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[Ferretinabun]

I'm rather peeved - I've just completed the game and I think my ending was a bit bugged.
For the first time I did not make Alistair King because I wanted to see what he said at the coronation if not made King. But he just wasn't there at all.
And neither, for that matter, was Arl Eamon. Both just gone.
Does Alistair have a non-King coronation appearance? Or is this a bug and if so, what tripped it?
If I had to guess I suppose it MIGHT have been because we went to see Goldana just before the Landsmeet and I selected the dialogue option to 'harden' him. But I never had the second conversation which then 'sets' his hardened personality. Perhaps there are two non-King coronation Alistairs - one for hardened and one for non-hardened, and by not fully setting the hardened trait, he was therefore stuck in limbo???
Just a guess.
No idea about Eamon though. (I could pretend he got squished by the Archdemon. Oh well... )  But I did get the ending slide about him sending Connor off to train as a mage, which I thought you only got if you killed Isolde. But I didn't - I saved both her and Connor.
Very miffed.
Anyone any ideas?

[Zjarcal]

Eamon doesn't show up unless Alistair is king, solo or married (douchebag, after you saved his life).

As for Alistair not showing up, it seems to be a random glitch. It occurred to me on one playthrough as well. Normally he should show up, even if he isn't king.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 10 février 2011 - 07:19 .

[Addai]

So he remained in your party and someone did the DR but he wasn't in the post-coronation chamber at all? Huh. He always is on my Alistair-stays-a-Warden games.

[shatteredstar56]

Zjarcal wrote...

Eamon doesn't show up unless Alistair is king, solo or married (douchebag, after you saved his life).

As for Alistair not showing up, it seems to be a random glitch. It occurred to me on one playthrough as well. Normally he should show up, even if he isn't king.

Same, he didn't show up when Anora was queen, though apparently he returned to his love in the Grey Wardens and left only to build a monument to Duncan.  Strange, I hadn't talked to him the whole game and had romanced Zevran.  

[maxernst]

Addai67 wrote...

So he remained in your party and someone did the DR but he wasn't in the post-coronation chamber at all? Huh. He always is on my Alistair-stays-a-Warden games.

He's always shown up for Anora's coronation in my Wardens stick together games as well, though ending cards telling me that Anora was made uncomfortable by him staying with his love always struck me as a little odd.

[Sarah1281]

Eamon doesn't show up unless Alistair is king, solo or married (douchebag, after you saved his life).

Since Eamon had dialogue in the toolset for Anora being solo queen (about his returning to Redcliffe since Anora had obviously had no use for him), I'd say his not showing up was just a glitch as well.

[Ferretinabun]

Addai67 wrote...

So he remained in your party and someone did the DR but he wasn't in the post-coronation chamber at all? Huh. He always is on my Alistair-stays-a-Warden games.

Yep. I was a male Dalish Elf (Lel romance) and I did the DR.
Have you noticed different non-King coronation Alistairs depending on whether he's been hardened or not?

[Addai]

Ferretinabun wrote...
Have you noticed different non-King coronation Alistairs depending on whether he's been hardened or not?

My only non-hardened game was the very first I played and so long ago I couldn't tell you.  Also I don't have any non-king games where my PC wasn't in a romance with him, so his dialogue would be different anyway ("I'll go where you go, as long as you'll have me".. swoooon!  ).  Someone with a toolset can probably answer this.  I do know Alistair doesn't change visually based on hardening, as Leliana does.

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Eamon doesn't show up unless Alistair is king, solo or married (douchebag, after you saved his life).

Since Eamon had dialogue in the toolset for Anora being solo queen (about his returning to Redcliffe since Anora had obviously had no use for him), I'd say his not showing up was just a glitch as well.

Interesting, I didn't know that. It would also explain why Anora says that Eamon is making signs for her when ending the conversation with the warden.

Addai67 wrote...
I do know Alistair doesn't change visually based on hardening, as Leliana does.

Wait, what? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Zjarcal, 10 février 2011 - 07:44 .

[ejoslin]

I'm going through the code... Eamon will only show up if Alistair is king (either solo or married).

The line about Anora not needing him should trigger if Alistair and Anora are married, but Loghain was spared.

Actually, no I'm wrong about that.  Hmmm, I'll see if I can figure out when it was supposed to trigger.

Edit: I think that line with Eamon saying that Anora doesn't need him will trigger when Alistair was set to be king, but performed died to the archdemon instead.  The condition for Eamon being at the coronation is that Alistair was set to be on the throne (solo, married to Anora, or the player), whether he is alive or dead.  If he died, Anora gives the post-coronation speech, which is the condition needed for Eamon to say that line.

Modifié par ejoslin, 10 février 2011 - 07:49 .

[Corker]

I've had that bug. It was the same game I never got the shriek attack on camp.



I figured the shrieks finally caught up with Alistair.

[Ferretinabun]

Hmmm, interesting. So Anora's line about Eamon gesturing to her is a scriptwriting error then?

[Ferretinabun]

Corker - do you remember if you'd hardened Alistair (both convos) and set him on the throne or not?

[ejoslin]

Ahahahahaha, going through the code, there's this part in there that made me laugh. In the post-coronation scene, with Zevran, if you're in a romance with him with a female, he's supposed to be surrounded by women. If you're in a romance with him with a male, he's supposed to be surrounded by men. If neither, he's talking a shady guy. I do know it works for the female in a romance and if not in a romance.

Leliana, if hardened, is supposed to have men by her. If she's not, a few chantry folks instead.

Modifié par ejoslin, 10 février 2011 - 08:15 .

[Corker]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Corker - do you remember if you'd hardened Alistair (both convos) and set him on the throne or not?

Hm... *checks handy Bioware gamelog!*  Unhardened, not king.

[ejoslin]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Hmmm, interesting. So Anora's line about Eamon gesturing to her is a scriptwriting error then?

no, it's not.  Eamon should be there if Alistair was going to be king but died instead.  And you will get the comment about Anora not needing him.

Modifié par ejoslin, 10 février 2011 - 08:06 .

[ejoslin]

Ooooh, wow, ok, Oghren's dialog IS messed up there. *grin* If he's friendly, he has way better dialog than what is triggering @@  I'll have a fix up in a few!

Edit: The fix to Oghren is up on ZDF's page now, if anyone is interested.

Modifié par ejoslin, 10 février 2011 - 08:21 .

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Ahahahahaha, going through the code, there's this part in there that made me laugh. In the post-coronation scene, with Zevran, if you're in a romance with him with a female, he's supposed to be surrounded by women. If you're in a romance with him with a male, he's supposed to be surrounded by men. If neither, he's talking a shady guy. I do know it works for the female in a romance and if not in a romance.

Yes!!  I noticed this and posted about it once on the Zevran thread, but no one responded so I thought it was just in my head.  LOL  Sneaky devs and their sneaky sneaky ways.

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Ahahahahaha, going through the code, there's this part in there that made me laugh. In the post-coronation scene, with Zevran, if you're in a romance with him with a female, he's supposed to be surrounded by women. If you're in a romance with him with a male, he's supposed to be surrounded by men. If neither, he's talking a shady guy. I do know it works for the female in a romance and if not in a romance.

Yes!!  I noticed this and posted about it once on the Zevran thread, but no one responded so I thought it was just in my head.  LOL  Sneaky devs and their sneaky sneaky ways.

It's not only Zevran.  Alistair's is funny, too.  If he's hardened, he should be surrounded by nobles.  If he's not, women.  I don't think his works though.

Modifié par ejoslin, 10 février 2011 - 08:25 .

[Ferretinabun]

ejoslin wrote...

Ferretinabun wrote...

Hmmm, interesting. So Anora's line about Eamon gesturing to her is a scriptwriting error then?

no, it's not.  Eamon should be there if Alistair was going to be king but died instead.  And you will get the comment about Anora not needing him.

I meant the line from Anora when you speak to her at the coronation. She ends it by claiming to see Eamon gesturing to her - even if he isn't there.
At Eamon's estate, I got Anora and Alistair to agree to marry. But at the Landsmeet I let Alistair execute Loghain, and thus had to chose between Alistair and Anora. I chose Anora. Still got Anora's coronation line about seeing Eamon gesture, but Eamon wasn't there.

[ejoslin]

Ferretinabun wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Ferretinabun wrote...

Hmmm, interesting. So Anora's line about Eamon gesturing to her is a scriptwriting error then?

no, it's not.  Eamon should be there if Alistair was going to be king but died instead.  And you will get the comment about Anora not needing him.

I meant the line from Anora when you speak to her at the coronation. She ends it by claiming to see Eamon gesturing to her - even if he isn't there.
At Eamon's estate, I got Anora and Alistair to agree to marry. But at the Landsmeet I let Alistair execute Loghain, and thus had to chose between Alistair and Anora. I chose Anora. Still got Anora's coronation line about seeing Eamon gesture, but Eamon wasn't there.

Ah, ok, yeh, you're right.  Interesting, because it's clear in the .ncs file that he's not supposed to be there.  but that could be a mistake.  I'm going to make some fixes to that anyway (Cyrion shows up when he shouldn't).  I hate messing with that particular file, though.

[Ferretinabun]

You really should work for Bioware, ejoslin! They should be paying you something at least!

Any ideas on what causes Alistair to disappear, though?

[errant_knight]

Zjarcal wrote...

Eamon doesn't show up unless Alistair is king, solo or married (douchebag, after you saved his life).

As for Alistair not showing up, it seems to be a random glitch. It occurred to me on one playthrough as well. Normally he should show up, even if he isn't king.

I don't see why Eamon would show up. He thought you were supporting his plan, then you pull the rug out from under him at the Landsmeet, pretty much humiliating him and end the Theirin line, something he thinks is important. Why would he show up at the coronation to get his nose rubbed in it? He can accept it (at the time), since there's still the blight to deal with, but he doesn't have to like it. I'm surprised that hardened Alistair shows up if not marrying Anora.

Modifié par errant_knight, 10 février 2011 - 08:37 .

[ejoslin]

Ferretinabun wrote...

You really should work for Bioware, ejoslin! They should be paying you something at least!
Any ideas on what causes Alistair to disappear, though?

Eeeep, work, as a responsibility?  *grin* You sound like my husband now!  (why don't you do this stuff for someone who will PAY you?  Because, dear, then they EXPECT work out of me and it's no longer fun!)

But no, there's no issue in the script here, I don't think.  If Alistair is at the final battle and survived, or if he is married to Anora, he's should be there.  Gah, changing this script is getting more and more tempting.  Just have Eamon there no matter what as Anora does say that, and have Cyrion there only if he survived...  

[Ferretinabun]

Hee hee. Devil on your shoulder...?

One final thing, could you please confirm the conditions for the epilogue slide where Connor is sent away to be trained as a mage and goes to Tevinter, please?