Uh... no. It really doesn't.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Alodar wrote...
*SNIP*
So not only are the DA swords historically acurate in size for two handed swords they would weigh approxiamately five pounds.
Alodar
Do you realsie the thing you quoted proves exactly the OPPOSITE of what you think?
It doesn't matter if they're wrong. What matters is that you have to deal with peoples perceptions of reality rather than reality itself. Silenced guns don't make that zipping noise, but everyone believes they do, and so reality would break suspension of disbelief. (note: I am not saying realistic swords would break suspension of disbelief, I'm saying that disbelief is not grounded upon reality.)Lotion Soronnar wrote...
There are plenty of people who honestly belive plate armor is so heavy you can't get up and katanas can slice trough everything. Stupid people..
Most people have something common. I'm forced to agree. My point isn't that people don't know that the weapons are oversized, but that people accept oversized weapons as part of the fantasy language due to previous exposure. This makes them different from elements with which an audience would be unfamiliar with if changed.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Anyway, most people do have basic common sense..they know how heavy steel is and they can tell when something is overblown/oversized.
A good craftsmen uses the tools of his trade. Stereotyping and symbolism are important parts of the language they have available.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
A good writer/filmamker can make a character feel threatenting without ever resorting to such petty tricks.
I'm not sure what's not to buy. People equate weapon size with menace. People become used to oversized weapons, they cease to be as menacing. In order to reinforce the menace, weapon size increases further.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
I don't buy the "arms race" The arms race doesn't work.
Japanese storytelling differs wildly from european.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Why do you think that anime isn't so wide spread?
Modifié par Ziggeh, 18 février 2011 - 01:49 .
Guess what most peoples image and expectations of swords is based on? (hint: it's not reality)Lotion Soronnar wrote...
One has no expectations of magic, nor any real image of what it "should" look like.
THAT is a really good point.Ziggeh wrote...
Guess what most peoples image and expectations of swords is based on? (hint: it's not reality)Lotion Soronnar wrote...
One has no expectations of magic, nor any real image of what it "should" look like.
Modifié par Yrkoon, 18 février 2011 - 01:34 .
Ziggeh wrote...
Guess what most peoples image and expectations of swords is based on? (hint: it's not reality)Lotion Soronnar wrote...
One has no expectations of magic, nor any real image of what it "should" look like.
Yrkoon wrote...
Uh... no. It really doesn't.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Alodar wrote...
*SNIP*
So not only are the DA swords historically acurate in size for two handed swords they would weigh approxiamately five pounds.
Alodar ../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png
Do you realsie the thing you quoted proves exactly the OPPOSITE of what you think?../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png
--> This is a real longsword (or arming sword).If we do the math using the thickness of a real sword (say an average 1/8th inch thick across a roughly 48" by 2" rectangle) it turns out such it weighs a reasonable 3.408 pounds. Which, when you take into account things like differential cross-section, distal taper, edge bevel and overall taper of the blade geometry, as well as the weight of the pommel and cross, then an average weight of 2.5 - 3.5 pounds works out just about right.
--> This is a shorter Yusaris.So, the next time When someone says "a longsword weighs 15 pounds", you can reply, "Oh, like this?" as you hand them 15 pounds of a half-inch thick steel slab four feet long and two inches wide.
This means our steel sword is 48 inches long, 2 inches wide and 1.47 inches thick along its entire length. This would definitely be a blunt object and not a sharp cutting instrument like a sword.
Modifié par Gabriel Stelinski, 18 février 2011 - 04:24 .
How about the large amount of popular fantasy and historical fiction in comparison to the relatively rare use and display of medieval weaponry? It's a leap to suggest the majority of people have a good deal more exposure to the former than the latter?Gabriel Stelinski wrote...
"Most"? How did you come to that conclusion?
"Some"... maybe. "Most"... you need something to back that up.
Ziggeh wrote...
How about the large amount of popular fantasy and historical fiction in comparison to the relatively rare use and display of medieval weaponry? It's a leap to suggest the majority of people have a good deal more exposure to the former than the latter?Gabriel Stelinski wrote...
"Most"? How did you come to that conclusion?
"Some"... maybe. "Most"... you need something to back that up.
Modifié par Gabriel Stelinski, 18 février 2011 - 04:40 .
Are movies reality? Is Lord of the Rings reality?Gabriel Stelinski wrote...
How about the hundreds of movies?
How many historical or medieval-fantasy movies do you remember had anything other than normal looking swords?
How about Lord of the Rings? How many huge, thick swords were in that movie? What did Aragorn's sword look like?
Ziggeh wrote...
Are movies reality? Is Lord of the Rings reality?Gabriel Stelinski wrote...
How about the hundreds of movies?
How many historical or medieval-fantasy movies do you remember had anything other than normal looking swords?
How about Lord of the Rings? How many huge, thick swords were in that movie? What did Aragorn's sword look like?
If I draw my knowledge of swords exclusively from that picutre, am I gaining my expectations from real swords, or a prop in a movie? The fact that it almost certain is a decent representation, and that there are many, doesn't change or contradict my statement.
Modifié par Gabriel Stelinski, 18 février 2011 - 05:21 .
ALVIG824 wrote...
<------- this sword
is it really that big?
OR
is femhawke really that short?
is this just part of varric's exadgerations?
is it going to look that big compared to male hawke?
Right. The nature of those expectations is complex and subjective. For example, if we were discussing actors and props rather than graphical representations, the expectations would be quite different.Gabriel Stelinski wrote...
You're gaining your expectations from a realistically designed prop. One that respects proportions.
You said I needed to support that statement. I apologise if I misunderstood your post as some sort of counter point.Gabriel Stelinski wrote...
And no, it doesn't childish tone contradict your statement /childish tone, it adds to it.
Ziggeh wrote...
Right. The nature of those expectations is complex and subjective. For example, if we were discussing actors and props rather than graphical representations, the expectations would be quite different.Gabriel Stelinski wrote...
You're gaining your expectations from a realistically designed prop. One that respects proportions.You said I needed to support that statement. I apologise if I misunderstood your post as some sort of counter point.Gabriel Stelinski wrote...
And no, it doesn't childish tone contradict your statement /childish tone, it adds to it.
If you mean "We can't say most people are exposed to swords largely through fiction", then you're asking for evidence that medieval weapons aren't common objects. In which case my position is: It's not 1509 and I'm not a feudal serf.Gabriel Stelinski wrote...
I agree that some base their expectations in this manner, but to say that most do, you need statistics.
Ziggeh wrote...
If you mean "We can't say most people are exposed to swords largely through fiction", then you're asking for evidence that medieval weapons aren't common objects. In which case my position is: It's not 1509 and I'm not a feudal serf.Gabriel Stelinski wrote...
I agree that some base their expectations in this manner, but to say that most do, you need statistics.
If you mean "We need evidence to talk for large groups of people" then I applaud your position of pedantry, this is usually my role within a thread.
Modifié par Gabriel Stelinski, 18 février 2011 - 07:45 .
Gabriel Stelinski wrote...
Ziggeh wrote...
How about the large amount of popular fantasy and historical fiction in comparison to the relatively rare use and display of medieval weaponry? It's a leap to suggest the majority of people have a good deal more exposure to the former than the latter?Gabriel Stelinski wrote...
"Most"? How did you come to that conclusion?
"Some"... maybe. "Most"... you need something to back that up.
How about the hundreds of movies?
How many historical or medieval-fantasy movies do you remember had anything other than normal looking swords?
How about Lord of the Rings? How many huge, thick swords were in that movie? What did Aragorn's sword look like?
Like this?
kane442 wrote...
some people like real lookinh swords ...some like high fantacy ...just leave it at that
That is a standard longsword.Gabriel Stelinski wrote...
Ziggeh wrote...
How about the large amount of popular fantasy and historical fiction in comparison to the relatively rare use and display of medieval weaponry? It's a leap to suggest the majority of people have a good deal more exposure to the former than the latter?Gabriel Stelinski wrote...
"Most"? How did you come to that conclusion?
"Some"... maybe. "Most"... you need something to back that up.
How about the hundreds of movies?
How many historical or medieval-fantasy movies do you remember had anything other than normal looking swords?
How about Lord of the Rings? How many huge, thick swords were in that movie? What did Aragorn's sword look like?
Like this?
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