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[ShadyKat]

Morning808 wrote...

untoldsarcasm wrote...

Morning808 wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

Morning808 wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

Game has enough humans in it, did we will need another? I liked Anders, and have no problem with him making the sequel. But did the DLC have to be a human scottish prince? Sigrun should have made it over him.

wait thats right! Where is the female darwf of the party??? They keep excluding them!

 It's not just that, but my only true knock on Bioware is that many of their games lack diversity. Most of the cast in their games are 85% human, and of those humans 95% are caucasian. I was hoping that in this game we would see a much more diverse cast, since it's taking place in the Free Marches, which is described as a 'Melting Pot".

Well many of their games they always state that the biggest race is humans so that might be why. And having diffrent human races would be a bit hard to do since people take offence very easily or find the character stupid (Think Jacob from ME2), its safer to just to put the race that people rarely get offened and not have to deal with a stupid useless backlash (Like the transformers 2 movie)

Are you honestly suggesting they keep all characters white/predominantly white to avoid people airing their sometimes extremely valid concerns about how different races are portrayed. Do you not understand how ignorant and offensive that is? 

Lol I never stated that at all. And I also think that they should put diffrent races of human out there but see Jacob in ME2 I think BioWare is doing it carefuly.They don't want to offend people. But also since DA is more of a midevil theme there wouldn't be much of diffrent races since the midevil theme is based off of European history.

Don't want to get this thread too far of topic but to say that Bioware is being careful is crazy. If I'm not mistaken there has been only 2 black characters as party members in  all of Bioware games combined.  Bindo from KOTOR, and Jacob ME2. I doubt it has anything  to do with racism, or fear of not knowing how to write black characters. It's just something that is being overlooked.

As for Dragon Age being set in medieval times, it is also set on a different planet, where I think different rule apply. The devs could play with the lore as much as they like. The description of the Free Marches are much more like America, then ancient Europe which Fereldon is suppose to be like.

Modifié par ShadyKat, 10 février 2011 - 07:53 .

[ShadyKat]

Face of Evil wrote...

Guys, GUYS! Before you complain about why Sigrun isn't in DA2, maybe you should ask why she SHOULD be in DA2. It's not necessarily about maintaining some convoluted demographic ratio.

Why would Sigrun be in Kirkwall? What would she be doing there? Why would she work with Hawke?

There's no reason for her to be in the sequel. Her story was neatly wrapped up in Awakening. She joins the Grey Wardens, comes to term with her purpose as a member of the Legion of the Dead, and either heads down into the Deep Roads or hangs out on the surface for a while.

There really is nothing more to say with Sigrun. In fact, you'd be doing her a disservice by just randomly plopping her in the middle of the sequel with nothing to do.

True, but the same can be said about Anders and Justice. Sigrun could have chose to stay on the surface and be a Grey Warden, since she's more likely to help people fighting Dark Spawn, then she would in the Deep Roads. Also all of her clan is dead, while I know she's dead sort to speck, it doesn't mean working with the Warden didn't open up her eyes to see that there is more to be done in the world.

Modifié par ShadyKat, 10 février 2011 - 08:01 .

[Kronaras]

We have both anders and justice (who has become vengeance) as one char? isnt that cool? 2 in 1? But why do the healers have a spirit inside them? First wynne, now anders.

[iamnar]

i really hope we have to face a choice where we will have to kill a companion. if that is so, then i'm happy anders is in the game...he is lame and whiny...

[AK3Hiker]

I enjoyed Sigrun but mostly for her interaction with Ohgren. (but who didn't love Ohgren's interaction with *anyone*) I enjoyed Anders also but I hope they keep enough of his dialog (for the most part) snarky/comical.

[packardbell]

Ageed, Sigrun is an awesome character. However she was quite suicidal

[Zeldias]

ShadyKat wrote...

Morning808 wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

Morning808 wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

Game has enough humans in it, did we will need another? I liked Anders, and have no problem with him making the sequel. But did the DLC have to be a human scottish prince? Sigrun should have made it over him.

wait thats right! Where is the female darwf of the party??? They keep excluding them!

 It's not just that, but my only true knock on Bioware is that many of their games lack diversity. Most of the cast in their games are 85% human, and of those humans 95% are caucasian. I was hoping that in this game we would see a much more diverse cast, since it's taking place in the Free Marches, which is described as a 'Melting Pot".

Well many of their games they always state that the biggest race is humans so that might be why. And having diffrent human races would be a bit hard to do since people take offence very easily or find the character stupid (Think Jacob from ME2), its safer to just to put the race that people rarely get offened and not have to deal with a stupid useless backlash (Like the transformers 2 movie)

I disagree.
Also I thought Jacob was fine, a tad bit boring, but not a guy I would say I hated. Also is it hard to write people of color without using stupid stereotypes. Bay made that mistake in both Transformers movies with Jazz (who was my favorite character in the 80's series, and he was butchered in the movie) and the twin in Transformers 2.



As for most of the cast being human, I never really got why this happens. I know the player relates to humans, and that's fine if you make the lead one. But does the entire cast also have to be human as well? I love fantasy and sci fi for the races, and species we don't get to see a lot of. I for one was hoping for more fantasy races to be introduced in DA2. Maybe centaurs, Gnolls, Minotaurs, Cyclops. Some races that are almost never used in games like this.

Why would it be hard? Write a character, then color her/him brown. I don't get what's hard about that. For example: write Anders, make Anders have dark skin. BOOM.

The only difficulty with writing people of color is latent/blatant racism, both of which were celebrated in Transformers.

[Skilled Seeker]

MalcolmM wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...



Can someone answer my question?

David Gaider has said that if the devs want to bring back a character who has died in a previous game they will do so.

Whats that supposed to mean? I don't mind him coming back in the standard story and for save files that have him alive. But if he died in the save file, then he shouldn't come back. Retcons like this destroy the whole point of giving gamers choices with consequences that Bioware tries to sell with it's games.

[Morning808]

Zeldias wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

Morning808 wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

Morning808 wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

Game has enough humans in it, did we will need another? I liked Anders, and have no problem with him making the sequel. But did the DLC have to be a human scottish prince? Sigrun should have made it over him.

wait thats right! Where is the female darwf of the party??? They keep excluding them!

 It's not just that, but my only true knock on Bioware is that many of their games lack diversity. Most of the cast in their games are 85% human, and of those humans 95% are caucasian. I was hoping that in this game we would see a much more diverse cast, since it's taking place in the Free Marches, which is described as a 'Melting Pot".

Well many of their games they always state that the biggest race is humans so that might be why. And having diffrent human races would be a bit hard to do since people take offence very easily or find the character stupid (Think Jacob from ME2), its safer to just to put the race that people rarely get offened and not have to deal with a stupid useless backlash (Like the transformers 2 movie)

I disagree.
Also I thought Jacob was fine, a tad bit boring, but not a guy I would say I hated. Also is it hard to write people of color without using stupid stereotypes. Bay made that mistake in both Transformers movies with Jazz (who was my favorite character in the 80's series, and he was butchered in the movie) and the twin in Transformers 2.



As for most of the cast being human, I never really got why this happens. I know the player relates to humans, and that's fine if you make the lead one. But does the entire cast also have to be human as well? I love fantasy and sci fi for the races, and species we don't get to see a lot of. I for one was hoping for more fantasy races to be introduced in DA2. Maybe centaurs, Gnolls, Minotaurs, Cyclops. Some races that are almost never used in games like this.

Why would it be hard? Write a character, then color her/him brown. I don't get what's hard about that. For example: write Anders, make Anders have dark skin. BOOM.

The only difficulty with writing people of color is latent/blatant racism, both of which were celebrated in Transformers.

Then that Anders is not really Black...this sounds bad but nothing of anders is black and you would tell and people would most likely get offened. Now if you were talking about writing Anders as a Black character that is what we were talking about and how its hard to write one without offending someone.

Now lets get off this topic since this is way off topic and not something we should be talking about anyways

Modifié par Morning808, 10 février 2011 - 10:11 .

[TheTraina]

because anders was a lot of fun. did like him much more than sigrun. never got warm with her.

[JasonPogo]

To the people that said you can't use Sigrun since her ending has her going to the deep roads. Well both Anders and Justice had endings that put them in tottaly dif places that have nothing to do with Kirkwall. Bioware seems fine with pissing all over out choices why not use that to our advantige and give us fun characters.

[anzurose]

If you think about it, every character has fans that would like to see them come back, so I hardly think that factors into the decision. It all comes down to who has a story that the creators want to tell :/



(not to mention, I get the feeling they wanted Isabella to come back from early on, so they've already got a duel-wielding rogue)

[surfgirlusa_2006]

From the looks of it, we're going to have mage/templar clashes in this game, and I do think it will be a major plot point. Anders with his Circle hate fits neatly into this storyline. Sigrun really doesn't.



That's my theory, anyway.

[lovgreno]

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

The Elite Elite wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

What? Do you have a hard time accepting that some of us like short women?

No i have a hard time accepting some of you like Short,chubby,Greasy haired women with Face tatoos that resemble burns and nose the size of Russia.

Also wears Armor ussually covering any of her womanly stuff, But maybe thats for the better.

Short stature and big nosed women can be attractive.  Dwarves are not chubby, just widely built (curves and muscles are nice). She did not have greasy hair. Heavy armour is sexy. I don't have to see everything almost hanging out of skimpy outfits to find a woman atractive.
Yes she does not look like the more sterotyped female beauties like Leliana and Morrigan (and nothing wrong with their looks of course). That doesn't have to be a bad thing. I fact variation is nice.
Too many generic looking humans in this game already, so more dwarves would be nice.

Modifié par lovgreno, 11 février 2011 - 05:02 .

[kirkonacid]

'Cause the ladies love him.

[HTTP 404]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anders has a story to tell in Dragon Age 2 with the mage / templar war.

better story tie in.

Sigrun would be great if the story took place mostly in the deep roads and with dwarven culture.  also Sigrun as an LI? whatever floats your boat man.

[London]

I'm fairly anti-dwarf but didn't mind Sigrun as a companion. I do think DA spent way too much time in Dwarvern areas - I hope they never make a game focused on them.



I'm in the "whatever floats your boat" crowd about Dwarf love interests; I'll just never understand that attraction no matter how hard I try.

[Felfenix]

Anders fits in really well with the story of DA2, though I do agree Sigrun is awesome and I would have loved to see her too.

[Cutlass Jack]

HTTP 404 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anders has a story to tell in Dragon Age 2 with the mage / templar war.

better story tie in.

Sigrun would be great if the story took place mostly in the deep roads and with dwarven culture.  also Sigrun as an LI? whatever floats your boat man.

Well the Deep Roads is the first location mentioned in the world section on the DA2 site.

[HTTP 404]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anders has a story to tell in Dragon Age 2 with the mage / templar war.

better story tie in.

Sigrun would be great if the story took place mostly in the deep roads and with dwarven culture.  also Sigrun as an LI? whatever floats your boat man.

Well the Deep Roads is the first location mentioned in the world section on the DA2 site.

that may be true, but I meant as it relates to the central plot.  From what we know the central plot revolves around mages and the chantry.

[untoldsarcasm]

Morning808 wrote...

Zeldias wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

Morning808 wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

Morning808 wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

Game has enough humans in it, did we will need another? I liked Anders, and have no problem with him making the sequel. But did the DLC have to be a human scottish prince? Sigrun should have made it over him.

wait thats right! Where is the female darwf of the party??? They keep excluding them!

 It's not just that, but my only true knock on Bioware is that many of their games lack diversity. Most of the cast in their games are 85% human, and of those humans 95% are caucasian. I was hoping that in this game we would see a much more diverse cast, since it's taking place in the Free Marches, which is described as a 'Melting Pot".

Well many of their games they always state that the biggest race is humans so that might be why. And having diffrent human races would be a bit hard to do since people take offence very easily or find the character stupid (Think Jacob from ME2), its safer to just to put the race that people rarely get offened and not have to deal with a stupid useless backlash (Like the transformers 2 movie)

I disagree.
Also I thought Jacob was fine, a tad bit boring, but not a guy I would say I hated. Also is it hard to write people of color without using stupid stereotypes. Bay made that mistake in both Transformers movies with Jazz (who was my favorite character in the 80's series, and he was butchered in the movie) and the twin in Transformers 2.



As for most of the cast being human, I never really got why this happens. I know the player relates to humans, and that's fine if you make the lead one. But does the entire cast also have to be human as well? I love fantasy and sci fi for the races, and species we don't get to see a lot of. I for one was hoping for more fantasy races to be introduced in DA2. Maybe centaurs, Gnolls, Minotaurs, Cyclops. Some races that are almost never used in games like this.

Why would it be hard? Write a character, then color her/him brown. I don't get what's hard about that. For example: write Anders, make Anders have dark skin. BOOM.

The only difficulty with writing people of color is latent/blatant racism, both of which were celebrated in Transformers.

Then that Anders is not really Black...this sounds bad but nothing of anders is black and you would tell and people would most likely get offened. Now if you were talking about writing Anders as a Black character that is what we were talking about and how its hard to write one without offending someone.

Now lets get off this topic since this is way off topic and not something we should be talking about anyways

What are you saying? I didn't realise that character traits make a person 'not black'. Silly me thought that it was a person's skin colour that determined that. It sounds like you just don't want to steer away from stereotypes. Newflash: you'll find all kinds of personalities within all races. 

And going back to your reply to me earlier... I think that you'll find that many things in Dragon Age are not realistic to medieval Europe, so that excuse for the absence of non-white characters is not a strong one. It's a fantasy setting that is only loosely based on past realities, so there's no reason for it when 'reality' is so clearly dismissed in certain other areas. 

Modifié par untoldsarcasm, 11 février 2011 - 10:04 .

[BudaKhan]

You want diversity? Go make your own game and quit whining.

[untoldsarcasm]

BudaKhan wrote...

You want diversity? Go make your own game and quit whining.

I wish I was surprised by such a dismissive response. 

Modifié par untoldsarcasm, 11 février 2011 - 02:45 .

[Cutlass Jack]

HTTP 404 wrote...

that may be true, but I meant as it relates to the central plot.  From what we know the central plot revolves around mages and the chantry.

One could equally argue that the plot revolved around the characters who's story they wanted to tell, rather than the reverse. So if they went with Sigrun over Anders, the Deep roads might be even more relevant.

I'm fairly certain that Anders isn't there because of his relevance to the central plot as much as the writers having a specific story they wanted to tell for him...and because he's fun to write.

[FDrage]

anzurose wrote...

(not to mention, I get the feeling they wanted Isabella to come back from early on, so they've already got a duel-wielding rogue)

Probably quiet true ... unfortunate (from my point of few of possible returning main characters) ... but it probably wouldn't make too muhc sense of having two many of 1 class trype around.