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[sanadawarrior]

Inarborat wrote...

sanadawarrior wrote...

3 pages and no one has actually answered the question? The reason they stopped taking pre-orders for the signature edition 2 months in advance is because they are only making as many signature editions as they have pre-orders for. Since manufacturing takes time they had to have an order in advance for how many signature editions they needed, hence the cut off.

Why not do it like Shale/Zaeed?  I don't care about a silly mirror or dog or overpowered weapons but I get a little annoyed when I have to shell out an extra $7 on launch day. 

It's nice some customers are getting their Signature Editions canceled.  EA can't even do a pre-order properly.

Why not do it like Shale/Zaeed? Because that was their decision to make. How am I suposed to know why they decided on doing a limited run pre-order only collectors edition. I was just explaining why there was a 2 month cut off.

[BTCentral]

Snickl88 wrote...

From what I remember about economics, they are meant to supply what we demand, not supply what ever the hell they like.

Supply and demand works both ways, and EA can afford to pull things like this.

[Snickl88]

BTCentral wrote...

Snickl88 wrote...

From what I remember about economics, they are meant to supply what we demand, not supply what ever the hell they like.

Supply and demand works both ways, and EA can afford to pull things like this.

I know, and it makes me a sad panda:crying:

[mystupidmouth]

The Signature Edition is a reward for people who keep up with the development of the game, and are willing to put their money down in advance to get it. Plain and Simple.

[sanadawarrior]

Snickl88 wrote...


I make the argument that I am upset that I am placed in the position, no about what I chose. In fact, I made no choice on the matter, having misunderstood the Jan 11th deadline. I am upset that Bioware are turning the collecters edition into a marketing ploy, and we as consumers have to either like it or lump it. From what I remember about economics, they are meant to supply what we demand, not supply what ever the hell they like.

They are supplying what we demand. There were x pre orders for the signature edition and they will make x of them. In fact previous collectors editions where they estimated however many they should make is alot closer to supplying what ever the hell they like...

[Cuthlan]

Snickl88 wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...
Those of us who preordered early don't feel bad for you because we never looked at preordering early as any kind of gamble or risk, so we think you have no one to blame for the situation but yourself.

But if it stops the crying... feel bad for ya bro.

Sooooo..... I raised the issue that some of the previous posters where rather uncaring to the plight of individuals who didn't want to be forced to choose between gambling on the game and not paying for DLC, or not and paying for it at launch. You reply by calling me a cry baby, and stating that you never saw it as a gamble. Well, good for you, you must be one of the faithfull.
Also, that dot you wizzed past on your way to the 'reply' button was the point, in case you where wondering.

I make the argument that I am upset that I am placed in the position, no about what I chose. In fact, I made no choice on the matter, having misunderstood the Jan 11th deadline. I am upset that Bioware are turning the collecters edition into a marketing ploy, and we as consumers have to either like it or lump it. From what I remember about economics, they are meant to supply what we demand, not supply what ever the hell they like.

So in the post I replied to, YOU brought up the gamble on preordering the game without proper reviews and whatnot. Now you say that you didn't make a choice, because you misunderstood the deadline.

Let's go with that now. If you misunderstand the release date of a game, do you get upset that you aren't given the preorder bonuses?

[Snickl88]

mystupidmouth wrote...

The Signature Edition is a reward for people who keep up with the development of the game, and are willing to put their money down in advance to get it. Plain and Simple.

OK. Yes, it is plain and simple. Is it smart or right? No. No it is not. It is a marketing technique that excludes a portion of the consumer base, in favor of getting as many people buying the game on full price on release day as possible. No pre-owned, no rentals, only full price new. They want all the money from their product, and that's great. Really, I am behind that 100%, but there are better ways of going about it!
Make the game good, for one. Bioware has a loyal fanbase (of which I consider myself a member) who will always buy their games, and promote them to their friends. You can't buy that kind of publicity or marketing, so use it! Make a game your fans will show off and promote themselves, and that is good enough that new commers will be enticed into buying! You don't need to trick your customers, or make them choose to buy a game in Jan when it comes out in March. Just make the game good, and trust that the gamers will see it's good and buy it.
Half the arguments I see for piracy are based on the marketing stratagies of companies (see Activision's dealings with Troika), so why give them the ammo?

IMHO, the sig edition should be available to all who want it. Like the collecters edition was with Origins. If it was good enough back then, whats changed? And if companies like CDProject can trust their fans, why can't EA/Bioware?

[cobpot1]

i just got to say that i pre ordered the SE edition (yay) an tbh if ya didnt preorder due to ignorance then cry on your own your wasting bandwidth.

[Cuthlan]

Snickl88 wrote...

mystupidmouth wrote...

The Signature Edition is a reward for people who keep up with the development of the game, and are willing to put their money down in advance to get it. Plain and Simple.

OK. Yes, it is plain and simple. Is it smart or right? No. No it is not. It is a marketing technique that excludes a portion of the consumer base, in favor of getting as many people buying the game on full price on release day as possible. No pre-owned, no rentals, only full price new. They want all the money from their product, and that's great. Really, I am behind that 100%, but there are better ways of going about it!
Make the game good, for one. Bioware has a loyal fanbase (of which I consider myself a member) who will always buy their games, and promote them to their friends. You can't buy that kind of publicity or marketing, so use it! Make a game your fans will show off and promote themselves, and that is good enough that new commers will be enticed into buying! You don't need to trick your customers, or make them choose to buy a game in Jan when it comes out in March. Just make the game good, and trust that the gamers will see it's good and buy it.
Half the arguments I see for piracy are based on the marketing stratagies of companies (see Activision's dealings with Troika), so why give them the ammo?

IMHO, the sig edition should be available to all who want it. Like the collecters edition was with Origins. If it was good enough back then, whats changed? And if companies like CDProject can trust their fans, why can't EA/Bioware?

Pretty sure you will be able to purchase the companion addon as DLC. So all you have missed out on is a few items. The same as missing out on any other preorder bonus.

Oh, and the soundtrack. Which will no doubt be available for purchase later as well. And in the end, the money spent will be similar to spending the extra on a Collector's Edition.

[Thiefy]

so this whole thread boils down to the opening poster being bitter that he missed out?

[sanadawarrior]

Snickl88 wrote...

IMHO, the sig edition should be available to all who want it. Like the collecters edition was with Origins. If it was good enough back then, whats changed? And if companies like CDProject can trust their fans, why can't EA/Bioware?

My guess? Collectors editions are expensive to make, and when they don't sell at full price they take a hit. The fact that you can now buy the DA:O collectors edition for ps3 for 40 bucks is a testament to that and it isn't the only one. You can buy lots of collectors editions from last years games, including Mafia II and Reach heavily discounted. They made far too many and it cost them quite a bit. Making sure that each collectors edition has an owner is probably a way to reduce the costs of unsold collectors editions going for half off or more. This game is probably a trial to test the waters and see how it goes, I would not be surprised if other games also instituted a pre-order only collectors editions in the future.

[Snickl88]

Cuthlan wrote...

Snickl88 wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...
Those of us who preordered early don't feel bad for you because we never looked at preordering early as any kind of gamble or risk, so we think you have no one to blame for the situation but yourself.

But if it stops the crying... feel bad for ya bro.

Sooooo..... I raised the issue that some of the previous posters where rather uncaring to the plight of individuals who didn't want to be forced to choose between gambling on the game and not paying for DLC, or not and paying for it at launch. You reply by calling me a cry baby, and stating that you never saw it as a gamble. Well, good for you, you must be one of the faithfull.
Also, that dot you wizzed past on your way to the 'reply' button was the point, in case you where wondering.

I make the argument that I am upset that I am placed in the position, no about what I chose. In fact, I made no choice on the matter, having misunderstood the Jan 11th deadline. I am upset that Bioware are turning the collecters edition into a marketing ploy, and we as consumers have to either like it or lump it. From what I remember about economics, they are meant to supply what we demand, not supply what ever the hell they like.

So in the post I replied to, YOU brought up the gamble on preordering the game without proper reviews and whatnot. Now you say that you didn't make a choice, because you misunderstood the deadline.

Let's go with that now. If you misunderstand the release date of a game, do you get upset that you aren't given the preorder bonuses?

What? Yeah, I misunderstood the deal with the Jan 11th date. I will say again though, I am not making a case of my own butthurt over missing out on DLC! I making a case against the fact that Bioware are forcing customers to take a gamble! Maybe you don't see it as a gamble, you have faith in Bioware, hell so do I. I was always intending on buying this game, the point is when I was going to buy it. If it was going to be excellent, day one. If it wasn't, wait for the price to drop. Simple as that. But the preorder carrot was put there to remove that choice. And before you start quoting anything else, I am aware I said earlier I would have bought the Sig edition day one, that's because I have now waitied and seen more info on the game.

Please don't put words into my mouth. The fact is, boiling it down to its most basic part, I don't like what Bioware did. Back before the Jan cut off I didn't have all the facts, and now that I do, I am giving my views on them. You want to pull me up on being upset about not having DLC? Well, go ahead, cause I'm not. You want to pull me up on being upset about the marketing stratagy of Bioware, OK, I'll talk with you about that.

[Johnny Shepard]

Yes.You can indeed buy the companion DLC.

As I understand it this was an offer to the fans who pre-order rightaway when they can and doesn't wait untill the last moment, to give thoes fans something extra. It was to give the fans a Collector's Edition that did not cost extra. If they continued having the SE then it would not be special, it would be standard.

[Cuthlan]

Snickl88 wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

Snickl88 wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...
Those of us who preordered early don't feel bad for you because we never looked at preordering early as any kind of gamble or risk, so we think you have no one to blame for the situation but yourself.

But if it stops the crying... feel bad for ya bro.

Sooooo..... I raised the issue that some of the previous posters where rather uncaring to the plight of individuals who didn't want to be forced to choose between gambling on the game and not paying for DLC, or not and paying for it at launch. You reply by calling me a cry baby, and stating that you never saw it as a gamble. Well, good for you, you must be one of the faithfull.
Also, that dot you wizzed past on your way to the 'reply' button was the point, in case you where wondering.

I make the argument that I am upset that I am placed in the position, no about what I chose. In fact, I made no choice on the matter, having misunderstood the Jan 11th deadline. I am upset that Bioware are turning the collecters edition into a marketing ploy, and we as consumers have to either like it or lump it. From what I remember about economics, they are meant to supply what we demand, not supply what ever the hell they like.

So in the post I replied to, YOU brought up the gamble on preordering the game without proper reviews and whatnot. Now you say that you didn't make a choice, because you misunderstood the deadline.

Let's go with that now. If you misunderstand the release date of a game, do you get upset that you aren't given the preorder bonuses?

What? Yeah, I misunderstood the deal with the Jan 11th date. I will say again though, I am not making a case of my own butthurt over missing out on DLC! I making a case against the fact that Bioware are forcing customers to take a gamble! Maybe you don't see it as a gamble, you have faith in Bioware, hell so do I. I was always intending on buying this game, the point is when I was going to buy it. If it was going to be excellent, day one. If it wasn't, wait for the price to drop. Simple as that. But the preorder carrot was put there to remove that choice. And before you start quoting anything else, I am aware I said earlier I would have bought the Sig edition day one, that's because I have now waitied and seen more info on the game.

Please don't put words into my mouth. The fact is, boiling it down to its most basic part, I don't like what Bioware did. Back before the Jan cut off I didn't have all the facts, and now that I do, I am giving my views on them. You want to pull me up on being upset about not having DLC? Well, go ahead, cause I'm not. You want to pull me up on being upset about the marketing stratagy of Bioware, OK, I'll talk with you about that.

As was brought up a few days ago in one of these threads, there is no gamble. Preorders online do not require any money whatsoever, and can be cancelled if you don't like where the game is heading.

There was no gamble.

Modifié par Cuthlan, 10 février 2011 - 03:15 .

[BBK4114]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...
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Although to be fair EA/Bioware did set a little bit of an artificial cap for it, I still dont quite understand why they wouldnt still offer the SE for $70 on preorder, and "free upgrade" was limited to Jan 11, but I'm not in their office so who knows

EA will squeeze & push Bioware to make more & more & more money.  Why are they releasing it way before original plans?  EA.   I imagine Bioware is sweating bullets trying to put out a relatively bug-free game months before schedule.  But EA is all about the $$.  And unfortunately NOT about quality. 

So sad.  

 

[Snickl88]

sanadawarrior wrote...

Snickl88 wrote...

IMHO, the sig edition should be available to all who want it. Like the collecters edition was with Origins. If it was good enough back then, whats changed? And if companies like CDProject can trust their fans, why can't EA/Bioware?

My guess? Collectors editions are expensive to make, and when they don't sell at full price they take a hit. The fact that you can now buy the DA:O collectors edition for ps3 for 40 bucks is a testament to that and it isn't the only one. You can buy lots of collectors editions from last years games, including Mafia II and Reach heavily discounted. They made far too many and it cost them quite a bit. Making sure that each collectors edition has an owner is probably a way to reduce the costs of unsold collectors editions going for half off or more. This game is probably a trial to test the waters and see how it goes, I would not be surprised if other games also instituted a pre-order only collectors editions in the future.

That's a fair point, well made. Still, it's not like we're getting anything like nightvision or RC cars in it, all the extras are DLC

[Cloaking_Thane]

sanadawarrior wrote...

Snickl88 wrote...

IMHO, the sig edition should be available to all who want it. Like the collecters edition was with Origins. If it was good enough back then, whats changed? And if companies like CDProject can trust their fans, why can't EA/Bioware?

My guess? Collectors editions are expensive to make, and when they don't sell at full price they take a hit. The fact that you can now buy the DA:O collectors edition for ps3 for 40 bucks is a testament to that and it isn't the only one. You can buy lots of collectors editions from last years games, including Mafia II and Reach heavily discounted. They made far too many and it cost them quite a bit. Making sure that each collectors edition has an owner is probably a way to reduce the costs of unsold collectors editions going for half off or more. This game is probably a trial to test the waters and see how it goes, I would not be surprised if other games also instituted a pre-order only collectors editions in the future.

agree 100% with this, almost positive this is the logic behind it.

[sanadawarrior]

Snickl88 wrote...

sanadawarrior wrote...

Snickl88 wrote...

IMHO, the sig edition should be available to all who want it. Like the collecters edition was with Origins. If it was good enough back then, whats changed? And if companies like CDProject can trust their fans, why can't EA/Bioware?

My guess? Collectors editions are expensive to make, and when they don't sell at full price they take a hit. The fact that you can now buy the DA:O collectors edition for ps3 for 40 bucks is a testament to that and it isn't the only one. You can buy lots of collectors editions from last years games, including Mafia II and Reach heavily discounted. They made far too many and it cost them quite a bit. Making sure that each collectors edition has an owner is probably a way to reduce the costs of unsold collectors editions going for half off or more. This game is probably a trial to test the waters and see how it goes, I would not be surprised if other games also instituted a pre-order only collectors editions in the future.

That's a fair point, well made. Still, it's not like we're getting anything like nightvision or RC cars in it, all the extras are DLC

That is why I believe this is a trial run, they start with the dlc only and see if the response is mostly positive and then move on to collectors editions with more physical bonuses...

[Cuthlan]

Snickl88 wrote...

sanadawarrior wrote...

Snickl88 wrote...

IMHO, the sig edition should be available to all who want it. Like the collecters edition was with Origins. If it was good enough back then, whats changed? And if companies like CDProject can trust their fans, why can't EA/Bioware?

My guess? Collectors editions are expensive to make, and when they don't sell at full price they take a hit. The fact that you can now buy the DA:O collectors edition for ps3 for 40 bucks is a testament to that and it isn't the only one. You can buy lots of collectors editions from last years games, including Mafia II and Reach heavily discounted. They made far too many and it cost them quite a bit. Making sure that each collectors edition has an owner is probably a way to reduce the costs of unsold collectors editions going for half off or more. This game is probably a trial to test the waters and see how it goes, I would not be surprised if other games also instituted a pre-order only collectors editions in the future.

That's a fair point, well made. Still, it's not like we're getting anything like nightvision or RC cars in it, all the extras are DLC

And the only DLC of significance will be available for purchase after release. The items are preorder fluff, and losing them is no different than not preordering another game before the release date and not getting preorder bonuses.

You did not lose out on the major DLC. You just don't get it for free now.

Modifié par Cuthlan, 10 février 2011 - 03:18 .

[Snickl88]

Cuthlan wrote...

As was brought up a few days ago in one of these threads, there is no gamble. Preorders online do not require any money whatsoever, and can be cancelled if you don't like where the game is heading.

There was no gamble.

Making the choice between buying at full price day one due to preorder goodies, or waiting for a price drop and paying for DLC later is a common practice. It can boil down to how much value you put on the game, ie; how good it is. Preordering months in advanced removes the time it takes to make an informed choice, therefore you are making a choice without hard facts to help you. Therefore, you are choosing based on nothing more than your own instincts.

Sounds like a gamble to me, but hell, what do I know?

[Atalegus]

mgs00 wrote...

....They cut off the pre orders TWO MONTHS before release....I would've pre ordered tommorow but not any more when I will be paying for a game with less content.

yeah you should totally not buy this game, I mean no matter what youll get less content... oh and dont buy any other games either.

[Para Pett]

Snickl88 wrote...

So the free stuff was only available before any reviewers had gotten their hands on the game, before any clear info about the story, characters, changes and upgrades about the game came to light, and I was just supposed to take a gamble that I would want to play DA2?
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Erm, what stopped you from pre-ordering it, just incase it lived up to expectations, but even if it didn't, you know, you could always have cancelled your pre-order, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain in this situation.

[John Epler]

shumworld wrote...

I remember it was mentioned that you also get a discount for future DLC on DA2.

This is not true.

[Cuthlan]

Snickl88 wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

As was brought up a few days ago in one of these threads, there is no gamble. Preorders online do not require any money whatsoever, and can be cancelled if you don't like where the game is heading.

There was no gamble.

Making the choice between buying at full price day one due to preorder goodies, or waiting for a price drop and paying for DLC later is a common practice. It can boil down to how much value you put on the game, ie; how good it is. Preordering months in advanced removes the time it takes to make an informed choice, therefore you are making a choice without hard facts to help you. Therefore, you are choosing based on nothing more than your own instincts.

Sounds like a gamble to me, but hell, what do I know?

It's not a gamble because if you preorder months in advance and then those hard facts show you things you do not like, you can cancel your preorder without losing a dime.

A gamble carries risk of loss. There was no risk of loss here.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Snickl88 wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

As was brought up a few days ago in one of these threads, there is no gamble. Preorders online do not require any money whatsoever, and can be cancelled if you don't like where the game is heading.

There was no gamble.

Making the choice between buying at full price day one due to preorder goodies, or waiting for a price drop and paying for DLC later is a common practice. It can boil down to how much value you put on the game, ie; how good it is. Preordering months in advanced removes the time it takes to make an informed choice, therefore you are making a choice without hard facts to help you. Therefore, you are choosing based on nothing more than your own instincts.

Sounds like a gamble to me, but hell, what do I know?

You're forgetting that you can cancel pre-orders at no cost to you.