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[Valmarn]

GodWood wrote...

Valmarn wrote...
Just sent the request to cancel my preorder.

This is, without a doubt, the worst gaming news I have ever heard.

No Wall of Sound.

No Mass Effect 3 for me, at least not at full price.

If there's no Jack Wall, Sam Hulick, David Kates, and Jimmy Hinson, I can most certainly afford to wait until me3 is in the $10 bargain bin at Wal-Mart.

If Clint Mansell had been the original composer, that would be a different story...but he wasn't.

Yes, I know "everyone" has a hard-on for the music from Requiem For a Dream, but it means nothing to me.
I wouldn't care if John Williams or even Hans Zimmer was composing the music. Mind you, before the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, Hans Zimmer was, bar none, my favorite composer. After listening to the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, there's a 5-way tie for my favorite composer.

If I wasn't able to be completely objective, however, it'd  only be a 4-way tie, and Jack Wall wouldn't be one of them. But Jack's decision to back out doesn't affect my objectivity, and I can still recognize what a fantastic composer he is. I just wish he and his crack team of fellow composers were composing the music for Mass Effect 3.

Now, if you'll all excuse me.....I'm gonna go throw up.

Please...have you anything meaningful to add? Hell, everyone else who took it upon themselves to taunt me could actually form words into sentences, but I see you would rather rely on the "a picture is worth a thousand words" clause.

[Valmarn]

Edited: Double post.

Modifié par Valmarn, 21 février 2011 - 12:25 .

[Valmarn]

StElmo wrote...

Valmarn wrote...

Now that my eyes are open, it's pretty clear that it wasn't Jack Wall's decision, and that EA just wanted to pull a stunt to boost sales. As rotten as it is to say, despite my lack of concern for the quality of work he does, I'm gonna laugh my ass off if they don't get the boost in sales that they were hoping for by signing on Clint Mansell.

1. Wait, what? I thought we discovered Jack and Bioware were all good and friendly?

2. Where's the proof that EA made an exec decision on this? 

1. I never said otherwise. Just because it might not have been Jack Wall's decision to part ways doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't on good terms.

2. There is no proof that that it was EA's decision, nor that it was BioWare's decision, but it's really the only explanation that makes any sense.

After someone else replied to my initial post, speculating that that was the case, I realized immediately it made far more sense that what Jack Wall has said about it being his decision to leave. All of his "reasons" make little or no sense, and sound like cop-outs.

EA and/or BioWare wanted a more well-known, hollywood composer to compose the soundtrack for Mass Effect 3. At first, I thought it was just a stunt to boost sales, but it occured to me, not 30 minutes ago, that they might just be getting his feet wet, in preparation for composing the score for the Mass Effect movie.

You have to admit, for lacking any real proof, it sounds fairly reasonable. At the very least, it's as rational as conspiracy theories go...lol

I certainly hope it's all BS, because I'd like to be able to eventually purchase Mass Effect 3 (as well as other EA/BioWare games), without feeling the need to take a shower.

Modifié par Valmarn, 21 février 2011 - 12:33 .

[TuringPoint]

I loved the ME2 soundtrack too. I will probably also like the ME3 soundtrack. I sympathize though. Just... consider distancing yourself from this

[ianmcdonald]

Valmarn wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Valmarn wrote...
Just sent the request to cancel my preorder.

This is, without a doubt, the worst gaming news I have ever heard.

No Wall of Sound.

No Mass Effect 3 for me, at least not at full price.

If there's no Jack Wall, Sam Hulick, David Kates, and Jimmy Hinson, I can most certainly afford to wait until me3 is in the $10 bargain bin at Wal-Mart.

If Clint Mansell had been the original composer, that would be a different story...but he wasn't.

Yes, I know "everyone" has a hard-on for the music from Requiem For a Dream, but it means nothing to me.
I wouldn't care if John Williams or even Hans Zimmer was composing the music. Mind you, before the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, Hans Zimmer was, bar none, my favorite composer. After listening to the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, there's a 5-way tie for my favorite composer.

If I wasn't able to be completely objective, however, it'd  only be a 4-way tie, and Jack Wall wouldn't be one of them. But Jack's decision to back out doesn't affect my objectivity, and I can still recognize what a fantastic composer he is. I just wish he and his crack team of fellow composers were composing the music for Mass Effect 3.

Now, if you'll all excuse me.....I'm gonna go throw up.

Please...have you anything meaningful to add? Hell, everyone else who took it upon themselves to taunt me could actually form words into sentences, but I see you would rather rely on the "a picture is worth a thousand words" clause.

I think he's trying to say you should tone down the melodrama and hyberbole. Yes, the music in the first two games was fantastic but you have no reason to think the music in the third game won't be.

[Valmarn]

ianmcdonald wrote...

Valmarn wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Valmarn wrote...
Just sent the request to cancel my preorder.

This is, without a doubt, the worst gaming news I have ever heard.

No Wall of Sound.

No Mass Effect 3 for me, at least not at full price.

If there's no Jack Wall, Sam Hulick, David Kates, and Jimmy Hinson, I can most certainly afford to wait until me3 is in the $10 bargain bin at Wal-Mart.

If Clint Mansell had been the original composer, that would be a different story...but he wasn't.

Yes, I know "everyone" has a hard-on for the music from Requiem For a Dream, but it means nothing to me.
I wouldn't care if John Williams or even Hans Zimmer was composing the music. Mind you, before the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, Hans Zimmer was, bar none, my favorite composer. After listening to the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, there's a 5-way tie for my favorite composer.

If I wasn't able to be completely objective, however, it'd  only be a 4-way tie, and Jack Wall wouldn't be one of them. But Jack's decision to back out doesn't affect my objectivity, and I can still recognize what a fantastic composer he is. I just wish he and his crack team of fellow composers were composing the music for Mass Effect 3.

Now, if you'll all excuse me.....I'm gonna go throw up.

Please...have you anything meaningful to add? Hell, everyone else who took it upon themselves to taunt me could actually form words into sentences, but I see you would rather rely on the "a picture is worth a thousand words" clause.

1. I think he's trying to say you should tone down the melodrama and hyberbole.

2. Yes, the music in the first two games was fantastic but you have no reason to think the music in the third game won't be.

1. And he couldn't have said that, himself, I take it...
 
As for my supposed melodrama and hyperbole, perhaps his "post" would have been relevant 4 days ago, when I made my initial post.

If I do say so, myself, I believe the supposed melodrama and hyperbole have been taken down a notch; the condescension has not, however.


2. Maybe I'm just tired, but you'll have to show me where I ever said that Clint Mansell would not do a good job; at most, I expressed indifference as to whether or not he will.

Modifié par Valmarn, 21 février 2011 - 08:14 .

[Valmarn]

Obviously, Jack is long past having anything to do with the soundtrack.

However, if he departed because of personal issue (or if BioWare/EA really booted him so they could have Clint Mansell's name on their product), then there's little reason the rest of the Wall of Sound composers should be terribly preoccupied. If that's the case, it'd be nice if they were brought on to help carry the weight and, of course, contribute a little of what we had with the Mass Effect 1 and 2 soundtracks.

Modifié par Valmarn, 21 février 2011 - 08:32 .

[Sarah Aran]

Mansell is a good composer, there's no doubt of that. But considering how little opportunity Wall and Co. had to reference Mass Effect 1 while composing Mas Effect 2, the likelihood Mass Effect 3 will sound anything like the previous incarnations is remote. Perhaps they were just unavalible or schedules didn't coincide, but I do hope BioWare didn't give up Wall without a fight.



Not having Wall of Sound working on ME3 is pretty much like trying to make a Halo game without O'Donnell and Salvatori.

[WidowMaker9394]

Sarah Aran wrote...

Mansell is a good composer, there's no doubt of that. But considering how little opportunity Wall and Co. had to reference Mass Effect 1 while composing Mas Effect 2, the likelihood Mass Effect 3 will sound anything like the previous incarnations is remote. Perhaps they were just unavalible or schedules didn't coincide, but I do hope BioWare didn't give up Wall without a fight.

Not having Wall of Sound working on ME3 is pretty much like trying to make a Halo game without O'Donnell and Salvatori.

Steven Rippy did a fine job on Halo Wars and the music was the only good thing about Halo Legends.

[Sarah Aran]

Musically though those installments don't quite compare to the previous ones in my humble opinion. I'm sure Mansell will come up with something good, but I'm not sure it's going to sound like Mass Effect has up until now. Are Bioware going to insist he keep the Vangelis influences, or will he go off on his own and come up with something else?



Sure it'll be good music, but I don't believe it will be Mass Effect.

[CroGamer002]

Valmarn wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Valmarn wrote...
Just sent the request to cancel my preorder.

This is, without a doubt, the worst gaming news I have ever heard.

No Wall of Sound.

No Mass Effect 3 for me, at least not at full price.

If there's no Jack Wall, Sam Hulick, David Kates, and Jimmy Hinson, I can most certainly afford to wait until me3 is in the $10 bargain bin at Wal-Mart.

If Clint Mansell had been the original composer, that would be a different story...but he wasn't.

Yes, I know "everyone" has a hard-on for the music from Requiem For a Dream, but it means nothing to me.
I wouldn't care if John Williams or even Hans Zimmer was composing the music. Mind you, before the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, Hans Zimmer was, bar none, my favorite composer. After listening to the Mass Effect 2 Soundtrack, there's a 5-way tie for my favorite composer.

If I wasn't able to be completely objective, however, it'd  only be a 4-way tie, and Jack Wall wouldn't be one of them. But Jack's decision to back out doesn't affect my objectivity, and I can still recognize what a fantastic composer he is. I just wish he and his crack team of fellow composers were composing the music for Mass Effect 3.

Now, if you'll all excuse me.....I'm gonna go throw up.

Please...have you anything meaningful to add? Hell, everyone else who took it upon themselves to taunt me could actually form words into sentences, but I see you would rather rely on the "a picture is worth a thousand words" clause.

Experiment - Clint Mansell's Music in ME2 assignment


Damn you guys are picky.

[Lightbleeder]

Sarah Aran wrote...

Musically though those installments don't quite compare to the previous ones in my humble opinion. I'm sure Mansell will come up with something good, but I'm not sure it's going to sound like Mass Effect has up until now. Are Bioware going to insist he keep the Vangelis influences, or will he go off on his own and come up with something else?

Sure it'll be good music, but I don't believe it will be Mass Effect.

Agreed. I love Clint's music, but the soundtrack to ME1 and ME2 went so well, and in addition I can only imagine how heartbroken I would feel to be made a part of the first two games only to be made absent from the third (I know no one has confirmed exactly why he isn't involved, but still).

The whole thing reminds me of how I felt when I heard they were adding in a bunch of name actors in Halo 3. I'm all for making the series go out with a bang, but it just did not feel right. It was the kind of stunt a Hollywood studio might pull (the Hulk films for example), maybe I'm naive, but I honestly hoped the gaming industry, and BioWare in particular, might be a bit better than that.

To summarise:
I like Jack.
I like Clint.
But I wouldn't trade one for the other.

[Valmarn]

Sarah Aran wrote...

Musically though those installments don't quite compare to the previous ones in my humble opinion. I'm sure Mansell will come up with something good, but I'm not sure it's going to sound like Mass Effect has up until now. Are Bioware going to insist he keep the Vangelis influences, or will he go off on his own and come up with something else?

Sure it'll be good music, but I don't believe it will be Mass Effect.

Aside from the fact that I'm just a picky bastard who simply doesn't like the idea of the original people not composing the music for the final chapter of one of the best sci-fi sagas ever made (IMNSHO), your last sentence echoes my feelings quite well: it'll be good, but it won't be "Mass Effect-ive," which is why it would've be nice for two or three of the Wall of Sound composers to work with Mansell on the soundtrack.

Lightbleeder wrote...

Sarah Aran wrote...

Musically though those installments don't quite compare to the previous ones in my humble opinion. I'm sure Mansell will come up with something good, but I'm not sure it's going to sound like Mass Effect has up until now. Are Bioware going to insist he keep the Vangelis influences, or will he go off on his own and come up with something else?

Sure it'll be good music, but I don't believe it will be Mass Effect.

Agreed. I love Clint's music, but the soundtrack to ME1 and ME2 went so well, and in addition I can only imagine how heartbroken I would feel to be made a part of the first two games only to be made absent from the third (I know no one has confirmed exactly why he isn't involved, but still).

The whole thing reminds me of how I felt when I heard they were adding in a bunch of name actors in Halo 3. I'm all for making the series go out with a bang, but it just did not feel right. It was the kind of stunt a Hollywood studio might pull (the Hulk films for example), maybe I'm naive, but I honestly hoped the gaming industry, and BioWare in particular, might be a bit better than that.

To summarise:
I like Jack.
I like Clint.
But I wouldn't trade one for the other.

LOL...I hear you. It feels like a cheap stunt to boost sales.

Your summary is expertly-worded: I like them both (admittedly, not equally), but I wouldn't trade one for the other. Even as much as I love Jack Wall's work, his style doesn't fit where Mansell's does.

Modifié par Valmarn, 21 février 2011 - 02:20 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

Jack Walls website - go to the news section and read that in July last year Jack Wall joined the Gorfaine/Schwartz Agency who makes music for films and TV.
 
Couple that with the fact that he stepped down as principal conductor for VGL(Video Games Live) a month before and it becomes more likely that Jack ain't doing ME3 for the simple reason that he's busy doing other things, I for one wish him the best of luck.



Edit: fixed link. 

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 21 février 2011 - 08:52 .

[CroGamer002]

Valmarn wrote...

LOL...I hear you. It feels like a cheap stunt to boost sales.

Your summary is expertly-worded: I like them both (admittedly, not equally), but I wouldn't trade one for the other. Even as much as I love Jack Wall's work, his style doesn't fit where Mansell's does.

You do know that Walls and Hullick left on their own?

[FataliTensei]

Ugh what a dissapointment, Jack Wall and Sam Hulick's music is one of the signature elements of mass effect

[WarChicken78]

While I really love the first two soundtracks, the third is going to be even more increddible!

[Valmarn]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Jack Walls website - go to the news section and read that in July last year Jack Wall joined the Gorfaine/Schwartz Agency who makes music for films and TV.
 
Couple that with the fact that he stepped down as principal conductor for VGL(Video Games Live) a month before and it becomes more likely that Jack ain't doing ME3 for the simple reason that he's busy doing other things, I for one wish him the best of luck.

 

Your link is screwed up.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Link is fixed.

[Valmarn]

Mesina2 wrote...

Valmarn wrote...

LOL...I hear you. It feels like a cheap stunt to boost sales.

Your summary is expertly-worded: I like them both (admittedly, not equally), but I wouldn't trade one for the other. Even as much as I love Jack Wall's work, his style doesn't fit where Mansell's does.

You do know that Walls and Hullick left on their own?

Yes, I have read that Jack Wall said that he and BioWare parted ways amicably.

Modifié par Valmarn, 21 février 2011 - 09:46 .

[Valmarn]

Something else I'll mention...

I've no doubt that the soundtrack will be good. With that being said, don't know about the rest of you, but I certainly hope that the tracks on the OST are arranged similar to the way they were in the Mass Effect 2 OST, as opposed to that of Mass Effect 1.

Personally, I like it when a majority of the tracks are at least 4 minutes in length. As much as I liked the ME 1 Soundtrack, having 1 to 3 minute-long tracks just makes me feel the need to repeat each track 1 or 2 times.

Some tracks similar to Thane, Samara, Infiltration, and of course, Suicide Mission would be nice, especially the former two: +6 to 9 minutes is ideal for a single track, IMO.

Modifié par Valmarn, 24 février 2011 - 08:32 .

[Geinrendour]

It's a pity for sure.Jack is awesome, I just hope he is not out because of BioWare guys or EA decided to drop him, but that he is out by his own and because he is targeting something better for him. Also, after ME3 who knows if he won't back.

I've been listening the Black Swan soundtrack and I have to say that Clint is an awesome composer as well. He'll do a wonderful job in ME3, for sure.

About the guys crying...
Life is tough.
Changes happen.
It can't be helped, and you can't cry for it.
Like Jack said, "move on".

Jack, man, we all gonna miss you in Mass Effect 3. It won't be the same, Clint will put his own style in each note, but a different perspective doesn't hurt, instead, is the only way to see different things and actually evolve. If Jack one day back, with the new experience he gonna have, I'm pretty sure we all gonna die listening for a even best OST than he did until now in Mass Effect franchise.

Modifié par Geinrendour, 26 février 2011 - 10:02 .

[Terror_K]

Resurrecting thread a wee bit because of this new article:-

Mass Effect 2 composer Jack Wall explains his departure from the franchise

The main comment/point:-

"Well, I've had a great relationship with BioWare for five years, and I  think, you know, as with any important relationship it's complicated," Wall said. "Now I'm working with other clients and it feels fresh to me and I think they feel the same way, so I think it's just time to move on. I have nothing but love for those people. I'm sure I'll see them
again. It's just time for a break, maybe."

Modifié par Terror_K, 05 mars 2011 - 03:58 .

[XyleJKH]

Valmarn wrote...

Something else I'll mention...

I've no doubt that the soundtrack will be good. With that being said, don't know about the rest of you, but I certainly hope that the tracks on the OST are arranged similar to the way they were in the Mass Effect 2 OST, as opposed to that of Mass Effect 1.

Personally, I like it when a majority of the tracks are at least 4 minutes in length. As much as I liked the ME 1 Soundtrack, having 1 to 3 minute-long tracks just makes me feel the need to repeat each track 1 or 2 times.

Some tracks similar to Thane, Samara, Infiltration, and of course, Suicide Mission would be nice, especially the former two: +6 to 9 minutes is ideal for a single track, IMO.

Its really sad that you are basing a whole experience of MAss effect on the original composer. There is no lack of love for Wall of Sound here, however I am sure bioware will likely wish to keep Mass Effect in the same direction as the original two. I am sure Mansell won't want to disappoint fans. That being said, it seems you are having a tantrum, or did, perhaps you smoked a joint, took some ritalin or did something else to calm your nerves such as masterbation. Either case, you should think before you fly off the wheel. Nobody here thinks highly of people like that, you are protrayed just as the picture suggests

[marshalleck]

Terror_K wrote...

Resurrecting thread a wee bit because of this new article:-

Mass Effect 2 composer Jack Wall explains his departure from the franchise

The main comment/point:-

"Well, I've had a great relationship with BioWare for five years, and I  think, you know, as with any important relationship it's complicated," Wall said. "Now I'm working with other clients and it feels fresh to me and I think they feel the same way, so I think it's just time to move on. I have nothing but love for those people. I'm sure I'll see them
again. It's just time for a break, maybe."

Interesting. I'm still open to the idea of Clint Mansell doing the OST for ME3. "Death is the Road to Awe" fits The Fountain so well, I just can't imagine him botching ME3. Mansell is brilliant when it comes to synergy between his music and the events of the narrative they're penned for. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 05 mars 2011 - 04:29 .