synths is obviously unaware of his work with Pop Will Eat Itself, the band he was in before he started composing for movies:

www.youtube.com/watch   (Guy with the funny hat and deep voice is Clint if I remember correctly.. He is one of the singers)

He has plenty in both working with synths and remixing.  I think it will be alright.

[Valmarn]

ArchDemonXIII wrote...
www.youtube.com/watch   (Guy with the funny hat and deep voice is Clint if I remember correctly.. He is one of the singers)

Thanks for that! Now I'll be lucky if I don't have nightmares of a neon-haired, deep-voiced boogeyman who is, mysteriously, always surounded by strobe lights...lol

[Annihilator27]

Clint should release a sample.

[AlbertoAquilani]

Before I get pissed off, I'm going to give Clint the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully we'll hear something in a few months.

[Valmarn]

AlbertoAquilani wrote...

Before I get pissed off, I'm going to give Clint the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully we'll hear something in a few months.

Personally, I have little doubt that Clint Mansell will do a decent enough job with the soundtrack.

However, as much as I loved the Mass Effect 2 soundtrack, and as much as I was  looking forward to Wall of Sound's work on the end of the trilogy, I'm just too heartbroken to genuinely care how good of a job he does.

Now that my eyes are open, it's pretty clear that it wasn't Jack Wall's decision, and that EA just wanted to pull a stunt to boost sales. As rotten as it is to say, despite my lack of concern for the quality of work he does, I'm gonna laugh my ass off if they don't get the boost in sales that they were hoping for by signing on Clint Mansell.

Modifié par Valmarn, 20 février 2011 - 02:31 .

[StElmo]

Valmarn wrote...

Now that my eyes are open, it's pretty clear that it wasn't Jack Wall's decision, and that EA just wanted to pull a stunt to boost sales. As rotten as it is to say, despite my lack of concern for the quality of work he does, I'm gonna laugh my ass off if they don't get the boost in sales that they were hoping for by signing on Clint Mansell.

Wait, what? I thought we discovered Jack and Bioware were all good and friendly?

Where's the proof that EA made an exec decision on this? 

[GodWood]

Valmarn wrote...
Just sent the request to cancel my preorder.

This is, without a doubt, the worst gaming news I have ever heard.

No Wall of Sound.

No Mass Effect 3 for me, at least not at full price.

If there's no Jack Wall, Sam Hulick, David Kates, and Jimmy Hinson, I can most certainly afford to wait until me3 is in the $10 bargain bin at Wal-Mart.

If Clint Mansell had been the original composer, that would be a different story...but he wasn't.

Yes, I know "everyone" has a hard-on for the music from Requiem For a Dream, but it means nothing to me.
I wouldn't care if John Williams or even Hans Zimmer was composing the music. Mind you, before the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, Hans Zimmer was, bar none, my favorite composer. After listening to the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, there's a 5-way tie for my favorite composer.

If I wasn't able to be completely objective, however, it'd  only be a 4-way tie, and Jack Wall wouldn't be one of them. But Jack's decision to back out doesn't affect my objectivity, and I can still recognize what a fantastic composer he is. I just wish he and his crack team of fellow composers were composing the music for Mass Effect 3.

Now, if you'll all excuse me.....I'm gonna go throw up.

[Terror_K]

The guys who did the Amiga version of Universe would be a welcome addition.











Not bad for stuff done in 1994.

[Ryo7]

I have gone over these posts and finally heard Lux Aeterna...If I may just say...that is epic...and I've heard it elsewhere...I think in a video showcasing the damage of a mine fire to Centralia, PA...it was quite appropriate. I also saw this guy did Silent Hill? Am I right? That was the one thing I enjoyed about that game. I don't like Jack Wall parting ways here...but it's not like Bioware to do something stupid like Blizzard did in replacing the voice of Kerrigan for starcraft 2. I agree Suicide Mission was amazing, the drums in Crash Landing awesome, and Normandy Reborn...Jack Wall is awesome and before ME 2 I never heard of him. But honestly I think they are going to Require Clint to stick to the ME style and implement it into his own classical style. This should be interesting...and I'm seeing people get good faith in this guy. I want to say it was a simple parting of ways over amicable differences {as I read elsewhere} so Bioware went and got the best guy to replace him...sure it'll be different, but I think some of it will be the same for the old flavor to be there while adding some new to it as well. Every sequel needs to balance old and new to be good.