DA Trap Star wrote...
Only thing I have a issue with is the pommel size, it looks completely fake the way she's holding it.
Modifié par Avalla'ch, 10 février 2011 - 06:10 .
I'm confident BioWare employs competent modellers.ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Addonay is a damn good modeller. I never said it was impossible, just harder.
They said it would be tactically important for the player to know what types of weapons were being used during combat. With the high-angle tactical camera, they said they thought that smaller weapons would be too hard to see and tell apart, so they made the weapons bigger to allow players to make those supposedly important distinctions even when using the high-angle tactical camera.Out of curiosity (because I didn't pay much attention to these forums when I was playing Origins), what WAS the problem that this was intended to address?
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
They said it would be tactically important for the player to know what types of weapons were being used during combat. With the high-angle tactical camera, they said they thought that smaller weapons would be too hard to see and tell apart, so they made the weapons bigger to allow players to make those supposedly important distinctions even when using the high-angle tactical camera.
DA2 doesn't have a high-angle tactical camera. Therefore, the justification for the large weapons is gone.
Now, the loss of the tactical camera appears to have come fairly late in development. They were still toying with the idea some months ago, so perhaps they left the weapons large to accommodate the camera, and then didn't want to redo all the models and animations for smaller weapons once the camera feature was cut.
But again, that's a decent explanation. I'd like to hear it. I can come up with all sorts of reasons - good reasons - why they might have made this decision. And if they did ultimately do it just because "big swords are über", that tells me a lot about their design philosophy, and I can draw conclusions based on that.
I'm not asking about swords just because I care about the swords.
As for the quality of the models, of course BioWare employs competent modelers. But in just about every heavily-moddable game I've played in the past quite-a-few years, the content the community is capable of pushing out is simply a lot better. And there are a bunch of reasons that that could be true, but that's just the way modded games seem to be. There's a lot of drivel, a lot of mods that just add a chest at the starting area full of gold and l33t items, and there's Wrye Bash (which is a utility, not a mod, but it's a wonderful example of just what players can do with a game).
Modifié par Yrkoon, 10 février 2011 - 06:28 .
Saibh wrote...
MoogleNut wrote...
Or it could be so big and awesome because Varric is y'know, exagerating?
Just sayin'
Exaggeration is not the answer to everything. Swords appear to be the same size--or slightly larger than DAO two-handed swords.
That said.
You see this guy?
It's a bit taller than he is. I don't know his height. But there are other images a few pages back whether the swords are of comparable size.
The sword is taller than he is. Now compare this:
It's taller than she is by a tiny margin. Bearing in mind that she is both shorter than the male models and bending her knees.
Yrkoon wrote...
For everyone basing their judgements on the one picture of lady hawke wielding a 2h sword.... have you seen the Champion trailer? Say... about 25 seconds in?
that's a good damn reason they could wield such weapons
...so, I'm the only one that actually looked at this then.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
http://www.thearma.o...ssays/2HGS.html
Modifié par Ecaiki, 10 février 2011 - 06:53 .
TheMadCat wrote...
That's a prop or decoration, not an actual sword that would be used for combat. First off guards were never designed that wide, it's impractical as it imbalances the weapon and is excessive in it's roles of protecting the hands (Which is unnecessary for that style of sword seeing as they should have a hand above the guard) and prevent the users hands from sliding up the blade. The second is the grip which is way to long, again creating an imbalance in the weapon, the longest grips were at most 8 or 9 inches, that if he's my height looks like it's approaching 2 feet., imagine trying to swing that sword with one hand under the guard and the other on the ricasso, the pommel be smashing into your sides. Third is the ricasso, it also looks a bit long, those thing's usually weren't much longer then what was necessary to grip because it also allowed a spot for an opponent to grab.
So yeah, that looks more like a weapon that a collector had made. The longest great swords were about 5 feet in total length.
The hilt does seem to be very large, but I think they're accomodating for the hilts of other two-handed weapons, like axes and hammers. I'm not trying to say they made an accurate likeness of a two-handed greatsword. I'm just saying it's not gargantuan.Modifié par Saibh, 10 février 2011 - 07:47 .
Ryzaki wrote...
Aren't SOLDIERS genetically enhanced?
So that's a good damn reason they could wield such weapons.
Jaduggar wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
A designer can make a gun with the barrel on the other end and tell me it's a sensible and usefull weapon in his world. But he really shouldn't expect me to take his world or him seriously anymore after that.
You are alternating the core mechanics of the gun.
This does not compare and therefore is not what this thread is about.
Such an argument is irrelevant and fallacious.
A sword of whatever dimensions would mostly be impractical in reality due to its weight (for all I know); in DA2, however, the combat is much more exaggerated than reality--just as backflips are now a tactical battle move, weight will factor into (most likely) very little.
Doesn't it stand to reason that the sword could still be efficient in this world?
Yrkoon wrote...
Width and Depth are the 2 others.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Scale has 3 dimensions. Length is only one of them.
Spit out your argument now. is it your contention that the sword we're looking at could be fatter and wider than Lady Hawke, and therefore, the very CLEAR cut and paste scaling in the picture above is not accurate?
Yeah, whatever. Your argument fizzled and died the moment it was pointed out that Lady Hawkes sword is no bigger than any of the 2-h swords in Origins. So now you're trying to put up the 3d argument, while assuming that the rest of us wouldn't be able to understand the nature of 3 dimensional images... or be able to cite them in DA:O *and* DA:2. (yes, DA2. would you like to see video of Male Hawke wielding a 2 handed sword in DA2?).
ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
1varangian wrote...
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Any picture of a real sword just reminds you that the hilts aren't as thick as the baseball bats stuck on the DA2 blades. There's more to the scale than just length.
Have you ever done any 3D modeling? It's just easier to work with things when they're a little thicker. Easier to show off the textures, easier to actually design the texture to begin with, etc. It just looks better.
Modifié par nightcobra8928, 11 février 2011 - 09:39 .
Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 11 février 2011 - 09:57 .
Int the Dragon Age settign swords are bigger and can be twirled around easily despite their weight. Why? Because it looks cool. No rationals. No need to have them. 'Tis Fantasy.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Some videos showing the scale, speed and usage of a two-hander (and more):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iocF2QmyoGo&playnext=1&list=PL00104C3BAAE13D0F
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hfLZozBVpM
interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rqP1F36EMY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tqwt_dh3PA&feature=related
nightcobra8928 wrote...
chill down, the swords will stay the way they look, i very much like them that way so i don't have a problem with them.
if you're so adamant about this there's 3 ways to go about it, just use mods if you get the pc version, don't use swords and use another kind of weapon like mauls, or just deal with it.
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